Marcus Trufant Vs Harry Douglas

[Seahwkgal]

Oh how I wish Thurmond could've stayed healthy.

 

[Seahawk Sailor]

Trufant hasn't done nearly as bad as perception would suggest. He is a weaker link, but not to the extent most think. And I think if he does start getting burned, the coaches will figure out a change in strategy or players to account for it.

 

[hawker84]

Doesn't matter whether the Hawks won or not. The subject was matter was limiting or shutting down opposing WR's and TE's. Which you didn't do to Marshall or Johnson.

i'll give you those two, they did very well between the 20's... however it's the redzone that counts my man.

 

[kidhawk]

Trufant hasn't done nearly as bad as perception would suggest. He is a weaker link, but not to the extent most think. And I think if he does start getting burned, the coaches will figure out a change in strategy or players to account for it.

Yes he's the weaker link, and I've agreed with this all along, but honestly, the Nickel back is almost always the weakest link. I think part of the issue is that we have some of the best corners in the business out there right now, and other teams know this, so they tend to throw more passes over the middle to take advantage of LB and Nickel coverages which are not as strong as our outside corner coverages. But I do agree, that people do tend to have this perception of Trufant here that paints him as always getting beat and although he has lost a step, he still is a pretty decent back and especially of late, has done a bang up job.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Doesn't matter whether the Hawks won or not. The subject was matter was limiting or shutting down opposing WR's and TE's. Which you didn't do to Marshall or Johnson.

i'll give you those two, they did very well between the 20's... however it's the redzone that counts my man.

I totally agree. Although Stevie did juke Sherman on that TD catch :0190l:

 

[Missing_Clink]

Scares the heck out of me.

I predict a lot of infuriating 3rd down conversions for the Falcons, and I think Tru will allow at least a few of those.

 

[CANHawk]

Doesn't matter whether the Hawks won or not. The subject was matter was limiting or shutting down opposing WR's and TE's. Which you didn't do to Marshall or Johnson.

i'll give you those two, they did very well between the 20's... however it's the redzone that counts my man.

Yep. Brandon Marshall had 10 catches for 165 yards... and 0 TD's. Stevie had 8 for 115 and only 1 TD to show for it(and Buffalo got destroyed in that game so it wasn't a factor). Our secondary is more than capable of giving up big gainers, but if you don't score on the big gainer, turning it into 6 points is easier said than done.

 

[FlyingGreg]

Doesn't matter whether the Hawks won or not. The subject was matter was limiting or shutting down opposing WR's and TE's. Which you didn't do to Marshall or Johnson.

Incorrect - ALL that matters is who wins. More important than any one element of the team is how the rest of the team functions in an environment.

Lots of people get caught up in mountains of stats and all that garbage. The only stat that matters is scoring more points and wins, period.

As CAN explained in the post above, don't get too excited drooling all over the stats - it doesn't mean it transpires to victory. The Falcons will score points and move the ball, without question. But we find ways to win.

 

[Hawkfan77]

I totally agree. Although Stevie did juke Sherman on that TD catch :0190l:

Wow, so ONE play over a 17 game season thus far...you must feel so comfortable...

:roll:

 

[pehawk]

Trufant is a whipping boy for the easily ammused. He's actually played alot better since his return. Yes, he's given up a few catches, but those catches demanded a perfect throw and catch. He's out there for a reason.

 

[CANHawk]

Trufant is a whipping boy for the easily ammused. He's actually played alot better since his return. Yes, he's given up a few catches, but those catches demanded a perfect throw and catch. He's out there for a reason.

So says Kelly Jennings' #1 fan...

 

[Seahwkgal]

Doesn't matter whether the Hawks won or not. The subject was matter was limiting or shutting down opposing WR's and TE's. Which you didn't do to Marshall or Johnson.

i'll give you those two, they did very well between the 20's... however it's the redzone that counts my man.

I totally agree. Although Stevie did juke Sherman on that TD catch :0190l:

In Sherm's defense, Stevie does a number on most of the shutdown corners. Just check out his stats vs Revis....Hmmm...Amyways, a lot of those catches were in "Garbage" time. Just sayin......
And I wish Stevie had been more consistent this season, he was such a bust on my fantasy team minus a couple big weeks...ALL SEASON LONG. :229031_banghead:

 

[pehawk]

Trufant is a whipping boy for the easily ammused. He's actually played alot better since his return. Yes, he's given up a few catches, but those catches demanded a perfect throw and catch. He's out there for a reason.

So says Kelly Jennings' #1 fan...

(sigh) Fair enough. I really shouldn't speak about CB's here. Just asking for abuse.

 

[Shock2k]

how scary is this match up for you? This one and Chancellor vs Tony Gonzales are the main match ups that i will be paying close attention to.
This is how I imagine the game going, We stuff the run easy on 1st down, 2nd down Sherman or Browner get the deflection or give a short gain to Atlanta, 3rd and Long Trufant gets burned on a simple slant route for a easy 1st down.

I would rather see the much faster Jeremy Lane in the game who has proven that he can do decent job against #2 receivers.

Ok, who is more scary:
Gonzales/Douglas

OR

Gronkowski/Welker

 

[MANUNITED23]

I believe in Tru.

 

[CANHawk]

Trufant is a whipping boy for the easily ammused. He's actually played alot better since his return. Yes, he's given up a few catches, but those catches demanded a perfect throw and catch. He's out there for a reason.

So says Kelly Jennings' #1 fan...

(sigh) Fair enough. I really shouldn't speak about CB's here. Just asking for abuse.

Aw, I'm just giving ya the business. Don't feel bad.

And you're probably right. Tru does take a little more shit and abuse than is probably warranted. Yes, some of it is deserved, but not to the degree some here want to pile on.

From what I've heard of Harry Douglass, he doesn't sound like a real precise route runner in the slot the way Wes Welker is. It sounds like he's more of a "I know where I'm supposed to be, but leave the how and the when up to me" kind of guy. I suppose I have more faith in Tru to make the stops against that kind of guy than I do the former. I think with Tru's veteran savvy, he knows what an offense is trying to do and he has good instincts on where he should be to make the stop. With the Welker type, it's technique vs. technique and Tru has slipped physically to the point where I don't think he can really compete with a real technician anymore, but with the latter type who wants to round off routes and throw some shimmy-shake kind of crap in there, Tru's been around long enough that he's not going to fall for any it.

The match-up still concerns me, but I don't think we're going to see Wes Welker or Tidus Young level production out of Douglass.

 

[hawker84]

How about Gronkowski, welker, loyld, and Hernandez.. either way both are tough matchups, which we seem to come out on top in the end.. you cannot win in the playoffs with just a passing game, this has been proven year after year after year...

they are going to need a way to either get (cough) turner going or the other back, because if we get them into constant (Key Word) constant, 3rd and long situations, that will not bode well for ATL....

So unless they do that or plan on passing the ball 60+ times in the game, this will be a tough match up for them.

 

[Jerhawk]

Great matchup for the Falcons. Trufant really needs to step up for us.

 

[SoCalSeahawk]

Looking at Football Outsiders:

Seahawks Passing Offense ranked 4th v Atlanta's pass defense ranked 11th.
Atlanta's passing offense ranked 10th v Seattle's pass defense ranked 3rd.

To get back on the grid with this discussion: The Falcon's receiving corp has earned them a passing game rating well below Seattle's passing game. Individually, Julio Jones is a beast, Roddy White is a beast, and Tony Gonzalez still has beastly moments. But collectively, the Falcons passing game is not even ranked in the top third of the NFL. Why? Because they have zero running game to compliment. Do they have the potential to explode, absolutely. But it is more likely that they will not be as productive as they normally are because they are playing the best defense they've seen all year. I didn't say shut down, just not as productive. As for the argument of Tru against Douglas; Harry Douglas averaged 2.5 receptions/26 yards per game (4 targets per game). He had 1 TD for the year and one game with more than 50 receiving yards. Might he move the chains once or twice? Maybe. But a game changer he is not.

 

[CrimsonWazzu]

Team is 12-5 with a 6 game winning streak and only one loss in the last half of the season, yet people will always find something to bitch about around here. Trufant has had two straight solid games since coming back from his injury. People who "see" otherwise, I have no idea what in the hell they are looking at. Amendola for the Rams was limited to 27 yards in week 17 with a TD defensed by Trufant, and Moss for the Redskins only got 19 yards the entire game. These are two highly touted slot receivers and Trufant played well against them both.

Damn straight. Tru struggled early in the season, probably adjusting to playing the nickel, and it part due to his diminishing skills and injury problems. But he played great against STL and WAS. This is his last right, we all know it is, he knows it is, so suffice it to say he's going to leave it all out on the field.

Harry Douglas doesn't scare me at all. Not even close to a top 100 receiver in this league. He's young and I'm sure over time will be a solid slot receiver, but right now he doesn't even average 4 targets per game. Not sure why we're spending all this time talking about him. He averages under 7 yards per target. Can you say "NON FACTOR"?