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hawkfan1975":3rhmd0ny said:montanahawk, is this your first year with the game of football?
Hahahahahaha. Wait, are you serious?
hawkfan1975":3rhmd0ny said:montanahawk, is this your first year with the game of football?
hawkfan1975":2975hz6m said:denial permeates this thread.
flynn looked good, threw some very good passes even with a quarter of play in for the first time (on a wide birth score). sharp passes complete and some bobbled by wrs.
*add: and I still say he beats phx and stl away games prior.
I think given the same games he throws better than RW, but ....we're going with RW for the youth and wheels (I can live with that, 3 games now and I like what RWs doing and there's more to come).
we may be able to retain flynn but I doubt it highly.
Zebulon Dak":24kp44vt said:hawkfan1975":24kp44vt said:denial permeates this thread.
flynn looked good, threw some very good passes even with a quarter of play in for the first time (on a wide birth score). sharp passes complete and some bobbled by wrs.
*add: and I still say he beats phx and stl away games prior.
I think given the same games he throws better than RW, but ....we're going with RW for the youth and wheels (I can live with that, 3 games now and I like what RWs doing and there's more to come).
we may be able to retain flynn but I doubt it highly.
there's something wrong with you.
SEC FAN":381hbl5e said:skater18000":381hbl5e said:So its hard to find a liable BACKUP... Tebow, Collin Klein, Travis Jackson are u kidding me.... plenty of good backups that will come here for way less money 2
You want Tebow, Klein, TJack over Matt Flynn? We already know the coaches prefer Flynn over TJack. So that leaves us with Klein and Tebow. I can't say you are wrong but only 2 teams wanted Tebow. Of those 2 teams in Jacksonville and NY Jets, the Jets won't even play him over a horrible starter. So that tells me atleast 31 teams wouldn't play him over their current starters. Klein isn't available until next year and he will be a rookie. He is a project middle round pick at best. So even if you get a 3rd rounder for Flynn, which is unlikely, you are drafting someone in the same round with no experience and is a project.
Flynn has experience, starter appeal, and his salary isn't that much. Remember he was just about our starter this year, but was beat out by the rookie of the year (potentially) who is leading his team to the playoffs.
RichNhansom":1jnsd3w2 said:Radish, he can hold out. Not show up for anything and force us to find another back up. It's not like he is going to come to all the OTA's, preseason and then sat, I'm not gonna play.
I also believe teams wouldn't hold it against him either based on the circumstances.
RichNhansom":356uxq0i said:Personally I think Flynn will force either a trade or release. .
Q: I was wondering what you think are Matt Flynn's prospects for 2013. He was signed by the Seahawks in the offseason to a three-year contract with $10 million in guaranteed money to be the starter, but he's not a starter. Do you see any teams possibly trading for him in the offseaon or if he is released, do you think being benched in favor of rookie Russell Wilson will hurt his value in the open market next year?
John in Naperville, Ill.
A: As with most trades in the NFL, you look at the contract before you look at the player in a trade. Flynn has value, but the Seahawks can't get much for him in a trade. Maybe they can get a conditional sixth or seventh, but very few teams will want to pick up that $6.5 million contract. If he is cut, he'll have a few teams bidding on him.
mikeak":ja09cmxy said:Disagree but we will see at the end of next year.
Teams are willing to pay $20 million-ish for 3 years for unproven college qb's. If they don't have big money riding on the qb position there is room to pay between $5million to $20 million for the qb position. $6.5 million may be a tad much but it in no way limits many of the teams that will be looking at qbs.
The big upside for a trade is - there is no great qb prospect in the draft. Barkley left $10 million (at least) on the table by not going last year.
themunn":3orzsc3m said:SEC FAN":3orzsc3m said:You want Tebow, Klein, TJack over Matt Flynn? We already know the coaches prefer Flynn over TJack. So that leaves us with Klein and Tebow. I can't say you are wrong but only 2 teams wanted Tebow. Of those 2 teams in Jacksonville and NY Jets, the Jets won't even play him over a horrible starter. So that tells me atleast 31 teams wouldn't play him over their current starters. Klein isn't available until next year and he will be a rookie. He is a project middle round pick at best. So even if you get a 3rd rounder for Flynn, which is unlikely, you are drafting someone in the same round with no experience and is a project.
Flynn has experience, starter appeal, and his salary isn't that much. Remember he was just about our starter this year, but was beat out by the rookie of the year (potentially) who is leading his team to the playoffs.
You've given examples of backups that were good, but none were players picked up with the idea that "we need a great back-up behind our starter", all 3 were players that were picked up as potential starters in the future (or in Brady's case, probably a potential back-up, it's hardly as if Belicheck drafted him saying "we need a great back-up behind Bledsoe", he drafted him thinking "maybe we can do something with this guy").
Young was a guy traded for by Walsh because he was impressed by his abilities - but he also had a 1-2 TD-INT ratio at Tampa Bay, hardly the same situation Flynn was in. Similarly, Warner was a guy that was cut by the Packers and played Arena football - and when he was picked up by the Rams, was sent to Amsterdam to develop. They didn't pick him up thinking "we need a great back-up", they saw potential they hoped could translate to the NFL and they wre successful.
Flynn is a totally different situation in that he was brought in to compete for the starter's job, failed to win it because a guy yougner than him was better than him, and now he's stuck here as a good player that's on the bench - there's hardly a comparable situation, almost any time a team has a back-up that's good enough to start for another team, they trade him or let him hit free agency because they're too expensive to keep on/can get more value from a draft pick for them.
In recent years see - Matt Schaub, Matt Cassel, Kyle Orton (albeit he was cut rather than traded because the Broncos didn't feel they needed him/he wasn't good enough).