Pete Carroll needs to go

[John63]

It takes about 5 years to rebuild and season a group of players, if you can get a group overall that are talented enough to work and build together. It also takes the right players in a system, some don't fit talent wise, some don't have it upstairs.

Pete's system works when he has the pieces there is no question, adaption on the fly is where he sometimes waits too long to change things, he also seems to drift away from aspects that work and does not go back to them. Riding the horse into the ground so to speak before he concedes that maybe that horse should have been given a break and got on a different mount.

I have no doubt Schotty can call plays that move the offense as well as Wilson when he is given a chance, putting a Governor on the offense many times is a problem. He says he would like to win by margins but saying and doing isn't what I see, most of us haven't, we go into play not to lose mode with a lead too many times instead of pushing and keeping the pressure on in all 3 aspects.

He really needs to be more of a Orchestrator and let his guys be who they are a DC and a OC and kick them in the ass to adapt and change when things start to slide and use his experience to nudge and guide them versus control. Her can still be a influence but not so hands on in both aspects.

BING BING BING we have a winner

 

[MontanaHawk05]

For the sake of the reputation of this board and Seahawks fans around the world, can we ban this John guy?

He's contributed more Seahawks-related material to this topic than you have.

And that's pretty bad, given that one needs a Rosetta stone and a flask of Bacardi 151 to read his posts.

Pete's strengths don't lie in game clock management or offensive playcalling. They lie in defensive coaching, diamond-in-the-rough player acquisition, and on-the-field inspiration. It's the reason we can find Pro Bowlers on Day 3 of the draft and then keep them playing their asses off in the 4th quarter when many teams give up. It's led to eight playoff appearances in ten years. Attempts to dismiss that as "nothing", or "intentional mediocrity", are intellectually indefensible.

 

[AgentDib]

He's contributed more Seahawks-related material to this topic than you have.

Do you feel that "Pete Carroll needs to go" deserves a lengthy debate?

 

[BlueThunder]

Dude Brought us a world championship. That’s all anyone needs to know. Conversation over. They’re making fun of this stupid thread on the Niner site. Embarrassing.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

For the sake of the reputation of this board and Seahawks fans around the world, can we ban this John guy?

He's contributed more Seahawks-related material to this topic than you have.

And that's pretty bad, given that one needs a Rosetta stone and a flask of Bacardi 151 to read his posts............

More like a case of 151

 

[pittpnthrs]

Yeah, it sucks that we play in the toughest division in all of football. Swap us with the Patriots, and using the leverage of six basically free games per year, winning gets a lot easier. It's entirely possible and even likely that the AFC will only have 4 teams finishing with winning records. We'll likely have 3 just in our division.

It wouldnt be 6 free games for us though. Where the Patriots and good clubs feast on the teams they should beat, the Hawks struggle against them and thats whats so frustrating. Seattle is just as likely to lose to a team they should beat as they are to beating a good team. Its infuriating.

 

[Sox-n-Hawks]

Another playoff run and people are whining?

Figure it out.

 

[xray]

Tom Landry--Paul Brown--Mike Ditka--Mike Shanahan--Hank Stram--Jon Gruden--Tom Flores--George Seifert--Don McCafferty--Brian Bilick --all won super bowls and got fired later on . Pete Carroll isn't special .

 

[NJlargent]

Tonight will be a good measuring stick as to coaching. Let's see if we respond to the past 3 weeks of poor play. Do we come out and play well and prepared? Or do we give up an early score and remain noncompetitive the entire game?

 

[LymonHawk]

Tom Landry--Paul Brown--Mike Ditka--Mike Shanahan--Hank Stram--Jon Gruden--Tom Flores--George Seifert--Don McCafferty--Brian Bilick --all won super bowls and got fired later on . Pete Carroll isn't special .

Whiners are gonna whine and trolls are gonna troll. That's the gist of it. At best they're fair-weathered fans.

Screw'em.

 

[justafan]

Tonight will be a good measuring stick as to coaching. Let's see if we respond to the past 3 weeks of poor play. Do we come out and play well and prepared? Or do we give up an early score and remain noncompetitive the entire game?

I dont really see it that way. We are beat to hell right now. We are out manned at nearly every position except QB and WR. The fact we stood tow to tow with them earlier when we were healthy tells me Pete outcoached that dillweed down there. Same with the first Rams game. Both are more talented top to bottom. Pete had them ready to play and they executed.

I am hoping for a good game but we are beat up badly. Most coaches would lose this matchup.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

He's contributed more Seahawks-related material to this topic than you have.

Do you feel that "Pete Carroll needs to go" deserves a lengthy debate?

A lengthy repudiation, maybe.

But I think we can agree that mods deciding what topics are and aren't worthy of discussion is an iffy road to go down. As long as it's Seahawks-related, and as long as there aren't 16 identical threads on a subject, we're going to let it play.

 

[oldhawkfan]

While it hasn’t been a complete overhaul, this team has been in a rebuild since the end of the 2017 season. Pete Carroll has so far, coached 21 wins in in almost two complete seasons. Playoffs during a rebuild? Yes please!

 

[Northwest Seahawk]

We'll see how the rest of the season plays out. There is no doubt in my mind however there drafting has to be better. Basically all we got out of the last draft was Metcalf we had 2 first round picks they could and should have done better. I will not support that any longer. Pete you can make an argument for JS he needs to be fired if this piss poor drafting continues.

 

[justafan]

We'll see how the rest of the season plays out. There is no doubt in my mind however there drafting has to be better. Basically all we got out of the last draft was Metcalf we had 2 first round picks they could and should have done better. I will not support that any longer. Pete you can make an argument for JS he needs to be fired if this piss poor drafting continues.

How do you know what they drafted last year? Players develop slower than people want but if you choose not to support them, Pete and John will find a way to carry on and go to the playoffs next year also.

 

[Northwest Seahawk]

We'll see how the rest of the season plays out. There is no doubt in my mind however there drafting has to be better. Basically all we got out of the last draft was Metcalf we had 2 first round picks they could and should have done better. I will not support that any longer. Pete you can make an argument for JS he needs to be fired if this piss poor drafting continues.

How do you know what they drafted last year? Players develop slower than people want but if you choose not to support them, Pete and John will find a way to carry on and go to the playoffs next year also.

It's not just this year JS has missed on players and more importantly left very good talent on the board over and over for like the last 4 years.

 

[mikeak]

Pete reminds me of Les Miles

Wins a championship

Competitive team

Strange decision making, lack of offensive creativity

Les Miles was finally replaced and guess what LSU has now....

Having success doesn't mean your head coach should be immune from criticism. As good as Pete is and as well as the team has done we are making horrible in game decision and we have an awful amount of three and out and we let teams back into game after game after game

 

[MontanaHawk05]

We'll see how the rest of the season plays out. There is no doubt in my mind however there drafting has to be better. Basically all we got out of the last draft was Metcalf we had 2 first round picks they could and should have done better. I will not support that any longer. Pete you can make an argument for JS he needs to be fired if this piss poor drafting continues.

How do you know what they drafted last year? Players develop slower than people want but if you choose not to support them, Pete and John will find a way to carry on and go to the playoffs next year also.

It's not just this year JS has missed on players and more importantly left very good talent on the board over and over for like the last 4 years.

Every GM does this. There's literally not one that doesn't do exactly what you've just described, nor has there ever been one. You should have seen the Patriots' drafting from about 2005-2010.

 

[Northwest Seahawk]

We'll see how the rest of the season plays out. There is no doubt in my mind however there drafting has to be better. Basically all we got out of the last draft was Metcalf we had 2 first round picks they could and should have done better. I will not support that any longer. Pete you can make an argument for JS he needs to be fired if this piss poor drafting continues.

How do you know what they drafted last year? Players develop slower than people want but if you choose not to support them, Pete and John will find a way to carry on and go to the playoffs next year also.

It's not just this year JS has missed on players and more importantly left very good talent on the board over and over for like the last 4 years.

Every GM does this. There's literally not one that doesn't do exactly what you've just described, nor has there ever been one. You should have seen the Patriots' drafting from about 2005-2010.

Some more than others.

 

[mikeak]

Winning a playoff game this year that would help a lot.

The irony is I strongly believe we win a playoff game if we lose tonight

If we win I am likewise convinced we are done

Hope I am wrong