MacDonald riding with Geno

[Sperrydogg]

Because they don't actually believe that. It's the equivalent of using the preface " No offense " before saying something offensive.

That’s the Seahawks problem…. No offense

 

[James in PA]

Congratulations to all on 25 pages of Geno!



Here's to 25 more!

 

[CallMeADawg]

Congratulations to all on 25 pages of Geno!

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Here's to 25 more!

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MVP

 

[JayhawkMike]

It is far more than he deserves.

 

[Ozzy]

Congratulations to all on 25 pages of Geno!

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Here's to 25 more!

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The off season has only begun. Let’s shoot for 100!

 

[NoGain]

I keep coming back to it...but what other team wants to go get Geno and extend him for big money for three more years at the age of 35-36? The Hawks and, and, and...who?

Until proven otherwise...we'd be bidding against ourselves.

Geno on a very team friendly extension with "outs" seems right to me. Not a dollar more than is necessary. We've got other holes to fill.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Yeah this is flat out wrong.

You can be a good QB, be coming off a really bad year and entering the end of tour career hence teams not having a big market for him.

Aaron Rodgers is a great quarterback yet after this year but they’re won’t be a big market for him either.

You’re doing what you’re saying others are.

AR didn't have that bad of a year. He was bad in spots sure, but he won't a much of a market because he's a super douche bag

 

[OrangeGravy]

I keep coming back to it...but what other team wants to go get Geno and extend him for big money for three more years at the age of 35-36? The Hawks and, and, and...who?

Until proven otherwise...we'd be bidding against ourselves.

Geno on a very team friendly extension with "outs" seems right to me. Not a dollar more than is necessary. We've got other holes to fill.

If no other team wants him, all the better. We'll get a good deal on a short extension. If we bid against ourselves that's a JS problem

 

[OrangeGravy]

The same way MacDonald or any coach or coordinator says he has to look at the tape to see what happened on a given play before assigning blame.

Its not that big of a mystery and i would get flamed for it when Russ was here and i would post multiple sequential stills of a play to show how it unfolded and why thr play worked, but the execution failed. You can absolutely evaluate how well a QB is going through his progressions just as you can evaluate whether a playcall given a certain down and distance was a good one.
A good playcaller anticipates what a defense is going to do and provides the offense and more specifically the QB options to succeed. Lesser coordinators get caught in situations like Grubb was again and again where the QB was left on an island with protection that wasnt set, outlets that werent available and routes that relied on there being more time than what was reasonably available. Sure, that wasnt the case EVERY time, but if it wasnt the case the vast MAJORITY of the time, Grubb was would still have a job. There were so many times where you could see a defense was going to blitz on 3rd and say 4, and rather than having 1 or 2 options for Geno to hit quickly in the space the blitzung player was vacating, and chipping the rusher on the way in, we would just have receivers running medium and deep routes. That happened starting in the Giants game and never stopped.

Beyond playcalling, our blocking scheme as stupid. We got manhandled and looked horrible for most of the season trying to force our guys to run a constantly overmatched zone blocking scheme. Over the second half, we ran more gap concepts and saw more success. Thats a shift that should have been evident in training camp or at least early in the season. Instead we get plowed every week, struggling to run because we dont do it enough to force the defense to account for it, but also dont even deploy a scheme that best helps our personnell.

The failures of the offense this year were multiple fold from route designs that didnt challenge defenses or exploit weaknesses (its been discussed quite a bit that Grubb wasnt exoerienced in attacking NFL schemes and instead looked to exploit matchups) in the way they were playing us to just not giving the QB options to ATTACK a defense rsther than hoping protection holds up. Grubb neutered our passing game to a degree by taking DK out of the scheme as a decoy so that he could better work individual matchups. JSN was the beneficiary. Everybody else suffered. From the outside, it looks like JSN blew up, and he did have a good year, but he got those looks because thats how Grubb's offense worked. Attack a player or two or a coverage zone, but not the whole defense.
The run game was the same, trying to leverage individual strength rather than schematic advantage.
After week 4, when defenses saw what worked against us, we never adapted until our run game started working at the switch to more gap play in the run game.
These things are FUNDAMENTAL errors in the coordination of an offense and Grubb failed at them consistently.
Waldron understood at a general level how to attack scheme as was evident in the fact that our offense was one of the best in the league over the first quarter and a half of a game whike he was here. He could see schematic tendencies in a defense and script a way to attack them. He failed in the chess match that became that back and forth game of anticipation, move and counter move.
All-22 shines an entirely different light on games. What looks like one problem on a telecast is often shown to be something different.

Nonsense. You can't possibly know with a large amount of confidence what progressions a play is supposed to follow. You speak as if there are only so many concepts in football that get tweaked and disguised to appear as something new. You can't possibly discern what's happening by watching film

 

[Ozzy]

AR didn't have that bad of a year. He was bad in spots sure, but he won't a much of a market because he's a super douche bag

He was better than some guys people think had great years. After watching the documentary I liked him more than I thought.

 

[OrangeGravy]

It’s completely a fair point. I don’t think they did him many favors.

In theory he should improve with a better running game, line, more play action, under center work etc. I’m just worried his age is going to compound his limitations like it does for most players. If he stays and it’s probably leaning that way. I hope they fix those things and I don’t think it’s impossible to do so. I’m excited to see what happens.

What are you worried about? He's at most gonna be our QB for 2 more years. If it's more than that, something went terrifically right and we made it to the NFCCG.

That's why I think this anti Geno thing is insane. Extending him (to a reasonable number) doesn't prohibit us from drafting or building for the future. We aren't gonna extend him for $50/yr and if we do, you know JS has to go. Any argument otherwise is just wanting a different face under center for change sake.

 

[OrangeGravy]

He was better than some guys people think had great years. After watching the documentary I liked him more than I thought.

I hate his smug ass

 

[toffee]

Any argument otherwise is just wanting a different face under center for change sake.

Now you got it.

 

[Ozzy]

What are you worried about? He's at most gonna be our QB for 2 more years. If it's more than that, something went terrifically right and we made it to the NFCCG.

That's why I think this anti Geno thing is insane. Extending him (to a reasonable number) doesn't prohibit us from drafting or building for the future. We aren't gonna extend him for $50/yr and if we do, you know JS has to go. Any argument otherwise is just wanting a different face under center for change sake.

I’m ok with extending him IF they have an easy out after a year. My worry is they go all in and do what Atlanta did with Cousins.

 

[OrangeGravy]

I’m ok with extending him IF they have an easy out after a year. My worry is they go all in and do what Atlanta did with Cousins.

Literally nobody wants that. That's why this argument is insane to me. We have not say obviously and if JS does what you say, we know what needs to happen

 

[Ozzy]

Literally nobody wants that. That's why this argument is insane to me. We have not say obviously and if JS does what you say, we know what needs to happen

Geno wants it and many fans do as well. But I agree if John makes that mistake it’s massive.

 

[JayhawkMike]

Every snap Geno takes is a wasted snap that could be used to give experience to a younger QB that could possibly lead us to playoff success in the future. That is the problem with having Geno on the team at all. And every dollar paid to Geno above that of a rookie is a dollar wasted that could go to the OLine. It’s a lose/lose/lose situation.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Geno wants it and many fans do as well. But I agree if John makes that mistake it’s massive.

I don't think any fans want to pay that much

 

[NoGain]

Geno wants it and many fans do as well. But I agree if John makes that mistake it’s massive.

The thing that drives me crazy about the Geno debate is that it almost never takes into account the market. It's this opinion, that opinion, this group of stats, that group of stats. Geno's talent, or how good of a QB he is, is largely set by the market, what teams see in him and are willing to pay for. You can talk all you want about how good he is, but if the market doesn't see it that way, isn't willing to pay for it, then how good or valuable is he to a team at this stage of his career?

I think Seattle is a special situation for him. He knows the team, head coach, many of the players, the team doesn't seem to have a good alternative to him at this time, etc... There are teams that need a QB. But does anyone see the Raiders or Titans getting into a bidding war for Geno that pays him what the top 10 or QB's are getting? I could be wrong, but I don't.

 

[GemCity]

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