Micah Parsons *possible* trade incoming?

[RolandDeschain]

The problem is that in my line of work no greenhorn is gonna get paid more, ever. Unless they can step in and do my job, then I’d gladly pay him cause that kinda talent is hard to find. The nfl rookies are valuable because of what they MIGHT become. When rookies got massive contracts we had things like Ryan Leaf

There are plenty of exceptions, but my point stands. Paying "top dollar by industry standards" for someone who may be great or may suck and you won't possibly know either up front, or even soon, which it is - is ridiculous.

 

[Chukarhawk]

zero shot he ends up anywhere but Dallas. Its not even worth talking about.

 

[NoGain]

The chances he ends up somewhere other than Dallas between now and the start of next season is not zero, it seems to me.

 

[Sperrydogg]

There are plenty of exceptions, but my point stands. Paying "top dollar by industry standards" for someone who may be great or may suck and you won't possibly know either up front, or even soon, which it is - is ridiculous.

Agreed. Crazy how it’s reality though

 

[IndyHawk]

My guess is that Parsons would be worth way more than the money he'd make if the Cowboys put that first franchise tag on him. Without the franchise tag, Parsons would have a lot more leverage than he currently has in this soap opera now.

A player like him never actually plays the season under it, as it's
more of a tool to buy more time for the new contract which is way
cheaper to do with cap tools such as this much up front ect ect.

 

[IndyHawk]

The Cowboys agreed to pick up the fifth year option.

I know, that's their choice under the rookie contract
and after he plays under that 5th year, they can Franchise
him twice but most teams never let it come to actually using
the franchise tag.

 

[NoGain]

The owners would like for nothing more than to pay these players a lot less than they do and stuff their pockets with bigger profits while watching the value of their franchises go up and up and up, these players who are the very source of their incomes and rising net worths.

Now if you want to bring the fans and the lives of the general public into the equation in comparison, that's a completely different discussion. Generally speaking, I may take the side of the players over the owners the majority of the time, but I take the side of the fans over both of them. I think the entire league exploits the average fans love of the game and milks it for all they can, as do all the entities directly or indirectly associated with the league. For me personally, I try to keep my being milked in such a way to a minimum, and continue to enjoy my love of the game at such a minimal financial cost to me.

 

[RolandDeschain]

The owners would like for nothing more than to pay these players a lot less than they do and stuff their pockets with bigger profits while watching the value of their franchises go up and up and up, these players who are the very source of their incomes and rising net worths.

Now if you want to bring the fans and the lives of the general public into the equation in comparison, that's a completely different discussion. Generally speaking, I may take the side of the players over the owners the majority of the time, but I take the side of the fans over both of them. I think the entire league exploits the average fans love of the game and milks it for all they can, as do all the entities directly or indirectly associated with the league. For me personally, I try to keep my being milked in such a way to a minimum, and continue to enjoy my love of the game at such a minimal financial cost to me.

Business 101. This behavior is millennia-old in humans, unfortunately; I don't see it changing anytime soon.

 

[Hollandhawk]

I got to agree, a contract should be binding (You signed it)
if he wants to sit out, then sit as your FA season gets moved up another year etc.

A contract should be binding? Sure, but you have to make it go both ways then. Can’t cut players anymore, or threaten them with cuts unless they renegotiate. A contract is a contract right?

 

[Torc]

A contract should be binding? Sure, but you have to make it go both ways then. Can’t cut players anymore, or threaten them with cuts unless they renegotiate. A contract is a contract right?

I'm sure the contract has language to cover that sort of thing...and it's probably part of the collective bargaining agreement as well.

Personally I think it would be fair to have incentives that trigger a renegotiation. After all, teams want to avoid the risk of paying a bust top dollar. But on the flip side they're benefitting tremendously from players like Parsons that make an immediate impact and they pay bottom dollar for 5 years.

I think the real issues is QBs to be honest. They're the ones who were getting higher and higher paychecks, and often they take a couple of years to develop. In fact I think the current structure is giving teams less incentive to develop QBs...because by the time you sit a player for 2-3 years you don't get as much benefit from the rookie contract. I don't know how to fix that except making a separate pool for QBs somehow.

 

[IndyHawk]

A contract should be binding? Sure, but you have to make it go both ways then. Can’t cut players anymore, or threaten them with cuts unless they renegotiate. A contract is a contract right?

The contract has language explaining how they could be cut ect ect.
I'm just saying do not sign it if you can't follow it.

 

[NoGain]

The contract has language explaining how they could be cut ect ect.
I'm just saying do not sign it if you can't follow it.

Indy, I like you as a poster, but let's be real here. The NFL is a monopoly, the only game in town. The last CBA was ratified before many of these players were even drafted. And even when it was negotiated, the owners had a HUGE advantage over the players and their reps. They could just say "go on strike, see who it hurts more." These players love the game, want to play it, have trained most of their lives for it, have a very limited window of time for doing so. And this is not like, say, professional soccer where you have multiple quality competing professional leagues and teams to choose from. The NFL is it! And don't disingenuously give me that they can go play in the CFL, like it's in any way comparable to the NFL.

 

[Sperrydogg]

I think Micah parsons is bluffing. He doesn’t want a trade and that’s why it’s so public. He’s trying to force Jerry to do something. Sleeping on a table… I used to pretend to sleep too when mom tried to wake me up on a Saturday. If he really wanted a trade I think it would be behind closed doors, like DK, we did not hear about DK and all his trade demands until he was traded

 

[NoGain]

I think Micah parsons is bluffing. He doesn’t want a trade and that’s why it’s so public. He’s trying to force Jerry to do something. Sleeping on a table… I used to pretend to sleep too when mom tried to wake me up on a Saturday. If he really wanted a trade I think it would be behind closed doors, like DK, we did not hear about DK and all his trade demands until he was traded

I don't think so, but I don't know so. I've heard from several sources close to the matter that this is different from the other Cowboy holdouts of the past, that it's become personal between him and Jones, and that he truly wants out of the team he dreamed of playing for growing up. Of course now, Jones certainly does have undeniable leverage over him. It remains to be seen if he does sit out to show Jones and the fans just how valuable he is to the fortunes of the team, and how serious he is about it, like Emmit did in the early 1990's. They open the season against division rivals Philly and the Giants.

Almost every credible pundit I've heard said this contract negotiation/extension should have been simple to get done. Call his agent and make him the highest paid defensive player in the league which he clearly is deserving of and be done with it.

 

[Sperrydogg]

I don't think so, but I don't know so. I've heard from several sources close to the matter that this is different from the other Cowboy holdouts of the past, that it's become personal between him and Jones, and that he truly wants out of the team he dreamed of playing for growing up. Of course now, Jones certainly does have undeniable leverage over him. It remains to be seen if he does sit out to show Jones and the fans just how valuable he is to the fortunes of the team, like Emmit did in the early 1990's. They open the season against division rivals Philly and the Giants.

Almost every credible pundit I've heard said this contract negotiation/extension should have been simple to get done. Call his agent and make him the highest paid defensive player in the league which he clearly is deserving of and be done with it.

But if he signs and becomes the highest player in the league was he technically bluffing?

 

[NoGain]

But if he signs and becomes the highest player in the league was he technically bluffing?

Bluffing about wanting out? If that's what you mean, I don't think bluffing is the word I'd use, but that's just me. I think he could want out and still sign a record contract to stay. I don't think they're mutually exclusive. Wouldn't you take the 200 million over losing millions of dollars holding out, even if it meant holding your nose while doing so? I don't see these guys kissing and hugging and making up if he does resign. LOL

 

[Sperrydogg]

Bluffing about wanting out? If that's what you mean, I don't think bluffing is the word I'd use, but that's just me. I think he could want out and still sign a record contract to stay. I don't think they're mutually exclusive. Wouldn't you take the 200 million over losing millions of dollars holding out, even if it meant holding your nose while doing so? I don't see these guys kissing and hugging and making up if he does resign. LOL

Yeah. Bluffing about wanting out. I guess I have no inkling of an idea what it would be like to turn down millions on principle…

 

[CouchLogic]

Bluffing about wanting out? If that's what you mean, I don't think bluffing is the word I'd use, but that's just me. I think he could want out and still sign a record contract to stay. I don't think they're mutually exclusive. Wouldn't you take the 200 million over losing millions of dollars holding out, even if it meant holding your nose while doing so? I don't see these guys kissing and hugging and making up if he does resign. LOL

You don't have to like your boss to take their money, you don't even have to be friends with the person. Business is business. My boss is less than favorable, but he pays me more than anywhere else around here will and we stay out of each other's hair. I work, he pays, if that changes there is a door on the front of the building.

200 million is a lot of reasons to wear that dumb@$$ star on a helmet.

 

[flv2]

I'm sure the contract has language to cover that sort of thing...and it's probably part of the collective bargaining agreement as well.

Personally I think it would be fair to have incentives that trigger a renegotiation. After all, teams want to avoid the risk of paying a bust top dollar. But on the flip side they're benefitting tremendously from players like Parsons that make an immediate impact and they pay bottom dollar for 5 years.

I think the real issues is QBs to be honest. They're the ones who were getting higher and higher paychecks, and often they take a couple of years to develop. In fact I think the current structure is giving teams less incentive to develop QBs...because by the time you sit a player for 2-3 years you don't get as much benefit from the rookie contract. I don't know how to fix that except making a separate pool for QBs somehow.

QB pay isn't the problem. QBs are the beneficiaries of a system that keeps pay low at the bottom end yet forces teams to spend. All the excess cash goes to game-changers and top-end FAs that are otherwise irreplaceable.

 

[Torc]

QB pay isn't the problem. QBs are the beneficiaries of a system that keeps pay low at the bottom end yet forces teams to spend. All the excess cash goes to game-changers and top-end FAs that are otherwise irreplaceable.

Dak Prescott is the highest paid player in NFL history.
Jordan Love and Trevor Lawrence are tied with Joe Burrow and Josh Allen at $55 million a year. Tua is just below them at 53.1 million a year.

I don't know how you can make the statement you did with a straight face. Whichever starting QB signs next will be in the top three paid, regardless of skill level. QB pay structure is definitely a problem.