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Pete will have a shot, especially if the Hawks win another Super Bowl, and if they look at his work as a DBs coach and coordinator in addition to HC. There are already some who consider him one of the best DB coaches ever.
 

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Hutchinson was the best OG in football for a good 5 seasons, he will be next.

Outside chance for the older guys, but have plenty of competition competing for 2 spots.
 

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andyh64000":1wnox3st said:
Steve2222":1wnox3st said:
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What 4 years was he the best HB? I'd argue he was the best HB in 2014. The year Beast was first team all pro, 2012, was the same year Adrian Peterson was NFL MVP and 9 yards shy of the all time single season rushing record.

For the entire stretch from 2011-2014 he was the best running back in football. Someone may have had a better season during that period but nobody was better for the entire period.

Yeah that's definitely your homerism coming out

Who was better?

Well off the top of my head, Adrian Peterson. I don't think your realize how special his 2012 season was. He single handedly carried his team to the playoffs. He was playing behind an average OL, and his QB was Christian F'ing Ponder. Teams knew all the Viks could do was run the ball and he still almost broke the yardage record. To put that into perspective look at what Todd Gurley did last year in LA being the only focal point of an offense. He didn't even rush for 1000 yards.

Say what you will about Wilson, but Marshawn Lynch was more positively affected by playing alongside Wilson than Wilson was playing alongside Marshawn. Look at Lynchs career stats from 2012-2014 compared to the rest of his career. His numbers are better across the board those years. If AD played with Wilson, AD played for the Seahawks in 2012, he could have probably hits 2500+ yards rushing.

Marshawn was definitely a Top 3 back during that timeframe though. I just don't think you can definitively say he was indeed the best.
 

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Shaun Alexander and Jeff Feagles deserves to be in.
I like Warden bringing up Holmgren. He deserves a shot too
 

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Steve2222":1d4vabnr said:
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For the entire stretch from 2011-2014 he was the best running back in football. Someone may have had a better season during that period but nobody was better for the entire period.

Yeah that's definitely your homerism coming out

Who was better?

Well off the top of my head, Adrian Peterson. I don't think your realize how special his 2012 season was. He single handedly carried his team to the playoffs. He was playing behind an average OL, and his QB was Christian F'ing Ponder. Teams knew all the Viks could do was run the ball and he still almost broke the yardage record. To put that into perspective look at what Todd Gurley did last year in LA being the only focal point of an offense. He didn't even rush for 1000 yards.

Say what you will about Wilson, but Marshawn Lynch was more positively affected by playing alongside Wilson than Wilson was playing alongside Marshawn. Look at Lynchs career stats from 2012-2014 compared to the rest of his career. His numbers are better across the board those years. If AD played with Wilson, AD played for the Seahawks in 2012, he could have probably hits 2500+ yards rushing.

Marshawn was definitely a Top 3 back during that timeframe though. I just don't think you can definitively say he was indeed the best.

Really? So you think over the 4 year period

that this
Att Yards TD
208 970 12
348 2,097 12
279 1,266 10
21 75 0

is better than this?
285 1,204 12
315 1,590 11
301 1,257 12
280 1,306 13
 

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Steve2222":25qlws1k said:
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Since Terrell Davis got in it improves Marshawn Lynch's chances considerably.


TD was a Super Bowl MVP, Regular season MVP, 2x Super Bowl champ, and 2,000 yard single season rusher. That's why he's in.

If Marshawn can hit that 10,000 rush yard milestone, he probably will get in. But then again, a guy like Corey Dillon who rushed for 11k+ and 80+ TDs, won a Super Bowl, is not in the HoF.

How'd Earl Campbell do on your 10,000 yard threshold test? Lynch will be in whether he runs for 1000 this year or gets hurt in camp and retires for good. The Hall is not about pure collective numbers as you've been implying-it's about a dominance in the league, even if for a relatively short timeframe and winning. Lynch was the dominant power back in this league for a 5 year +/- period, and without him, our Hawks don't win the SB and don't make another.

For your assertion that Lynch relied upon Wilson for his success is nonsense. Their unique skills complemented the O as a whole to make it work. The fact Lynch ran for over 1000 in a crummy Buffalo O speaks volumes.

The eye test frequently trumps raw number data for Hall entry and regarding pure stats, again check out Earl Campbell's career-very similar to Lynch and he never made a SB but both were the premier power backs of their era.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... mpEa00.htm
 

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lol I'm not saying Lynch won't make it. I'm just saying 10,000 isn't a magic number. Again, Corey Dillon isn't in the hall of fame and he had 11,000 yards.

And again, AD has the elusive MVP crown to his resume as well as the second best rushing season ever, and almost a 5.0 YPC average for his career. ADs numbers are going to be scewed compared to Marshawns due to AD being the only thing worthwhile on the offense he played for during that 2011-2014 stretch.

I'm not saying Marshawn was the best or not. He was a Top 3 back for that four year period for sure though.
 

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West TX Hawk":1f24npr7 said:
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Since Terrell Davis got in it improves Marshawn Lynch's chances considerably.


TD was a Super Bowl MVP, Regular season MVP, 2x Super Bowl champ, and 2,000 yard single season rusher. That's why he's in.

If Marshawn can hit that 10,000 rush yard milestone, he probably will get in. But then again, a guy like Corey Dillon who rushed for 11k+ and 80+ TDs, won a Super Bowl, is not in the HoF.

How'd Earl Campbell do on your 10,000 yard threshold test? Lynch will be in whether he runs for 1000 this year or gets hurt in camp and retires for good. The Hall is not about pure collective numbers as you've been implying-it's about a dominance in the league, even if for a relatively short timeframe and winning. Lynch was the dominant power back in this league for a 5 year +/- period, and without him, our Hawks don't win the SB and don't make another.

For your assertion that Lynch relied upon Wilson for his success is nonsense. Their unique skills complemented the O as a whole to make it work. The fact Lynch ran for over 1000 in a crummy Buffalo O speaks volumes.

The eye test frequently trumps raw number data for Hall entry and regarding pure stats, again check out Earl Campbell's career-very similar to Lynch and he never made a SB but both were the premier power backs of their era.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... mpEa00.htm

Marshawn Lynch greatly benefited playing in the read option with Russell. The stats and analytics support it compared to seasons without him.

I love Marshawn and think he will one day get in if he has a solid season or two in Oakland. Right now his body of work isn't quite there yet. I'm looking this through a non Seahawks fan lens.
 

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I think Lynch will be next. After the Hawks win the Super Bowl this year, guys like Russ, Earl, Kam, and Sherm will be for sure HOF'ers, with Baldwin and Graham having outside shots.

But if Lynch is selected, would he go in as a Seahawk?
 

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Only baseball players go in with a team because they wear a hat on their plaques. NFL hall of fame they just list all the teams they played for (hence why we get credit for Carl Eller, Franco Harris, Warren Moon, and Jerry Rice). Better question is will he be remembered as a Seahawk, and unless he has a resurgence in Oakland also winning a Super Bowl, the answer is, he will be remembered as a Seahawk.
 

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Lynch then Hutch. Of the current roster whichever of the LOB that retires first.

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Lynch then Hutch. Of the current roster whichever of the LOB that retires first.

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I think only Bobby, Earl and Sherm have a shot at first ballot. Kam will probably have to wait sometime if he gets inducted.
 

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I don't think Shaun ever gets in. Lynch is a definite maybe. He would obviously be the next if he gets in given that he'll be eligible before anyone else. I think of the current crop, Kam is likely to be retired the soonest given the physical nature of his play and I think he gets in without much fuss (not necessarily first ballot but fairly soon).
 

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Hutchison but Holmgren may have a shout. The fact that Tony Dungy is in as a coach ahead of him probably gives him and jimmy johnson a decent chance in the future.
 

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Sherman
Thomas
Chancellor
Wilson
Lynch (maybe)
 

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Sherman
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Lynch (maybe)
The question is who would be next not who will be in sir. My opinion is Lynch because of Davis. Otherwise he'd never be in. Unless you're foolish enough to believe it's 2013 on a run first team? He has a small chance to be in if Derek Carr is actually Russell Wilson level, prove it honey is my thought. Oakland isn't a run focused team. They are about Carr on offense. Thank you for Reece you dummies by the way.
 

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