Hawks46":2w2r85wz said:
RolandDeschain":2w2r85wz said:
You guys are making some very dubious assumptions, thinking our receivers would work out well for Peyton's preferred style of passing game, in my opinion.
You're making a lot of dubious assumptions as well.
Our WRs run longer routes. Hell, most of the routes I've seen don't even require our guys to look for the ball inside of 3 seconds. So to say our guys don't get immediate separation is true, but only because we aren't throwing a lot of quick outs and slants where our guys need to get quick space.
Then when you look at the quicker passes to Tate, Baldwin and Miller, they're open, and they're open quickly when they need to be. Tate and Baldwin on slants, and Miller in the holes of the zone. Hell, I've seen Miller catch a few slants and he's open when he does it.
Also, it's an assumption that our guys couldn't get separation in Denver's scheme. You don't know that, and I bet Baldwin would tear it up in Denver playing for Peyton; he is so sudden in and out of his breaks that it's amazing.
Last, you don't need freakin 3 yards of space in the NFL, and you rarely get it anyways. Guys are getting open at times and Russ is missing them. Sometimes it's due to pressure, and sometimes it's due to him being a 2nd year QB in the NFL. He's still learning.
You want a guy that needs 3 yards of space to hit a guy, trot Tjack back out there. There's your QB.
This is absolute BS! Most routes take longer than 3 seconds? Talk about making assumptions. There is no way in hell Peyton would do as good as Russell behind this offensive line. He would most likely be on IR by now because he hasn't faced this kind of pressure all year. Look what happened when the Colts got pressure, he collapsed. Only when they started playing prevent late did he have any success. The Trent Richardson fumble didn't help matter either.
Watch the ball when Peyton throws it, almost every single one is wobbly and they are getting worse, especially to the left. By late November his body will be giving out and he's going to find out that the cold weather in Denver is not to his liking, let alone the cold venues elsewhere. There's a reason why he has a losing record in the playoffs, teams start playing better defense and have more film.
The biggest reason we have a winning record is because of Russell Wilson's escapability and penchant for miraculous throws on the run. With anybody else behind this sieve of a line, we would be 3 and 4 with multiple injuries, pissed off wide receivers, and an unhappy fan base. Remember the Houston game that we were losing? Marshawn: "Russ, just take over the game." 102 yards later, we win.
There's a reason Manning went to Denver, offensive line and receiving corp. He didn't care about the mediocre running game because with Demaryus Thomas (610), Wes Welker (474), Eric Decker (627) and Julius Thomas (422), he can rack up the passing yards, 2565 so far (compared to a paltry 595 rushing) which equals 366 ypg. That's 4.3 times as many passing yards as rushing yards.
The Seahawks offense is not built that way. 1489 yards passing, 901 rushing. That's 1.65 times as many passing yards as rushing yards.
Two different offenses, one built for passing, the other for running, both with good defenses even though Denver's does give up more points, 28.1 ppg as opposed to Seattle's 16.6. Some might point to Denver's ppg and claim they aren't a good defense but it's not that obvious. Denver's defense plays a lot with a big lead, Seattle's, not so much. Denver scores 42.6 ppg and Seattle scores 27.3.
Don't get me wrong, I believe we have a very good receiving corp, we just can't seem to get them all healthy at the same time. But the talent the Broncos have benefits Peyton in a big way.
And one more thing, where have people gotten this "Russell holds the ball a long time" schtick? He does every once in a while but not nearly as much as Aaron Rodgers. How can #3 "hold the ball a long time" when the opposing defense is in the backfield almost unopposed? I swear, people read an opinion somewhere "Russell holds the ball a long time" then file that tidbit away to bring back up later to strengthen a weak argument. Then other people see that comment and it's use skyrockets. What the hell?
