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Good god. Kerry Collins is the success story?

Let's hope not.
He wasn't putting up Mahomes-like stats, but he was a reliable starter for a good amount of time and played well within the system, even leading the Giants to the Super Bowl one year. He also led the NFL in 4th quarter comebacks in 2002. Depending on what we're paying him, we could do a lot worse than the next Kerry Collins.
 
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in the end, we will see, however, we had a great defense and run game with avg at best QBs and the best we got was 7-9. TWO straight years. I do not believe PCs system will work the way he wants. but we will see. In the end, I think PC is just coasting his last 2 years till retirement. I don't trust him or believe much of what he says but we will see. Maybe he will prove me wrong but I am betting not.
 

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It is so funny watching all of you go so overboard in the other direction when you are talking out of your a**. What he did in Denver with very little support is no indication of what he (might) do here with a second chance. Stop being a** hats. I know for a fact (which is not true) all of you would not do any better at anything with a second chance. Your absolutes are just so typical of your liberal I know more then any body else agenda and it is so Fuc**** tiresome.. Justs get over yourself!! Thank you for your time!!
This board is for football only. Keep your politics on the politics board.
 

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In 2004 with SD, Brees was 11-4 with 27 TDs to 7 INTs and a 104.8 QB rating. Lock has never had a season remotely close to that.

I'm not seeing any great examples, but HawkNuts did mention a good one in Kerry Collins when trying to argue the opposite point. He was pretty bad in Carolina, but put together some above average seasons with the Giants.
Yes this is true but he never lived up to his perceived potential out of college. Maybe that is Drew Locks ceiling. I could see it going either way.
 

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If Lock would have been coming out of college this year he would have easily been the highest taken QB without a doubt. With the being one of the worst QB classes in history that isn’t saying much but also shows ridiculousness of those sensationalizing about taking someone in this class just to draft a QB. I got one am intrigued to see what he can do and comes to us at zero risk and a potential of a huge ceiling. He never got any quality mentoring or stability.
 

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Yes this is true but he never lived up to his perceived potential out of college. Maybe that is Drew Locks ceiling. I could see it going either way.
Kerry Collins, to my limited viewing of his play, never looked the same, after a helmet-to-chinstrap hit by Romanowski.
 

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People looking for an example of a mediocre QB going to a system fit with better receivers having career years need look no further than Rich Gannon. He was nothing to speak about in Minny and KC until he went to Oakland and had great receivers with a very good scheme fit. Four Pro Bowls, Two All pro teams and an MVP with a super bowl appearance starting out at thirty-five years old.

As far as Pete talking up Lock, it is par for the course. It is probably the best way to motivate a player. Some will not respond to it, but tearing down players to build them up the way you want them is so last millennium.
 

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No, but it's a better indicator of future performance than being tall and having a last name that rhymes with a part of the male anatomy. I hope Lock becomes an exception, but I'm struggling to recall precedence for a QB in a similar situation to suddenly put it all together with another team. The closest I can think of is Trent Dilfer going from disaster in Tampa to something resembling competent with Baltimore and Seattle. It is really telling how enormous the Broncos apparently saw the gap between Lock and Wilson. They thought Russ was worth mortgaging their future when they had Lock on a cheap rookie deal.
They also changed their coaching staff. You think that doesn't factor in for both QBs?
 

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They also changed their coaching staff. You think that doesn't factor in for both QBs?
Certainly a factor. Wasnt a great situation he was drafted into. I'm not saying Lock cant improve, I'm mostly just saying if he did become the guy here, it would be largely unprecedented.
 
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People looking for an example of a mediocre QB going to a system fit with better receivers having career years need look no further than Rich Gannon. He was nothing to speak about in Minny and KC until he went to Oakland and had great receivers with a very good scheme fit. Four Pro Bowls, Two All pro teams and an MVP with a super bowl appearance starting out at thirty-five years old.

As far as Pete talking up Lock, it is par for the course. It is probably the best way to motivate a player. Some will not respond to it, but tearing down players to build them up the way you want them is so last millennium.
Unfortunatly, my lasting memory of Rich Gannon was the crushing body weight of Tony Siragusa, who belly flopped on Gannon, crushing him, and ending Gannon's playoffs.
Siragusa's body weight may have caused a rule change ~20 years ago.
 

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Insult? Jeez, the pearl-clutching.

Lock's played decently in some stretches, and this years quarterbacks all have significant issues. Not really that far of a stretch to think him improving is more likely than any of those quarterbacks panning out to above-average starter status.
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Certainly a factor. Wasnt a great situation he was drafted into. I'm not saying Lock cant improve, I'm mostly just saying if he did become the guy here, it would be largely unprecedented.
No, you said more than that in all honesty. We're all opinionated at times though, I guess. You came around to this reasonable statement so I give you credit for that.
 

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Your first point is obvious and no organization has chosen to do so nor have I advocated for the Seahawks to take on his contract. I was merely using Mayfield as an example of a QB who has had more success than Lock and what teams are willing to give and comparing that with Lock. I just find Pete's statement disingenuous.
I guess we will find out next year if its Lock or the coaching that was bad. I wish Lock all the success in the world.
To me, Lock has a higher ceiling than Mayfield. Not being a homer. We've seen Baker with a talented team. Lock had me intrigued in college. It's a tough transition. Put him in a position to get better and show what he's got as he develops. We're not accustomed to this, but it's more the reality for teams without a sure bet future HOFamer.
 

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I forgot to type that Bronco starting right tackle was out, in concussion protocol, after falling on his walk into Empower Stadium on the way to the dressing room.
Question for anyone(for educational purposes):
Could Ingram's game winning play have been prevented?
(for example, by Lock, if he should have known(?) that Ingraham would be unblocked...or by Gordon, who could have reacted to the impending disaster by ignoring/refusing Lock's handoff and, instead, hitting Ingram, and forcing the play to be a 'broken play'...
Fullcourtpress has got some smarts. I'll look forward to reading more.
 

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History is full of QBs that did not do real great at the beginning of their careers, but found above average success. You mention Trent Dilfer. Probably the worth QB to win a SB. Dan Fouts had 5 horrible seasons before finally flourishing. Brad Johnson was a complete washout in Minnesota, but won the SB with TB and was a 2-time pro bowler. Drew Brees had 4 bad seasons in San Diego before becoming a legend in NO. Jim Plunkett was never a great QB, but has 2 SB rings. In fact, this last season we just witnessed a QB that had 12 mediocre seasons with a team only to win the SB in his first season with another team. I think it is foolish to write Lock or Geno off as not being able to get it done. Both have the talent, it is the mistakes that costs them. A good system can minimize those mistakes.
Dang, some of you really make a lot of sense. Excellent post.
 

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Does Pete believe what he says? Only Pete knows for sure, but I believe that he does.

Pete is about the long game and my belief is that his positivity is not some disingenuous schtick, though clearly many here believe it is....or believe he's losing his mental faculties...or believe he's <fill in with derisive descriptor>.

Pete sees people in a holistic way, which is hard for many in here to comprehend - it was just as hard for some of the players who have played for him over the years.

I could psychoanalyze some of the commenters here and possibly be spot on, but ultimately one's beliefs and the narratives we choose to build and follow is ultimately what will determine how each of us perceive what we experience and observe.

Those in here living with a belief of the fast-twitch, instant-gratification, superiority- complex mindset will forever travel the road of scarcity and not good enough - ever critics of a world where choices and decisions apart from theirs are unacceptable and deserving of ridicule.

Your last comment about looking at QBs is amusing because they have always stated that they are always looking at QBs just as they are always looking at every position for opportunities to compete and improve. So this year and next year and even when we had Russell under center, they were always looking at QBs as with every other position - that is how the team operates, that is actually how many teams operate in the world of competitive sports.

My best suggestion for those of you who seem to have such vitriol for Pete is to simply stop listening to his pressers - but then that wouldn't feed your self imposed victim roles I suppose.
Very well said
 

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Drew Brees had an injury that was thought to be serious. He was good in San Diego.

Shall we look at the list of QB’s who got a second chance and failed?

Carson Wentz
Rick Mirer
Heath Schuler
Ryan Leaf
EJ Manuel
Dan McGwire
Cade McNown
Tim Couch
Jim Drunkenmiller
Joey Harrington
David Carr
Vince Young
Kyle Boller
RG III
Brady Quinn
Kerry Collins

I mean there are hundreds.

Even if Drew Lock is decent our roster isn’t good enough to do much. But I’ll be curious to see what PC can do with him.
I'd take Drew Lock over any of them. We'll, RG3 was a flash
 

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I think people are over thinking this.

This is going to become a more run oriented offense with play action boot legs, etc. Lock and Geno can handle this and will not be asked to carry the team as this offense isn't going to require a top ten QB to make it roll (eg Goff) The key will be the turn around of the defense for this strategy to work.
Hear hear!
 

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Were any of these QBs that came back to be good after being underwhelming in the past decade?

Can we get any relevant examples?
 

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