Magic Do Over

[pittpnthrs]

At the end of the game with them being exhausted and after Lynch just gashed them for 5 yards? I dont know, but I would have taken a couple of tries with Lynch rather than what was actually called.

With one timeout and 3 downs you have to pass on either 2nd or 3rd down.

Or you could try a run 2 times.

 

[Uncle Si]

At the end of the game with them being exhausted and after Lynch just gashed them for 5 yards? I dont know, but I would have taken a couple of tries with Lynch rather than what was actually called.

With one timeout and 3 downs you have to pass on either 2nd or 3rd down.

Or you could try a run 2 times.

Over his career, Lynch has had 36 carries from the opponent’s 1-yard line. More often than not, he didn’t reach the end zone. He scored on 15 of those carries, or 41.7 percent of the time. On 12 of those carries, he did not gain a yard. On nine of them, he lost yardage. I recall him fumbling from the 1 against the 9ers in the NFC championship the year before. New England had conceded just 6 rushing TDs all season. Conversely, 29 through the air.

So yeah.. you could try and run 2 times. One can also continue to beat the same narrative with more assumption than information.

You'd be likely to have to pass at some point though.

 

[West TX Hawk]

With a title on the line, do you give the ball to Michael Jordan or Horace Grant? LeBron or the 12th guy on the roster? Aroldis Chapman or your inexperienced 7th inning lefty on lefty specialist?

Do you go down with the guy that brought you here to the championship? "Dance with who 'brung' ya"

Every coach in such a situation needs to strategize
1) what play gives us the best actual chance to win and
2) what's the worst possible outcome of such a decision.

If we gave the ball to Lynch on 2nd down and he by slim chance fumbled, there are no regrets--we went down with our very best player that got us to this point and it just didn't work out. Calling a pass to our #4 WR/Gunner certainly fails both tests.

Stats can be cited at 42% or whatever TD success Lynch had, but with everything on the line, you give it to the most powerful between the tackles runner in the league and let the chips fall where they do. You still have a TO and could call a bootleg pass/run option the next play, but IMO there is absolutely nothing that was stopping Lynch at the GL in that situation--one way or another he was going to will himself into that endzone.

 

[pittpnthrs]

At the end of the game with them being exhausted and after Lynch just gashed them for 5 yards? I dont know, but I would have taken a couple of tries with Lynch rather than what was actually called.

With one timeout and 3 downs you have to pass on either 2nd or 3rd down.

Or you could try a run 2 times.

Over his career, Lynch has had 36 carries from the opponent’s 1-yard line. More often than not, he didn’t reach the end zone. He scored on 15 of those carries, or 41.7 percent of the time. On 12 of those carries, he did not gain a yard. On nine of them, he lost yardage. I recall him fumbling from the 1 against the 9ers in the NFC championship the year before. New England had conceded just 6 rushing TDs all season. Conversely, 29 through the air.

So yeah.. you could try and run 2 times. One can also continue to beat the same narrative with more assumption than information.

You'd be likely to have to pass at some point though.

I always hear and read those numbers but they always discount how many runs of those types were against the NFC West or teams with formidable lines? Remember, we are talking about the Patriots who were ranked last or near last and utterly exhausted and reeling at that point. How many of those stops from the Patriots came within their sad division?

I would still rather the ball be or go in the hands of somebody like Lynch than a guy like Ricardo Lockette.

 

[Sac]

Play action roll-out, to the weak side. Sell then run hard, then give Russ the option to pass or take it in himself.

 

[AKNFidel]

For me, after the interception. The part that was most embarrassing was that when the loss was a forgone conclusion we had to watch Michael Bennett & Bruce Irvin trying to fight the Patriots. If I had a reset button that what I would remove. Losing the game in the fashion the Seahawks did was painful, but looking like clowns afterwards will stick with me forever.


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[Uncle Si]

With a title on the line, do you give the ball to Michael Jordan or Horace Grant? LeBron or the 12th guy on the roster? Aroldis Chapman or your inexperienced 7th inning lefty on lefty specialist?

Do you go down with the guy that brought you here to the championship? "Dance with who 'brung' ya"

Every coach in such a situation needs to strategize
1) what play gives us the best actual chance to win and
2) what's the worst possible outcome of such a decision.

If we gave the ball to Lynch on 2nd down and he by slim chance fumbled, there are no regrets--we went down with our very best player that got us to this point and it just didn't work out. Calling a pass to our #4 WR/Gunner certainly fails both tests.

Stats can be cited at 42% or whatever TD success Lynch had, but with everything on the line, you give it to the most powerful between the tackles runner in the league and let the chips fall where they do. You still have a TO and could call a bootleg pass/run option the next play, but IMO there is absolutely nothing that was stopping Lynch at the GL in that situation--one way or another he was going to will himself into that endzone.

This is such a poor example. First, you're comparing Lynch to Jordan and Wilson to Horace Grant? I also remember numerous occasions someone on the Bulls besides Jordan took the final shot.. why? probably the same percentages you are trying to ignore here.

Lynch had the first carry. It's well within reason there to suggest that Wilson get a chance.

 

[Uncle Si]

With one timeout and 3 downs you have to pass on either 2nd or 3rd down.

Or you could try a run 2 times.

Over his career, Lynch has had 36 carries from the opponent’s 1-yard line. More often than not, he didn’t reach the end zone. He scored on 15 of those carries, or 41.7 percent of the time. On 12 of those carries, he did not gain a yard. On nine of them, he lost yardage. I recall him fumbling from the 1 against the 9ers in the NFC championship the year before. New England had conceded just 6 rushing TDs all season. Conversely, 29 through the air.

So yeah.. you could try and run 2 times. One can also continue to beat the same narrative with more assumption than information.

You'd be likely to have to pass at some point though.

I always hear and read those numbers but they always discount how many runs of those types were against the NFC West or teams with formidable lines? Remember, we are talking about the Patriots who were ranked last or near last and utterly exhausted and reeling at that point. How many of those stops from the Patriots came within their sad division?

I would still rather the ball be or go in the hands of somebody like Lynch than a guy like Ricardo Lockette.

The Patriots were #9 in total defense and top 5 against the run.

And I don't disagree per se... I just dont think it's as easy as the "if we ran we win" narrative. There were certainly many factors to look into.

The play call itself was bad, but not the decision to pass or run

 

[West TX Hawk]

With a title on the line, do you give the ball to Michael Jordan or Horace Grant? LeBron or the 12th guy on the roster? Aroldis Chapman or your inexperienced 7th inning lefty on lefty specialist?

Do you go down with the guy that brought you here to the championship? "Dance with who 'brung' ya"

Every coach in such a situation needs to strategize
1) what play gives us the best actual chance to win and
2) what's the worst possible outcome of such a decision.

If we gave the ball to Lynch on 2nd down and he by slim chance fumbled, there are no regrets--we went down with our very best player that got us to this point and it just didn't work out. Calling a pass to our #4 WR/Gunner certainly fails both tests.

Stats can be cited at 42% or whatever TD success Lynch had, but with everything on the line, you give it to the most powerful between the tackles runner in the league and let the chips fall where they do. You still have a TO and could call a bootleg pass/run option the next play, but IMO there is absolutely nothing that was stopping Lynch at the GL in that situation--one way or another he was going to will himself into that endzone.

This is such a poor example. First, you're comparing Lynch to Jordan and Wilson to Horace Grant? I also remember numerous occasions someone on the Bulls besides Jordan took the final shot.. why? probably the same percentages you are trying to ignore here.

Lynch had the first carry. It's well within reason there to suggest that Wilson get a chance.

No, that's not what I'm saying at all--I was comparing Horace to Lockette. Wilson was not part of any of my analogies. Lynch was though and with his impressive 1st down run that got to the 1, you give him another chance and Wilson run/pass option if that failed. Read my post fully before making assumptions.

 

[Uncle Si]

With a title on the line, do you give the ball to Michael Jordan or Horace Grant? LeBron or the 12th guy on the roster? Aroldis Chapman or your inexperienced 7th inning lefty on lefty specialist?

Do you go down with the guy that brought you here to the championship? "Dance with who 'brung' ya"

Every coach in such a situation needs to strategize
1) what play gives us the best actual chance to win and
2) what's the worst possible outcome of such a decision.

If we gave the ball to Lynch on 2nd down and he by slim chance fumbled, there are no regrets--we went down with our very best player that got us to this point and it just didn't work out. Calling a pass to our #4 WR/Gunner certainly fails both tests.

Stats can be cited at 42% or whatever TD success Lynch had, but with everything on the line, you give it to the most powerful between the tackles runner in the league and let the chips fall where they do. You still have a TO and could call a bootleg pass/run option the next play, but IMO there is absolutely nothing that was stopping Lynch at the GL in that situation--one way or another he was going to will himself into that endzone.

This is such a poor example. First, you're comparing Lynch to Jordan and Wilson to Horace Grant? I also remember numerous occasions someone on the Bulls besides Jordan took the final shot.. why? probably the same percentages you are trying to ignore here.

Lynch had the first carry. It's well within reason there to suggest that Wilson get a chance.

No, that's not what I'm saying at all--I was comparing Horace to Lockette. Wilson was not part of any of my analogies. Lynch was though and with his impressive 1st down run that got to the 1, you give him another chance and Wilson run/pass option if that failed. Read my post fully before making assumptions.

My error...

I thought you were replying to me.

I agree with your analogies in that context

 

[Hawkstorian]

So far no votes for the status quo so we agree on that at least.

 

[Atradees]

As Pitt mentioned, NE was a terrible GL defense - and it was the end of the game with them tired.

Lynch would have walked in.

My magic do-over would have been keeping Tate and not getting Harvin but if that was my only magic do-over then I would have run Lynch to watch him walk into the EZ and win MVP.

Incorrect. New England had stuffed the Seahawks on short yardage all game and Tom Cables pathetic coaching got the team stuffed on the goal line all the time. Seriously go back and look at how few short-yardage rushing TD's the team had during the Cable era.

People always overlook this when 2nd guessing. Same play but not to a WR Ricardo Lockette (Brandon Marshall) with stone hands and not warmed up.

 

[DomeHawk]

Just run the damn thing, three times if you have to.

 

[lukerguy]

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Something like this... FB and TE were both wide open... if neither are open russ could run or throw it away.

 

[lukerguy]

Another thing you could do is call the time out with 30 seconds left... Then when you have the timeout you call two plays... The first one a run, the second one a pass with a very similar if not exact same formation and play action with TE coming out the back.. If both of those fail you should have 5-7 seconds left on 4th down to do whatever you want.

 

[Fade]

1a) 2 by 2 Wide Stack Inside Zone to the left out of the Pistol, hand the ball to Lynch, easy TD.


1b) Sprint Right Option if you want Wilson to get the glory instead. (Run/Pass option for Wilson out of the pocket.)


Both plays would've worked so take your pick.


The Seahawks instead chose to throw to the special teams gunner into the teeth of a crowded goaline defense, and have Kearse block the most physical corner in the league, and oh yeah he knows the play and tells M.Butler to be ready for it.
It is a trust play, the QB just chucks it as soon as he gets it, he doesn't read the defense, and has to trust the receiver to run a precise route, and the other receiver to make a great block.

Utter failure. Asking a special teams gunner to run a precise route, and the other to block the most physical corner to come along in 30 years. Instead of putting the ball into your 2 best players hands Lynch & Wilson.


The dumbest playcall in sports history (given the circumstances) that people will always bring up for the rest of our lives.

The End.

 

[chris98251]

With the time out you have at least two plays, you go heavy run look formation and have a roll out option with a trailer WR not named Lockette to be your safety valve Going into the ball if Wilson throw it or he Scores and have Kearse block and fade into the End Zone.


If that Fails it would be incomplete or Wilson out of Bounds and clock stops.


Next possession same formation and Lynch over the Left side where he was making yards and a quick time out if he fails.


That leaves you a third option if we fail twice which I doubt from the one.

 

[Hawkstorian]

I'm happy to see that the passage of time has let the truth sink in that we relied on a 3rd-rate bottom of the roster hack WR determine the most pivotal moment in team history and that just will never be OK. All the great players in team history from Largent all the way to Earl Thomas ... guys who are NFL legends and Ricardo F-ing Lockette was put into that moment. I think that's why so many people will never get over that we didn't give the ball to 'Shawn. No so much that running the ball seems obvious to many, but if our legend is going to be destroyed then at least let it be destroyed by an actual NFL talent.

 

[evergreen]

The play I would run is the stuffing of Tom Brady on the qb sneak for a safety. Then a good return to their 45. That would be followed by a quick pass over the middle to the 32. Time out. Bring in The kicker. Follow thT with immortality.

 

[Maelstrom787]

The Philly Special.

Easy.