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Russell Wilson is now the most pressured QB in the league, feeling heat on 46.6% of his dropbacks. #Seahawks

Poor guy. We'd be so screwed without his mobility. I think Peyton Manning would be 3-4 or 4-3 right now on our team. If there's one thing Wilson's mobility and scrambling capability are great for, it's when protection breaks down.
 

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While I agree that Wilson has been crazy good avoiding the rush, part of that stat is due to Russell holding the ball too long. So I disagree about Peyton. He's a master at getting the quick pass off.
 

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davidonmi":1ddmu0x1 said:
Geez, where would this team by with Matt flynn

Working our way to the bottom of the league so we could Draft Marcus Marriota next season.
 
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therealjohncarlson":264a712u said:
While I agree that Wilson has been crazy good avoiding the rush, part of that stat is due to Russell holding the ball too long. So I disagree about Peyton. He's a master at getting the quick pass off.
Let me know when we have a receiving corps like Denver does. Part of the reason Peyton chose Denver, I'm sure, is they've got some guys that can get very quick separation. How often do you see a Seahawks WR with separation 3 seconds after the snap? Not that often. Now, granted, we don't run routes like Denver does a lot, but still.

All of that being said, Wilson hanging onto the ball a long time definitely plays into this stat, but nobody should pretend our pass protection has been anything but poor for most of the time this year thus far, IMO.
 

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We don't throw quick outs, we don't throw outlet passes.

Wilson holds the ball longer than any QB in football.

Because HE IS AWESOME.

Applying pocket passer stats to him is dumb.

If the stats applied only to pocket drop backs, that is one thing, but again, who cares. We are missing both tackles, our guards are both new to the position, and our all pro center was out a couple games.

Jim Zorn had to run for his life. Wilson and Bevell haven't changed the play book so why worry.

Cable is man.
 

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RolandDeschain":15u0gk4s said:
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Russell Wilson is now the most pressured QB in the league, feeling heat on 46.6% of his dropbacks. #Seahawks

Poor guy. We'd be so screwed without his mobility. I think Peyton Manning would be 3-4 or 4-3 right now on our team. If there's one thing Wilson's mobility and scrambling capability are great for, it's when protection breaks down.

The other factor here is Marshawn Lynch. If we didn't have a decent running game and had to rely soley on Russell, we'd be screwed as well. The combination of a very good running game, a very good scrambling quarterback, and a top 5 defense has all but canceled out the effects of a line that leaks like a sieve.
 

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I think Manning is probably the best QB ever but I have to agree. On this team I honestly doubt we are 6-1 with any other QB in the league. Not saying Wilson is the best in the league just that his skill set has been ideal while we deal with injuries. I love our wr's but we don't have the guys who can separate off the line like Denver does. Its more than just a quick release by the QB. Demarius Thomas is an elite talent at WR. We dont have anyone like that.....yet. ;)
 

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RolandDeschain":3bznuca6 said:
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Russell Wilson is now the most pressured QB in the league, feeling heat on 46.6% of his dropbacks. #Seahawks

Poor guy. We'd be so screwed without his mobility. I think Peyton Manning would be 3-4 or 4-3 right now on our team. If there's one thing Wilson's mobility and scrambling capability are great for, it's when protection breaks down.
Totally disagree. The key to avoiding pressure isn't mobility and scrambling ability, its the ability to maneuver within the pocket, sense the pressure, keep your eyes up, and get the ball out in time. All of which Manning (along with Brady) does as well as anyone who has ever played the game - which is why statistically he's been one of the most difficult to sack QB's in NFL history. It's patently absurd to suggest that we'd be any worse off right now with Manning as our QB, never mind having a losing record.
 
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NorthDallas; have you seen how much separation our receivers get right off the bat? Peyton would be throwing the ball away 2 out of every 3 passing downs...lol.
 

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Peyton would be 6-1 if not 7-0 on this team, don't give me 4-3
 

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We have some pretty good receivers, but we don't have Wes Welker and that amazing TE Peyton has to throw to, something Thomas? That would definitely make a difference in Russell's game. But I'm not going to complain, we can the Superbowl with our receivers + Percy Harvin. It will be interesting to see how the pressure changes when he's on the field.
 

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I have sort of a hard time re-calibrating what I know about QB play based on what Russell Wilson does back there.

Does he get pressured because:

- Our receivers get no separation?

- Our tackles are bad?

- He holds onto the ball longer than most QBs just because?

I have seen enough plays diagrammed that at different times, it seems like all three. Which goes to say, of course, that I have no clue except that I have no idea how he is successful playing like this. I keep waiting for it to stop happening for him because traditionally, you want the ball out in two seconds or whatever and guys that hold onto the ball usually end up not doing much, but maybe this is the new normal or something.
 

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NorthDallas40oz":6twxr3m9 said:
RolandDeschain":6twxr3m9 said:
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Russell Wilson is now the most pressured QB in the league, feeling heat on 46.6% of his dropbacks. #Seahawks

Poor guy. We'd be so screwed without his mobility. I think Peyton Manning would be 3-4 or 4-3 right now on our team. If there's one thing Wilson's mobility and scrambling capability are great for, it's when protection breaks down.
Totally disagree. The key to avoiding pressure isn't mobility and scrambling ability, its the ability to maneuver within the pocket, sense the pressure, keep your eyes up, and get the ball out in time. All of which Manning (along with Brady) does as well as anyone who has ever played the game - which is why statistically he's been one of the most difficult to sack QB's in NFL history. It's patently absurd to suggest that we'd be any worse off right now with Manning as our QB, never mind having a losing record.

Absolutely agree. Peyton Manning is the best quarterback in the modern era, perhaps all time, at reading defenses. I'm not saying that Russell isn't good at it, but Manning is the best. You give Peyton Manning our defense and our running game and we'd certainly be no worse than 6-1.
 
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It has nothing to do with being a knock against Peyton. He's just a very different QB from Wilson, and our receivers do not get rapid separation, and rapid separation is ALL about Peyton's preferred game.
 

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RiverDog":26ca143p said:
RolandDeschain":26ca143p said:
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Russell Wilson is now the most pressured QB in the league, feeling heat on 46.6% of his dropbacks. #Seahawks

Poor guy. We'd be so screwed without his mobility. I think Peyton Manning would be 3-4 or 4-3 right now on our team. If there's one thing Wilson's mobility and scrambling capability are great for, it's when protection breaks down.

The other factor here is Marshawn Lynch. If we didn't have a decent running game and had to rely soley on Russell, we'd be screwed as well. The combination of a very good running game, a very good scrambling quarterback, and a top 5 defense has all but canceled out the effects of a line that leaks like a sieve.
Yeah, I agree it's kinda weird how that cancels out just how horrible the line looks. Typically a team with a bad O-line doesn't do very well unless the QB can get rid of the ball quickly (like Manning).

Manning would be 7-0 with this team. Between him and Unger they'd pick up everything, check out, dump off, or do quick passes to tear team apart. Still, I would not want any other QB than my first name Russell last name Wilson.
 

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When does the timing start.. right after the snap.

If its starts after the snap, then their is at least one whole second if not longer for the ball to get to him.
 

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NorthDallas40oz":1zqulwfw said:
RolandDeschain":1zqulwfw said:
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Russell Wilson is now the most pressured QB in the league, feeling heat on 46.6% of his dropbacks. #Seahawks

Poor guy. We'd be so screwed without his mobility. I think Peyton Manning would be 3-4 or 4-3 right now on our team. If there's one thing Wilson's mobility and scrambling capability are great for, it's when protection breaks down.
Totally disagree. The key to avoiding pressure isn't mobility and scrambling ability, its the ability to maneuver within the pocket, sense the pressure, keep your eyes up, and get the ball out in time. All of which Manning (along with Brady) does as well as anyone who has ever played the game - which is why statistically he's been one of the most difficult to sack QB's in NFL history. It's patently absurd to suggest that we'd be any worse off right now with Manning as our QB, never mind having a losing record.
This.
 
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You guys are making some very dubious assumptions, thinking our receivers would work out well for Peyton's preferred style of passing game, in my opinion.
 

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