Now you need a legitimate dual threat QB…

[Wsumatt1982]

But he does take off when needed and almost every game will have at least 1-2 drive extending plays. This is a part of Geno’s game that he really needs to work on

He does. That’s considered mobile. Not dual threat

 

[Ozzy]

He does. That’s considered mobile. Not dual threat

Like I said, conceding the argument on Mahomes. I still think it doesn’t take away from the point that a dual threat QB is the best path in today’s NFL. The one outlier is arguably the best QB in history. I’d rather take my chances by developing a dual threat guy then holding out hope that my statue is the best Brady or Mahomes.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

Like I said, conceding the argument on Mahomes. I still think it doesn’t take away from the point that a dual threat QB is the best path in today’s NFL. The one outlier is arguably the best QB in history. I’d rather take my chances by developing a dual threat guy then holding out hope that my statue is the best Brady or Mahomes.

I agree.

 

[Grahamhawker]

Having a dual threat QB has always been an advantage at any level of football. It's just where do you find the balance point in the big league? Running QB injury concerns have always been a big factor at the NFL level and likely always will be. Just look at QB rush yards at all levels up to the NFL. Some of these guys appear to be breaking the mold when it comes to running and passing, and yeah it's a huge advantage and will remain so, but recency bias may be at play here. You can win with a Goff or a Mahomes just as you can a Hurts, Lamar or Allen. What did the Eags produce when Hurts was out this year? Or the Ravens without Lamar the past few seasons? So yeah, DTQB is a huge advantage until it's not. When you have $$50 mil on your bench it gets harder to justify.

 

[Ozzy]

Having a dual threat QB has always been an advantage at any level of football. It's just where do you find the balance point in the big league? Running QB injury concerns have always been a big factor at the NFL level and likely always will be. Just look at QB rush yards at all levels up to the NFL. Some of these guys appear to be breaking the mold when it comes to running and passing, and yeah it's a huge advantage and will remain so, but recency bias may be at play here. You can win with a Goff or a Mahomes just as you can a Hurts, Lamar or Allen. What did the Eags produce when Hurts was out this year? Or the Ravens without Lamar the past few seasons? So yeah, DTQB is a huge advantage until it's not. When you have $$50 mil on your bench it gets harder to justify.

Very good point. Even Daniels this year took some hits that were scary. We were spoiled with Russ because one of his greatest strengths was his ability to avoid contact.

If I was building a team though, even with the risks, it does seem to be the easiest path imo. I wouldn't pass on a special pocket guy but I would lean towards a more mobile running guy.

 

[Fresno Hawk]

I seen Burrow, Stafford run alot this year. Whether because they needed to or because of the pass pro breaking down they did it effectively. And the other young Guys Nix, Williams, Stroud, Herbert, Purdy all showing that if you leave a lane for them they are going to take it. Showing the ability to gain positive yardage by a QB is very hard to contain. When Geno ran this year he was lights out. I wish he was more willing to do so.

 

[m0ng0]

I think someone like Russ, who could run as a secondary option is all we need. Throw from the pocket FIRST, and if things break down have enough wheels to escape trouble
We don't need a Lamar Jackson type just enough to get out of trouble.

 

[Fernie Hawks Fan]

I think someone like Russ, who could run as a secondary option is all we need. Throw from the pocket FIRST, and if things break down have enough wheels to escape trouble
We don't need a Lamar Jackson type just enough to get out of trouble.

This could also be a reflection on his incentives...running doesn't add to his passing yards.

 

[bileever]

Interesting issue. I agree that a dual threat QB puts a lot of pressure on the defense and is harder to stop. But I'm not ready to say that you can't win a Super Bowl with a Goff, Stafford or Burrow.

We haven't seen any major injuries recently, but that is the other issue with the dual threat QB. He's exposed to far more opportunities for injury. One hit and your season could be over. (Plenty of pocket passers get hurt, but running adds more risk to the equation.)

 

[Wsumatt1982]

Interesting issue. I agree that a dual threat QB puts a lot of pressure on the defense and is harder to stop. But I'm not ready to say that you can't win a Super Bowl with a Goff, Stafford or Burrow.

We haven't seen any major injuries recently, but that is the other issue with the dual threat QB. He's exposed to far more opportunities for injury. One hit and your season could be over. (Plenty of pocket passers get hurt, but running adds more risk to the equation.)

I 100% agree. I think the best way to go is just a mobile QB. Someone who can escape pressure and run when it all breaks down. You don't need a dual-threat QB where you have many designed runs and RPO's specifically for the QB. There are pro's and con's to either side but it adds more risk then your QB is also a RB and going to take more shots than necessary

 

[strohmin]

Teams left standing in the end always seem to have a great qb...the days of getting to a super bowl with the likes of Dilfer Johnson and Wilson look to be over.

I would still take Wilson before he got fat. If I had Wilson in his first 2 years and his willingness to take the checkdowns he takes now, Id take that in a heart beat. Wilson was definitely an elite QB before he got fat.

 

[flv2]

The list of QBs who have played in the Super Bowl within in the past 10 years shows you can win a Super Bowl without a specific stereotype QB.

 

[jammerhawk]

It's interesting that the SF away game W was Gee-No's best game last season and he used his legs in that game to get the final score and the W. He does however prefer to play from the shotgun hardly ever runs even when it is obvious and whigs out if he gets "rubbed" too often then losing his composure. In fact almost any hit takes him out of his game.

He is a QB with a good to great arm but is capable of being 'got to' mentally (headcase) and taken out of the game or is less effective. We've seen his best and while he is a capable QB he is NOT worth giving a big contract to or paying him $30,000,000 plus per season. His cap number for this upcoming season is according to OTC.com $44,500,000. Letting him go results in a cap saving which straightens out the cap deficit of >$27,000,000. while only leaving $13.5 mil. in dead money. Unless things change significantly I see Geno as a cap casualty.

 

[chris98251]

It's interesting that the SF away game W was Gee-No's best game last season and he used his legs in that game to get the final score and the W. He does however prefer to play from the shotgun hardly ever runs even when it is obvious and whigs out if he gets "rubbed" too often then losing his composure. In fact almost any hit takes him out of his game.

He is a QB with a good to great arm but is capable of being 'got to' mentally (headcase) and taken out of the game or is less effective. We've seen his best and while he is a capable QB he is NOT worth giving a big contract to or paying him $30,000,000 plus per season. His cap number for this upcoming season is according to OTC.com $44,500,000. Letting him go results in a cap saving which straightens out the cap deficit of >$27,000,000. while only leaving $13.5 mil. in dead money. Unless things change significantly I see Geno as a cap casualty.

I disagree, when I have seen him lose composure has been when guys try to take his knees out or take a head shot, more so when no flag thrown.

 

[Ozzy]

Interesting issue. I agree that a dual threat QB puts a lot of pressure on the defense and is harder to stop. But I'm not ready to say that you can't win a Super Bowl with a Goff, Stafford or Burrow.

We haven't seen any major injuries recently, but that is the other issue with the dual threat QB. He's exposed to far more opportunities for injury. One hit and your season could be over. (Plenty of pocket passers get hurt, but running adds more risk to the equation.)

Oh for sure. I'm in the dual threat camp but if I had a Burrow for example I would feel pretty good about my chances if everything else is in order.

 

[SeaWolv]

For fun go look up his stats that SB year. It will surprise people

Not sure what you're getting at but he threw for 3,357 yards 26 TDs and 9 INTs and 407 yds rushing.

 

[retro74]

Geno would be good with a top 10 OL. However when it breaks down he doesn’t seem to recognise the problem until he’s dumped on his backside

Just scramble a few yards, you’re still quick enough

 

[SoulfishHawk]

But would he be clutch? Honest question.

 

[keasley45]

Until we fix the Oline and get a running QB that can sling it. Seattle will be an "also ran". never thought that would be true but it seems to be the way the league has evolved. I don't think a pocket QB is going to get it done anymore. Thoughts?

I dont think you need a running QB. You need a mobile qb who is skilled at evading preesure in the pocket, and you need a qb who can occassionally break the pocket and get yards. But i dont think we need a L Jackson or J Daniels type who can run for 800 yards a season to be successful.

I mean, Detroit was the odds on favorite to win the shole thing and they have Jared Goff - the poster child for 'not mobile'. They didnt lose the game because Goff couldnt carry them with his legs. They lost it because he has HISTORICALLY not been great under pressure. And ... they list becaise their defense was always suspect.

If you dont have a guy that can threaten a team with his legs as a bonafide duel threat runner, but he processes the field quickly and knows where to go with the ball AND you have an OC who knows the game, you will do fine and can be a championship team.

In Seattle, Kubiak needs to consider building in some designed runs for the qb or have Geno keep the ball on RPO's. A little bit of him getting up-field would do wonders to keep defenses off balance.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

This ^^