SoulfishHawk
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And I suspect Matt would tell you that himself. It's not even in the same ballpark.
hawkman":pa9wxw58 said:SoulfishHawk":pa9wxw58 said:Yeah, can't take anyone serious who thinks Russ is #15. Just another "fan" who chooses to hate the guy, regardless what has done. He's only the best QB the team has ever had.
That’s a huge insult to Hasselbeck was who could play from the pocket and didn’t panic at the remote some of pressure. Wilson is a better athlete, but has was twice the qb.
hawkman":69dagkro said:Top 5!?!?!? If you meant to say top 15 I agree. Top 5 qb’s can use the middle of the field. Wilson can’t even see the top 5 qb’s over a row of yard gnomes.
SoulfishHawk":1y7ukb18 said:I can't even imagine how good Russ would have been behind that Line that Matt had. And no way in heck Matt makes it thru even half the season w/this line. I loved the guy, he did the best he could w/his talent. But it's not even close really. And not just because I'm a huge Russ fan. Russ does things that very few can do, while running for his life.
Matt, in their better years, had one hell of a line and could just sit in there and do his thing.
hawknation2018":1e5zcfto said:hawkman":1e5zcfto said:Top 5!?!?!? If you meant to say top 15 I agree. Top 5 qb’s can use the middle of the field. Wilson can’t even see the top 5 qb’s over a row of yard gnomes.
Would you mind doing a modicum of research before you post garbage and lies as fact?
According to the NFL's nextgenstats, Russell Wilson was one of the most effective QBs in the NFL on passes over the middle of the field:
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hawkman":3tusctmb said:SoulfishHawk":3tusctmb said:I can't even imagine how good Russ would have been behind that Line that Matt had. And no way in heck Matt makes it thru even half the season w/this line. I loved the guy, he did the best he could w/his talent. But it's not even close really. And not just because I'm a huge Russ fan. Russ does things that very few can do, while running for his life.
Matt, in their better years, had one hell of a line and could just sit in there and do his thing.
The best line in history could not pass protect with Wilson at QB. I really wish more people understood how bad a can make a line work. There is a reason more teams don’t let’s tbeir qb’s go rouge and play sandlot football.
Seymour":1588br50 said:hawkman":1588br50 said:SoulfishHawk":1588br50 said:Yeah, can't take anyone serious who thinks Russ is #15. Just another "fan" who chooses to hate the guy, regardless what has done. He's only the best QB the team has ever had.
That’s a huge insult to Hasselbeck was who could play from the pocket and didn’t panic at the remote some of pressure. Wilson is a better athlete, but has was twice the qb.
Hasselbecks last year here.
12 TDs 17 Int's 3001 yards.
Wilsons last year here.
34 TD's 11 INt's 3983 yards
and lead the team in rushing by over 300 yards.
Looks like Wilson in 3 times the QB in TD's alone based on that stat line.
Show me even 1 stat line that supports your opinion, let alone stating he is twice the QB. :34853_doh:
hawkman":ivsz8vle said:hawknation2018":ivsz8vle said:hawkman":ivsz8vle said:Top 5!?!?!? If you meant to say top 15 I agree. Top 5 qb’s can use the middle of the field. Wilson can’t even see the top 5 qb’s over a row of yard gnomes.
Would you mind doing a modicum of research before you post garbage and lies as fact?
According to the NFL's nextgenstats, Russell Wilson was one of the most effective QBs in the NFL on passes over the middle of the field:
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Those stats don’t account for the hundreds of times he SHOULD HAVE thrown to the middle and instead freaks out and runs into a sack, or out of bounds for a lose.
hawknation2018":1jy91nt3 said:hawkman":1jy91nt3 said:hawknation2018":1jy91nt3 said:hawkman":1jy91nt3 said:Top 5!?!?!? If you meant to say top 15 I agree. Top 5 qb’s can use the middle of the field. Wilson can’t even see the top 5 qb’s over a row of yard gnomes.
Would you mind doing a modicum of research before you post garbage and lies as fact?
According to the NFL's nextgenstats, Russell Wilson was one of the most effective QBs in the NFL on passes over the middle of the field:
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Those stats don’t account for the hundreds of times he SHOULD HAVE thrown to the middle and instead freaks out and runs into a sack, or out of bounds for a lose.
That's just more nonsense by you. Like when you said Russell Wilson's impressive QB rating should be ignored because he doesn't throw the ball away. When in fact, Wilson throws the ball away more than any other QB in the league, except one.
Here are actual facts. Wilson eludes far more pressures than the number that are converted into sacks. He throws the ball away a lot. He has the 2nd fewest passes deflected at the line of scrimmage. And Russell Wilson is one of the best QBs in the NFL on passes over the middle of the field.
Do some research. Stop posting nonsense.
hawkman":tuzm9ixh said:hawknation2018":tuzm9ixh said:hawkman":tuzm9ixh said:hawknation2018":tuzm9ixh said:
Those stats don’t account for the hundreds of times he SHOULD HAVE thrown to the middle and instead freaks out and runs into a sack, or out of bounds for a lose.
That's just more nonsense by you. Like when you said Russell Wilson's impressive QB rating should be ignored because he doesn't throw the ball away. When in fact, Wilson throws the ball away more than any other QB in the league, except one.
Here are actual facts. Wilson eludes far more pressures than the number that are converted into sacks. He throws the ball away a lot. He has the 2nd fewest passes deflected at the line of scrimmage. And Russell Wilson is one of the best QBs in the NFL on passes over the middle of the field.
Do some research. Stop posting nonsense.
Your more than welcome to your opinion.
hawknation2018":2ohvmt7l said:hawkman":2ohvmt7l said:hawknation2018":2ohvmt7l said:hawkman":2ohvmt7l said:Those stats don’t account for the hundreds of times he SHOULD HAVE thrown to the middle and instead freaks out and runs into a sack, or out of bounds for a lose.
That's just more nonsense by you. Like when you said Russell Wilson's impressive QB rating should be ignored because he doesn't throw the ball away. When in fact, Wilson throws the ball away more than any other QB in the league, except one.
Here are actual facts. Wilson eludes far more pressures than the number that are converted into sacks. He throws the ball away a lot. He has the 2nd fewest passes deflected at the line of scrimmage. And Russell Wilson is one of the best QBs in the NFL on passes over the middle of the field.
Do some research. Stop posting nonsense.
Your more than welcome to your opinion.
It's "you're." And you are not entitled to your own facts. Like I said, do some research before you spout off with nonsense that you can't back up.
SoulfishHawk":1df1esn6 said:I think you would be amazed at how many people think he's basically an average player. Makes no sense.
B3ASTxM0D3":1l0q2q69 said:Anyone see Saquon's combine numbers?! The man is an animal. Going to be the league's next best runner and a potential HOF caliber talent.
Let's get back to our peak from a few years ago when we had BEAST MODE running our offense. We need to get into the top 3 at all costs and draft Barkley.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think the Russel Wilson experiment has run its course. At a $15.5mil, the cap hit doesn't match the production anymore, and hes gonna be our best shot at getting into the top three and getting Barkley. You really think the Browns wouldn't jump at the chance to finally solidify their QB spot?! Giants are going to be moving on from Eli soon and could use Russ with the talent they have their they could be a legit playoff contender with him, while we get the best player in the draft. Schneids said we had no untouchables, so why not?
DO WHATEVER IT TAKES. Get it done. Get the browns 1st and 4th and lets get back to the top of the NFC.
That cap hit is going to be much higher soon when he gets his new deal.B3ASTxM0D3":vhb54tqp said:Said it in the GM thread, but absolutely I would do this. Not even close to the 15.5mil cap hit we are paying him.
Trade him to the browns and draft saquon and minkah to finally replace marshawn after all these years and mediocre ass richard sherman.
Sign Kaepergod in the offseason he can do basically all russ can do anyways with at a much lower cost. Come on John get it done