Offseason thread if you still have a soul

[Chapow]

It will never happen but I would to see for just 1 year what Jerry could with an open checkbook. He may screw it up completely but we will truly never know with this ownership group. I want to give Jerry the benefit of the doubt. And maybe I'm wrong but he hasn't exactly been given a large amount of resources to work with

The problem is, he's done a really poor job with the resources that he does have to work with the past 2 off seasons.

I posted this last August in this forum,

"2024 contracts,

Teo - $23.5 mil
Geno - $11 mil
Kelenic - $760,000
Total - $35.26 mil

Haniger - $19 mil
Garver - $11.5 mil
Polanco - $10.5 mil
Urias - $5 mil
Total - $46 mil

Not only did Dipoto make this team significantly worse with the moves he made last off season, he paid considerably more to do it. It's astonishing how badly he botched it. Just a complete disaster."

That's what DiPoto did with $46 million last off season. He spent it on Haniger, Garver, Polanco, and Urias after letting go of Teo, Geno, and Kelenic (who would have cost the M's significantly less).

Now he's paid twice as much for Polanco as he could have just re-signed Rojas for. Polanco was only a little worse than Rojas as a hitter, but he was far, far worse on defense, and that's kind of a big deal at "the hot corner".

 

[Goldfinger 007]

They're bringing Polanco back... to play 3rd base.

https://www.mlb.com/news/jorge-polanco-mariners-free-agent-contract

So they let Rojas go, who admittedly was a below average hitter (but still better than Polanco), but was very good on defense at 3rd base, to sign Polanco, who was the worst defensive 2nd basemen in MLB last year and was also a horrible hitter.

From the article,


Here's the really special part. They're paying Polanco double what Rojas signed for.

Rojas signed a 1 year deal with the White Sox for $3.5 million.

The Mariners signed Polanco for 1 year for $7.75 million.

So to summarize, the Mariners got much worse on defense at 3rd base, got worse on offense, and they're paying more than double what it would have cost to just re-sign Rojas.

I understand that Stanton is a big part of the problem, but people need to wake the F up and realize that DiPoto is a huge problem as well. Last offseason, DiPoto payed more for Garver, Haniger, and Polanco than it would have cost to just keep Teo, Geno, and Kelenic. Now he's paying more to make the team worse again. These moves aren't an issue of the owner being cheap. These moves are an issue of the GM being an incompetent moron.

Jerry the DiBozo delivering yet another off-season where the talent on the roster doesn't get better. He continues with horrendous roster construction. Polanco was SO bad for the M's. If you can't hit, this wants you bad.

 

[IndyHawk]

I'm excited for this season with Wilson leading the team and Edgar's
influence on the offense.
The minors plan should start this season as well.. Nobody can keep up
with the Dodgers, Mets or the Yanks in buying up a mega team.

 

[NoGain]

For, I believe, the third time in the last four weeks a column critical of the M's ownership and front office (mostly ownership) has appeared on the front page of the Sunday Seattle Times, two columns by Matt Calkins, and one column by Ryan Divish. Today's column by Matt Calkins was entitled "If M's roster is set, it's hard to say they got better".

He writes: "But this isn't about one offseason. It's about an incessant trend in which the M's are in the bottom half of the league's payroll and, barring one run in 2022, are regularly left out of the post-season picture.

Maybe this year will be different...This Mariners squad should be able to compete.

That isn't enough for this town anymore, though. The fans here want a banner. If the roster is set, it's hard to say the M's moved any closer to hanging one."

You can't say that all of the Seattle sports media has turned a blind eye to the frustrating lack of money and effort to round out the roster into a WS competitive one, in spite of having a top of the league pitching staff and a few all stars positional players.

 

[Goldfinger 007]

For, I believe, the third time in the last four weeks a column critical of the M's ownership and front office (mostly ownership) has appeared on the front page of the Sunday Seattle Times, two columns by Matt Calkins, and one column by Ryan Divish. Today's column by Matt Calkins was entitled "If M's roster is set, it's hard to say they got better".

He writes: "But this isn't about one offseason. It's about an incessant trend in which the M's are in the bottom half of the league's payroll and, barring one run in 2022, are regularly left out of the post-season picture.

Maybe this year will be different...This Mariners squad should be able to compete.

That isn't enough for this town anymore, though. The fans here want a banner. If the roster is set, it's hard to say the M's moved any closer to hanging one."

You can't say that all of the Seattle sports media has turned a blind eye to the frustrating lack of money and effort to round out the roster into a WS competitive one, in spite of having a top of the league pitching staff and a few all stars positional players

For, I believe, the third time in the last four weeks a column critical of the M's ownership and front office (mostly ownership) has appeared on the front page of the Sunday Seattle Times, two columns by Matt Calkins, and one column by Ryan Divish. Today's column by Matt Calkins was entitled "If M's roster is set, it's hard to say they got better".

He writes: "But this isn't about one offseason. It's about an incessant trend in which the M's are in the bottom half of the league's payroll and, barring one run in 2022, are regularly left out of the post-season picture.

Maybe this year will be different...This Mariners squad should be able to compete.

That isn't enough for this town anymore, though. The fans here want a banner. If the roster is set, it's hard to say the M's moved any closer to hanging one."

You can't say that all of the Seattle sports media has turned a blind eye to the frustrating lack of money and effort to round out the roster into a WS competitive one, in spite of having a top of the league pitching staff and a few all stars positional players.

Under the leadership of Jerry the DiBozo, the roster is never improved during the off-season, just lateral moves. Genius Jerry will say that acquiring the mediocre Arozarena at the deadline last year was a huge pickup & they had already "completed the heavy lifting". The roster is clearly not better from the end of 2024 going into 2025. Polanco is just terrible & the M's brought him back. Both were desperate for the other.

 

[Sperrydogg]

I literally am starting to not even care. Ownership doesn't care, why should I? And I love baseball. But they don't even try to get better.

It sucks. There’s no reason for this garbage

 

[Loganpatch]

For, I believe, the third time in the last four weeks a column critical of the M's ownership and front office (mostly ownership) has appeared on the front page of the Sunday Seattle Times, two columns by Matt Calkins, and one column by Ryan Divish. Today's column by Matt Calkins was entitled "If M's roster is set, it's hard to say they got better".

He writes: "But this isn't about one offseason. It's about an incessant trend in which the M's are in the bottom half of the league's payroll and, barring one run in 2022, are regularly left out of the post-season picture.

Maybe this year will be different...This Mariners squad should be able to compete.

That isn't enough for this town anymore, though. The fans here want a banner. If the roster is set, it's hard to say the M's moved any closer to hanging one."

You can't say that all of the Seattle sports media has turned a blind eye to the frustrating lack of money and effort to round out the roster into a WS competitive one, in spite of having a top of the league pitching staff and a few all stars positional players.

Thing is....."fans" will still show up. They'll make a profit. Too many soccer moms and socialites who go because it's the cool thing to do. I stopped giving this organization my money around 4 seasons ago. This team, i love, but the FO can go f**k itself.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Many will, not all. I went to ONE game last year and only because it was free.

 

[beastalamode]

I'm excited for this season with Wilson leading the team and Edgar's
influence on the offense.
The minors plan should start this season as well.. Nobody can keep up
with the Dodgers, Mets or the Yanks in buying up a mega team.

HOW can you be excited for this season while also admitting there's 3 teams that are way better than the m's? MINORS PLAN? LOL! Whats the plan when one of those guys blossom into a good player and they want a decent contract?

 

[IndyHawk]

HOW can you be excited for this season while also admitting there's 3 teams that are way better than the m's? MINORS PLAN? LOL! Whats the plan when one of those guys blossom into a good player and they want a decent contract?

JD said the Ms will Resign their own players first instead of paying for big FAs from
the outside.
That doesn't mean they never will btw.
I posted the article a couple different times outlining their plan which is to build up
their team from ground up to where they come in together-much like the Yankees
did with Jeter and company.
So, I'm on board with that plan instead of trying to keep with the 3-5 teams in baseball
that will outspend any of the other teams outside of them by a hundred(s) of millions.
I mean look at the Dodgers, Mets and Yankees..
There is no way mid to small market teams can compete money wise with them period.
Call me crazy but that plan is the only way we are getting anywhere in my opinion.

 

[Sperrydogg]

HOW can you be excited for this season while also admitting there's 3 teams that are way better than the m's? MINORS PLAN? LOL! Whats the plan when one of those guys blossom into a good player and they want a decent contract?

Right, or it comes time to resign them and they say peace out hippies

 

[Sperrydogg]

JD said the Ms will Resign their own players first instead of paying for big FAs from
the outside.
That doesn't mean they never will btw.
I posted the article a couple different times outlining their plan which is to build up
their team from ground up to where they come in together-much like the Yankees
did with Jeter and company.
So, I'm on board with that plan instead of trying to keep with the 3-5 teams in baseball
that will outspend any of the other teams outside of them by a hundred(s) of millions.
I mean look at the Dodgers, Mets and Yankees..
There is no way mid to small market teams can compete money wise with them period.
Call me crazy but that plan is the only way we are getting anywhere in my opinion.

We better start seeing some youth make this team then. Jerry has been her for a decade, how much youth has he really grown? Julio? He almost doesn’t count cause he just appeared. We trade for young players and draft guys but nothing pans out. If it wasn’t for this gawdawful stadium our pitching would be mid grade too

 

[IndyHawk]

We better start seeing some youth make this team then. Jerry has been her for a decade, how much youth has he really grown? Julio? He almost doesn’t count cause he just appeared. We trade for young players and draft guys but nothing pans out. If it wasn’t for this gawdawful stadium our pitching would be mid grade too

Julio was an IFA just like Montes and a few others in the M's farm system.
We draft and use the IFA well, but it does take time to bear fruit.
Robles came in a trade; does it matter how we get the guys?
I'm looking at the bigger picture and it gets clear by the day.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Julio was an IFA just like Montes and a few others in the M's farm system.
We draft and use the IFA well, but it does take time to bear fruit.
Robles came in a trade; does it matter how we get the guys?
I'm looking at the bigger picture and it gets clear by the day.

Robles was luck and the mariners did not make Julio. After a decade that’s what we got? A pitchers ball park, Julio and Robles…. Better give dipstick an extension before we lose him

 

[IndyHawk]

Robles was luck and the mariners did not make Julio. After a decade that’s what we got? A pitchers ball park, Julio and Robles…. Better give dipstick an extension before we lose him

In the next 2-3 years I want you to eat the crow if this goes like I envision it.
Robles was luck, he was a number one draft pick like 4 years prior.
The Ms unlocked him, so I'd say that counts for something.

 

[Sperrydogg]

In the next 2-3 years I want you to eat the crow if this goes like I envision it.
Robles was luck, he was a number one draft pick like 4 years prior.
The Ms unlocked him, so I'd say that counts for something.

We’ll see how Robles does this year, but the Ms got lucky to pick him up off the street. And I still think we should have more. If we could get just one middle infield rookie to come up here I would be happy

 

[Sperrydogg]

In the next 2-3 years I want you to eat the crow if this goes like I envision it.
Robles was luck, he was a number one draft pick like 4 years prior.
The Ms unlocked him, so I'd say that counts for something.

I am almost certain we will trade anyone who gets close to the show for a middle reliever and Abraham toro

 

[Loganpatch]

In the next 2-3 years I want you to eat the crow if this goes like I envision it.
Robles was luck, he was a number one draft pick like 4 years prior.
The Ms unlocked him, so I'd say that counts for something.

you are smoking some serious crap there if you think this team will be anything other than a fringe playoff team

In the next 2-3 years I want you to eat the crow if this goes like I envision it.
Robles was luck, he was a number one draft pick like 4 years prior.
The Ms unlocked him, so I'd say that counts for something.

so, do you think the M's are going to be anything other than a .500 ball club?

 

[Sperrydogg]

Hahaha dipstick said “you you know, there’s a reason our pitchers were good at home”

Idiot

Yeah there is

The worst part about dipstick is his whole personality. Condescending brainiac. Plus he will trade a veteran without blinking. Who would choose him for a boss….

 

[beastalamode]

Jerry's gaslighting. Hey Indy, they're a bottom half payroll, remember when Stanton lied to us and said he would spend money when the team had a window? How do you live with yourself supporting liars like that?