PC on KJR this morning

[AgentDib]

Did anybody else hear the interview this morning? I listened to it while driving but can't find it online anywhere now. If so, did you feel like Pete was putting the lion's share of the responsibility on Russell? It was a few hours ago so I may be slightly off, but he said things like:
- We had receivers open, we just needed to get the ball to the ones who were the most open.
- We had exactly the one on one isolations that we wanted but we needed to make better plays and better throws.

Previously following losses he has talked more about the entire team; how we need to protect better (O-Line), how we need to be cleaner (penalties), how we need to get off the field on 3rd downs (defense), and how we need to be sharper (receiver route running). Obviously Wilson had a disappointing game but was he really missing wide open receivers? It didn't feel like that to me, but if so did we jump the gun on blaming the receiving group?

 

[Missing_Clink]

Did anybody else hear the interview this morning? I listened to it while driving but can't find it online anywhere now. If so, did you feel like Pete was putting the lion's share of the responsibility on Russell? It was a few hours ago so I may be slightly off, but he said things like:
- We had receivers open, we just needed to get the ball to the ones who were the most open.
- We had exactly the one on one isolations that we wanted but we needed to make better plays and better throws.

Previously following losses he has talked more about the entire team; how we need to protect better (O-Line), how we need to be cleaner (penalties), how we need to get off the field on 3rd downs (defense), and how we need to be sharper (receiver route running). Obviously Wilson had a disappointing game but was he really missing wide open receivers? It didn't feel like that to me, but if so did we jump the gun on blaming the receiving group?

Russell truly had a terrible game. The stats show it. Watching the alarming number of inaccurate passes shows it. The bad decisions show it. He was bad. But I don't think he was getting much help. From watching up in the nosebleeds, I didn't see many instances of a WR or TE running free that Wilson didn't even see. Guys were well covered. It really was just a total top-to-bottom offensive failure. But I do hope that Wilson knows he has to play much, much better for this team to win. I'm pretty sure he does.

 

[Mtjhoyas]

Agreed with the above. RW was flat out terrible. Was bailing out of the pocket, locking onto first reads, inaccurate, etc.

Nobody on offense played well, but I honestly thought outside of the one scoring drive, RW really didn't give us a chance to win that day. I think he'd be the first to admit that.

I think/hope he bounces back in a big way, but he hasn't been himself form the last 3 games.

 

[salukihawk12]

Definitely not looking for an excuse, but does anyone think the weather played a part in RW's bad play or the team as a whole?? Maybe someone who was at the game can chime in, but it appeared to me the heavy, wet air had everyone off their game. Snaps were being mishandled, if even the slightest bit and it appeared Russ couldn't get a good grip on the ball. It even seemed to affect the kicking game as well. Noone seemed comfortable from the start.

 

[The Outfield]

The inaccuracy (particularly on deep shots) from RW over the past few games is starting to seriously worry me. Those are his bread and butter.

 

[Happypuppy]

The weather was worse for the NO game. RW was off. He's human; I expect he will be better Sunday

 

[irocdave]

He should be talking to and directing some of the blame to Wilson. That's part of coaching, if he didn't think it would benefit Wilson then he wouldn't do it. Wilson needs to refocus and play better, period. The discussion with Pete will motivate him to do so as will taking some of the blame. Everyone wants to anoint him "elite", well in order to be elite a QB has to make everyone better around him. Especially when the QB gets paid. The Hawks NEED Wilson to play better if their going to make a run in the playoffs.

 

[The Outfield]

Snippets from Pro Football Focus (posted on Seattle Times) from the past few weeks:

The 49ers game:

Russell Wilson didn’t connect on any Deep Passes on Sunday, going 0-for-3 with an interception.

The Giants game:

The deep ball wasn’t there this time for Russell Wilson. He went 0-for-4 with an INT on passes thrown 20+ yards downfield.

The Cardinals game:

Another poor day throwing deep for the normally dangerous Russell Wilson. He completed just 1-of-7 deep balls for 28 yards and threw an interception.

So it appears he's 1 of 14 with three interceptions on deep passes over the past few weeks.

 

[Missing_Clink]

Definitely not looking for an excuse, but does anyone think the weather played a part in RW's bad play or the team as a whole?? Maybe someone who was at the game can chime in, but it appeared to me the heavy, wet air had everyone off their game. Snaps were being mishandled, if even the slightest bit and it appeared Russ couldn't get a good grip on the ball. It even seemed to affect the kicking game as well. Noone seemed comfortable from the start.

The Seattle football team is just going to have to learn how to play in heavy wet air if that was the problem. Maybe practice outside.

 

[Jville]

I wonder if they have fallen into the trap of telegraphing plays. It's as if opponents know whats coming.

To date, the subject of telegraphing has been absent from discussions about on going offensive woes.

 

[-The Glove-]

Snippets from Pro Football Focus (posted on Seattle Times) from the past few weeks:

The 49ers game:

Russell Wilson didn’t connect on any Deep Passes on Sunday, going 0-for-3 with an interception.

The Giants game:

The deep ball wasn’t there this time for Russell Wilson. He went 0-for-4 with an INT on passes thrown 20+ yards downfield.

The Cardinals game:

Another poor day throwing deep for the normally dangerous Russell Wilson. He completed just 1-of-7 deep balls for 28 yards and threw an interception.

So it appears he's 1 of 14 with three interceptions on deep passes over the past few weeks.

Looks to me like we need to work the short, intermediates more. Yeah, we were leading the league in explosive plays, but I think Bevell/PC/Wilson, whoever. Has fallen in love with it and neglecting to utilize the rest of the field.

 

[HawKnPeppa]

I wonder if they have fallen into the trap of telegraphing plays. It's as if opponents know whats coming.

To date, the subject of telegraphing has been absent from discussions about on going offensive woes.

They are not 'telegraphing' anything. :roll: What they do is so predictable that it needs no telegraphing. All the opponent needs is the right personnel and scheme to defend it.

 

[HawKnPeppa]

Agreed with the above. RW was flat out terrible. Was bailing out of the pocket, locking onto first reads, inaccurate, etc.

Nobody on offense played well, but I honestly thought outside of the one scoring drive, RW really didn't give us a chance to win that day. I think he'd be the first to admit that.

I think/hope he bounces back in a big way, but he hasn't been himself form the last 3 games.

Here we go again. I saw nothing to indicate that he was locking onto his first read ,yet you've been chanting that mantra repeatedly. And 'flat-out terrible?' You aren't exaggerating just wee bit are you? Noooo couldn't be.

He WAS NOT 'locking onto his first read.' Most of the time his WR's were covered pretty well, held or knocked off their routes. I can buy the fact that he had an off day, but the painfully obvious fact that he was holding the ball forever waiting for any receiver to come open, while, yes, OBVIOUSLY moving his head and eyes around while SCANNING the field tells me he WAS NOT LOCKING ONTO HIS RECEIVERS. Would you give it a rest and stop trying to create a reality based upon a false pretense?

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

You know what though, a majority of it is still on Bevell... if Russell is struggling like he has to make the splash plays... game plan him passes with higher completion rates and a formations that give him a damn safety valve.

Not the same deep pass bull shit that's harder to convert especially when defenses know its the bread and butter and have now learned to take away the deep third of the field along with Lynch making our O so freakin predictable because Bevell doesn't know how to utilize a short to intermediate passing game longer than a series or two.

 

[MORGULON]

You know what though, a majority of it is still on Bevell... if Russell is struggling like he has to make the splash plays... game plan him passes with higher completion rates and a formations that give him a damn safety valve.

Not the same deep pass bull shit that's harder to convert especially when defenses know its the bread and butter and have now learned to take away the deep third of the field along with Lynch making our O so freakin predictable because Bevell doesn't know how to utilize a short to intermediate passing game longer than a series or two.

:sarcasm_on: You mean run up the gut first and second down and then an incomplete pass on third? :sarcasm_off:

 

[Mtjhoyas]

You get pretty emotional about this stuff. They have people you can talk to about issues.

RW had a bad game. Just because I mention things he didn't do well in this game, isn't an implication on his season or him as a QB in general. Out of character, he struggled with the little things he usually does really well. Are you saying he played well?

Honestly, some of you get so emotional about any sort of criticism about RW. He's been an amazing QB. Even rather historic for his first 2 years. I call out the fact that he had a really bad game and struggled for the last 3 and that means I am saying he is a sucky QB? RW is great. He is a big reason why we have 12 wins. He is also a big reason why we lost against the Cardinals. What is wrong with this? He is human and is allowed to have a bad game.

Agreed with the above. RW was flat out terrible. Was bailing out of the pocket, locking onto first reads, inaccurate, etc.

Nobody on offense played well, but I honestly thought outside of the one scoring drive, RW really didn't give us a chance to win that day. I think he'd be the first to admit that.

I think/hope he bounces back in a big way, but he hasn't been himself form the last 3 games.

Here we go again. I saw nothing to indicate that he was locking onto his first read ,yet you've been chanting that mantra repeatedly. And 'flat-out terrible?' You aren't exaggerating just wee bit are you? Noooo couldn't be.

He WAS NOT 'locking onto his first read.' Most of the time his WR's were covered pretty well, held or knocked off their routes. I can buy the fact that he had an off day, but the painfully obvious fact that he was holding the ball forever waiting for any receiver to come open, while, yes, OBVIOUSLY moving his head and eyes around while SCANNING the field tells me he WAS NOT LOCKING ONTO HIS RECEIVERS. Would you give it a rest and stop trying to create a reality based upon a false pretense?

 

[rpmischris]

This thread makes me smile!

 

[SalishHawkFan]

So what we're seeing is that defenses are taking away the deep ball. 1 in 14 with 3 INTs is pretty bad. Deep passes are generally low percentage passes to begin with, but this is really bad. Per FO, AZ is 2nd vs the pass, SF is 9th vs the pass and NYG is 10th vs the pass. So a big part of that is facing top 10 defenses vs the pass.

However, Carolina, NO and SF are all in the playoffs and all of them are top 10 defenses vs the pass. We have to do better.

I remember a couple months back there was an article somewhere talking about how we run such basic route trees that it's easier for defenses to defend against them. This isn't something that's just suddenly reared its ugly head. This has been a problem all season long and there has already been much discussion about it. Before, our rushing game masked much of it and our oline woes got a lot of the blame.

Well, we can't blame the oline anymore. It's the vanilla offensive schemes that are killing us. Our rushing attack has faltered and you can't blame Lynch, he's still a Beast out there, but there's only so much that one man can do if the oline isn't clearing the way. And there's only so much the oline can do when the defense is stacking the run knowing that the secondary can handle the very basic route trees our WR's are running.

At some point we need to either A: open up the passing game or B: find an OC who can run a more complicated offense.

 

[FairWeatherFan]

Definitely not looking for an excuse, but does anyone think the weather played a part in RW's bad play or the team as a whole?? Maybe someone who was at the game can chime in, but it appeared to me the heavy, wet air had everyone off their game. Snaps were being mishandled, if even the slightest bit and it appeared Russ couldn't get a good grip on the ball. It even seemed to affect the kicking game as well. Noone seemed comfortable from the start.

If weather had something to do with the loss, it's because of this >>> CLICK <<< I think it played a role - they all looked flat.

 

[plyka]

I wonder if they have fallen into the trap of telegraphing plays. It's as if opponents know whats coming.

To date, the subject of telegraphing has been absent from discussions about on going offensive woes.

When you have 3 plays that you call, I guess you can call it telegraphing. It's amazing when you compare Peyton Manning, who basically throws 85% of his passes within 10-15 yards of the line of scrimmage, or Brady who is more of an intermediate passer in the 10-20 yard range with Wilson --whom Bevell has chucking bombs on 3rd and 3 like it's going out of style. Manning depends on his WRs taking 5 yard passes to the house. I think Bevell just doesn't understand the value of a first down. If it's 3rd and 5, why take such a low percentage play like throwing a 50 yard bomb? I guess the world will never know.

My best guess is that the Hawks have their ideology and follow it regardless of their situation. They think it's all about long bombs, but in my opinion it's all about extending drives. Of course I'd rather have a 50 yard bomb, but if it is 3rd and 6, I'd rather have a 9 yard completion that's successful 75% of the time versus a 50 yard bomb which may be successful 15% of the time.

Agreed with the above. RW was flat out terrible. Was bailing out of the pocket, locking onto first reads, inaccurate, etc.

Nobody on offense played well, but I honestly thought outside of the one scoring drive, RW really didn't give us a chance to win that day. I think he'd be the first to admit that.

I think/hope he bounces back in a big way, but he hasn't been himself form the last 3 games.

Here we go again. I saw nothing to indicate that he was locking onto his first read ,yet you've been chanting that mantra repeatedly. And 'flat-out terrible?' You aren't exaggerating just wee bit are you? Noooo couldn't be.

He WAS NOT 'locking onto his first read.' Most of the time his WR's were covered pretty well, held or knocked off their routes. I can buy the fact that he had an off day, but the painfully obvious fact that he was holding the ball forever waiting for any receiver to come open, while, yes, OBVIOUSLY moving his head and eyes around while SCANNING the field tells me he WAS NOT LOCKING ONTO HIS RECEIVERS. Would you give it a rest and stop trying to create a reality based upon a false pretense?

It takes WRs a LONG time to run routes that are 50 yards plus. You HAVE to be innovative. You have to take advantage of the entire field. This team thinks too highly of the deep ball. You could see during the game, if the WRs were to cut off their routes short, they would have been wide open. The defense is playing this team for the long ball, they have their defenders deep --when that happens, you MUST ADJUST and start throwing short or intermediate plays. Just compare the one TD drive in the 2nd half --you had 3 great passes in the intermediate range. Earlier this team, at times, took advantage of shorter routes. On one successful 3rd down conversion, you had an 8 yard in route by Lockette. There were other times when the passing game was successful --a bubble screen to a WR got 8 yards, a short crossing pattern had another success.

The place this team failed miserably were all the 3rd down bombs it threw. One one 3rd and 3, when the team was driving around mid field --this one i was the most pissed of all --Tate ran a shorter route, but the other 3 WRs all ran 50 yard go routes. On a freakin 3rd and 3. Obviously the 50 yard bomb by Russell was not successful.