Patriot Fans being delusional part two…

[camdawg]

That wasn't a good day but do you think it has any bearing on this upcoming game?

Probably not. But it depends upon how much you want to nitpick the Seahawks' three losses. There's Patriots fans that want to go back to our week one loss to San Francisco. If they do that, the Pats loss to the Raiders becomes fair game.

As does your loss to Pittsburgh, which happened right after we flew across the country and throttled the Steelers in their house.

 

[Natethegreat]

I took a look at twitter(x) and it's hilarious how many Pats fans are saying that the Hawks don't have anyone other than JSN for Darnold to throw to and all they have to do is double him and Sam will start throwing interceptions.

Oh and some others are saying that they expect Gonzalez to cover Cooper Kupp and I'm like : "Oh? So who is going to cover Rashid Shaheed?"

What a bunch of dumbasses.

Finding hot takes from ill informed fans on Twitter is a pretty easy task.

 

[glenwo2]

Finding hot takes from ill informed fans on Twitter is a pretty easy task.

It's fun, too. It's a great source for comedy.

 

[camdawg]

This is the one that makes me laugh out loud.

Yeah, Patriots fans calling out the Seahawks for facing "weak quarterbacks" is rich, when they've faced backup quarterbacks in three of their final five games. (Quinn Ewers, Brady Cook, and Jarrett Stidham.)

 

[camdawg]

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The RedZone offense and Third Down offense in the playoffs have been stark in difference between the two teams.

Whereas the Pats became worse in the playoffs, the Seahawks improved.

Very good sign for us; not a good sign for them.

The other big difference I see is we protect the passer, and get after the opposing QB. The Patriots struggle to do both.

Defensively, we had 47 regular season sacks, tied with Houston and the Rams for seventh place. The Patriots? 35 sacks on defense, tied for 22nd place with a few other teams.

Offensive sacks allowed? The Broncos and Rams were the class of the league, allowing only 23 each. However, we only allowed 27, tied for fifth in this metric with the 49ers. The Patriots got Drake Maye beat to death, allowing FORTY EIGHT. And they've been even worse at this in the playoffs.

 

[hawkfan68]

Yeah, Patriots fans calling out the Seahawks for facing "weak quarterbacks" is rich, when they've faced backup quarterbacks in three of their final five games. (Quinn Ewers, Brady Cook, and Jarrett Stidham.)

Pats fans ignore facts that aren't favorable to their team.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

And always have.

 

[loafoftatupu]

The team is not going to take anything for granted, they will prepare for battle as they would for any team. That being said, I am not part of the team and Seattle is going to beat the Patriots like a pimp collecting after Labor Day Weekend in Detroit.

 

[Natethegreat]

The other big difference I see is we protect the passer, and get after the opposing QB. The Patriots struggle to do both.

Defensively, we had 47 regular season sacks, tied with Houston and the Rams for seventh place. The Patriots? 35 sacks on defense, tied for 22nd place with a few other teams.

Offensive sacks allowed? The Broncos and Rams were the class of the league, allowing only 23 each. However, we only allowed 27, tied for fifth in this metric with the 49ers. The Patriots got Drake Maye beat to death, allowing FORTY EIGHT. And they've been even worse at this in the playoffs.

This I think is actually important, not the schedule. If we can generate pressure I think we can make life near impossible for their offense.
Conversely give Darnold time and he will shred their D. Regardless if we can run.

I truly think we struggle to run the ball so to me the O line giving Darnold a decent pocket will be paramount.

 

[glenwo2]

This I think is actually important, not the schedule. If we can generate pressure I think we can make life near impossible for their offense.
Conversely give Darnold time and he will shredd their D. Regardless if we can run.

I truly think we struggle to run the ball so to me the O line giving Darnold a decent pocket will be paramount.

Also don't forget that we now a have working SCREEN game to get K9 involved.

 

[Dolomight12]

What they are actually working on.

OK, repeat after me. "Hey Reek, your mother wears army boots"

"...and your granny has radioactive poots!"

Yeah, if he can contain his anger after momma & granny snaps then he's game ready!

 

[andyh64000]

Apparently we are going to give up 42 points.

"I have a feeling we blow the Seahawks out! Maye Maye will be in his elements more favorable weather: also Sam Darnold could lose those Cinderella glass slippers. Darnold is due for a Stinker. Our Defense is just too good right now: now fly zone Carlton Davis Jr is playing very well" there's no Offense we can't shut down. Also with Barefoot back in the fold we have a very healthy Offense: wouldn't shock me if we put up 42 on them."

 

[Ostatehawk]

I’d say it doesn’t given their winning 16 of the past 17. Any more than Seattle’s losses matter.

NE was missing a few key guys for a month near the end of the season, but they’re pretty much all back. Although now we’re hearing that Maye’s on the injured list.

I think this will be a defensive Super Bowl, 23-20 type of game. Bet the under. Many punts and field goals, and any turnovers critical. It’s not gonna be a track meet.

How many sacks did you O line give up this year?

Asking for a friend.

 

[Seahawkfan80]

"...and your granny has radioactive poots!"

Yeah, if he can contain his anger after momma & granny snaps then he's game ready!

And his grampa wears dresses....

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

They are super leaning in to the no one is giving us a shot/underdog stuff. Them and their 6 championships of course

 

[Gametime]

NE faced and beat most of the top defenses in the league, even though some of those teams didn’t have winning records. They beat Buffalo and Tampa on the road when both of those teams were playing well. They’re 3-0 in the playoffs and 9-0 on the road. They’re top 5 in just about everything. But yeah, some of the teams they beat had very poor winning percentages so the SOS is low.

3-0 in the playoffs and undefeated on the road are both solid accomplishments. Both our teams should be extremely proud of the seasons they have had and both have bright bright futures so cheers to that!

A few things you stated I'd like to dig into. Those teams that helped the Pat's rank top 5 in "just about everything" had very poor winning percentages......... because they weren't good football teams. When you play bad teams constantly your statistical rank will tend to be better overall. It's not the Pat's fault by any means but the statistical rankings of your team and quality of opponents those stats were against are mathematically related so you can't really claim one and not acknowledge the other.

Taking the Texans game as a case study in "beating a top defense"

NE scored 3 offensive TD's vs the Texans: (They had one pick 6)
17 total plays, 176 yards total (not counting a 17 yard PI)
1) 6 plays, 66 yards
2) 5 plays, 56 yards
3) 6 plays, 71 yards (17 yard PI on the drive)

There were some solid explosive plays in those drives to be sure so I'm not taking anything away from these. Pat's have some playmakers and Maye has some raw talent that is hard to game plan against. Not denying that.

However,

The rest of the Pat's offensive drives that "beat" the Texans great defense?

11 drives, 45 plays, 74 total yards, 3 turn overs, and zero points.................

To me that really isn't "beating" a top defense? Texans turned it over 5 times. That's why they lost. If this is the measure of beating a great defense and I keep hearing about NE's great defense then doesn't the fact that the Texans with 5 TO's still had more first downs and only 7 less total yards than NE in that game mean that your defense is also very beatable?

There are some other trends I'd be very worried about such as 15 sacks allowed in the playoffs facing the NFL leader in pressure rate but there's too much to get into for one post. Just a few of my thoughts on the game. It should be a fun one!

 

[Bobblehead]

here's a good one.. teams that have to travel east have a worse record than teams traveling west....SMH

 

[50yrpatsfan]

The other big difference I see is we protect the passer, and get after the opposing QB. The Patriots struggle to do both.

Defensively, we had 47 regular season sacks, tied with Houston and the Rams for seventh place. The Patriots? 35 sacks on defense, tied for 22nd place with a few other teams.

Offensive sacks allowed? The Broncos and Rams were the class of the league, allowing only 23 each. However, we only allowed 27, tied for fifth in this metric with the 49ers. The Patriots got Drake Maye beat to death, allowing FORTY EIGHT. And they've been even worse at this in the playoffs.

They gave up a lot of sacks but most were for 3-4 yards, not damaging. This was a 4-win team last year, the OL has 2 rookie starters, and both of them missed 5-6 weeks in the 2nd half of the season. Still managed to win 16 of their last 17 so it wasn’t nearly as bad as the sack stat suggests.
Most of the sacks were edge rushers esp with the Chargers and Texans who both have great ones. Pats stabilized that vs Denver, and Seattle doesn’t have the edge rushers of those 3 teams. Our OL will do ok, and Maye has become Mahomes-like at evading pressure. Stephenson is also one of the best RB pass protectors in the league.
A bigger concern is how well we run the ball, which is a concern for the Seahawks offense too.

 

[hawkfan68]

Another fact - The Seahawks are 5-0 vs AFC teams this season.
Beat the Steelers, Jags, Texans, Colts, and Titans. 3 of those were playoff teams and the Colts were the one of the top teams in the AFC for a large part of the season.

 

[hawkfan68]

They gave up a lot of sacks but most were for 3-4 yards, not damaging. This was a 4-win team last year, the OL has 2 rookie starters, and both of them missed 5-6 weeks in the 2nd half of the season. Still managed to win 16 of their last 17 so it wasn’t nearly as bad as the sack stat suggests.
Most of the sacks were edge rushers esp with the Chargers and Texans who both have great ones. Pats stabilized that vs Denver, and Seattle doesn’t have the edge rushers of those 3 teams. Our OL will do ok, and Maye has become Mahomes-like at evading pressure. Stephenson is also one of the best RB pass protectors in the league.
A bigger concern is how well we run the ball, which is a concern for the Seahawks offense too.

More facts for you - The Seahawks defense have held Christian McCaffrey, Bijan Robinson, and Jonathan Taylor under 100 yards rushing in the games they played. Shouldn't have trouble stopping the Patriots run game if the Seahawks bring their A game.