Now you need a legitimate dual threat QB…

[Chukarhawk]

…To be a legitimate playoff contender…

Until we fix the Oline and get a running QB that can sling it. Seattle will be an "also ran". never thought that would be true but it seems to be the way the league has evolved. I don't think a pocket QB is going to get it done anymore. Thoughts?

 

[Cyrus12]

Until we fix the Oline and get a running QB that can sling it. Seattle will be an "also ran". never thought that would be true but it seems to be the way the league has evolved. I don't think a pocket QB is going to get it done anymore. Thoughts?

Teams left standing in the end always seem to have a great qb...the days of getting to a super bowl with the likes of Dilfer Johnson and Wilson look to be over.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

I disagree. Just need a “mobile” QB. Not necessarily a dual threat as the thread suggests. I don’t count mahomes as a dual threat and he does fine

 

[Cyrus12]

A pocket qb could still thrive if they have a great oline. Brady and Manning were statues...

 

[Fresno Hawk]

I agree, the days of pocket passers are over. Now days QBs that take matters into their own hands and go for in by running are the new generation. Seahawks need one now if they want to compete.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Teams left standing in the end always seem to have a great qb...the days of getting to a super bowl with the likes of Dilfer Johnson and Wilson look to be over.

One of those things are not like the other… Wilson was a legitimate powerhouse in his prime. He had flaws but his elite athletic talent made him a huge threat in his prime

 

[Ozzy]

Teams left standing in the end always seem to have a great qb...the days of getting to a super bowl with the likes of Dilfer Johnson and Wilson look to be over.

lol damn it I’m not going to bite on this….

 

[Ozzy]

One of those things are not like the other… Wilson was a legitimate powerhouse in his prime. He had flaws but his elite athletic talent made him a huge threat in his prime

For fun go look up his stats that SB year. It will surprise people

 

[Ozzy]

I disagree. Just need a “mobile” QB. Not necessarily a dual threat as the thread suggests. I don’t count mahomes as a dual threat and he does fine

But he does take off when needed and almost every game will have at least 1-2 drive extending plays. This is a part of Geno’s game that he really needs to work on

 

[Cyrus12]

lol damn it I’m not going to bite on this….

What? Is it the Dilfer addition? I know he played here and he was a fan fave but cmon...even Geno wins the super bowl on that team...

 

[DarkVictory23]

The best offense in the NFL this year had Jared Goff under center. A weird time to say that being a pocket passer doesn't work anymore.

 

[Cyrus12]

The best offense in the NFL this year had Jared Goff under center. A weird time to say that being a pocket passer doesn't work anymore.

But blew it in game 1 of the playoffs.

 

[James in PA]

The game has definitely changed. Need a mobile QB who is willing to run it regularly.

 

[Ozzy]

But blew it in game 1 of the playoffs.

Yeah seems like a weird point to make when you don’t win a playoff game. 4 last standing quarterbacks are all guys who can run a run a ton. The one who picks his spots is probably the best ever.

Another reason signing a guy in his mid 30’s who refuses to run may not be the best idea moving forward

 

[Mick063]

Unless you are the Eagles. Hurts would flounder on 80% of the other teams. Another Justin Fields. The talented Eagles do a wonderful job of covering their warts.

 

[DarkVictory23]

But blew it in game 1 of the playoffs.

And? The title was 'to be a playoff team'. They were the #1 seed, for heaven's sake.

The NFL playoffs are fun because every team can lose at any time. It's a single game sample size. If the team that was able to most reliably be a good offense all year long had one of the most immobile QBs in the league, that's a pretty good indication that you don't 'need' a dual threat QB.

Yes, 3 of the top 5 QBs at generating yards with their feet made the playoffs this year, but so did 2 of the bottom 5. The spread of where the QBs who made the playoffs this year is all over this ranking from top to bottom.

You've got the guys like Daniels and Hurts who are almost more dangerous with their legs. You've got Lamar and Josh Allen who are real dual threat guys but are disciplined in looking for the pass. You've got guys like Herbert and Mayfield who can and do run (and for some tough yards) but are definitely pass first guys. You've got Mahomes, Stroud, and Darnold who will make things happen when the moment strikes but are generally pocket passers. And you've got the guys who rarely leave the pocket like Love and two absolute statues in Goff and Stafford.

Literally the entire gamut of playstyle you can get from your QB made the playoffs this year. Given that, it's weird to try and single out one 'style' as what you need to make the playoffs.

 

[chris98251]

Wow, a big statement that looks wrong to me, Mahomes can run but is not a dual threat, Geno can run as well but is not a dual threat, I think this statement is due to current success and a flavor of the month outlook. They stars have aligned right now, you still need a good defense, a good offense and a decent run threat as well as a passing attack to compliment it or vice versa, the offense goes thru a good or better QB, running is a bonus, how did the Ravens do? they got to the dance but fissed out for other reasons like a defense even with a running QB against a QB that selects to run more then designed plays to do so.

The Running threat has become more successful in my view due to the lack of O line developed coming into the league. Hard to assemble a complete line anymore.

 

[themunn]

But he does take off when needed and almost every game will have at least 1-2 drive extending plays. This is a part of Geno’s game that he really needs to work on

Patrick Mahomes in 2024 had 58 rushing attempts which he converted for 22 first downs, while Geno had 53 rushing attempts which he converted for 19 first downs.

2023 Geno's numbers were well down while Mahomes had 27 first downs - but recall he was dealing with a knee injury for most of the season following the Ravens games.

2022 he had 24 first downs vs Mahomes 25.

So doesn't sound like he is much of an outlier to me.

 

[Rat]

Hurts would probably be ours if a certain diva QB hadnt had a no-trade clause.

 

[Ozzy]

Patrick Mahomes in 2024 had 58 rushing attempts which he converted for 22 first downs, while Geno had 53 rushing attempts which he converted for 19 first downs.

2023 Geno's numbers were well down while Mahomes had 27 first downs - but recall he was dealing with a knee injury for most of the season following the Ravens games.

2022 he had 24 first downs vs Mahomes 25.

So doesn't sound like he is much of an outlier to me.

It’s the timing of Mahomes rushes that seem to be critical. But even for sake of argument in today’s NFL, it seems like unless you have possibly the best QB in history you need a dual thread QB.

Daniels, Allen, Hurts are all really good running QB. The other guy with the best best chance to make a SB was probably Lamar.

Still think the way the game is played today it’s much tougher with a non mobile QB.