Looks like Baldwin was wide open on 4th down pick yesterday

[Scottemojo]

And this is why play action was so dumb. Bevell calls a play where Russell has to take his eyes off the defense to execute a fake, then find his initial read, usually a deep to short progression, on a play where the liklihood of the deep guy being open is nil. Then there was pressure.

I can't guarantee if there is no play action Russell sees Baldwin, but I can guarantee it increases the chances.

 

[bluengreen]

Even though the underneath WR was open, one would expect Rice to come back and make a play on the ball under the circumstances.

 

[400WattHPSHawk]

HawkWow. I was speaking specifically of Carp just because I am so tired of the dude, but I would be all for Cable hitting the road too. Keep Carp for now simply because we need a body out there and that's it.

But yeah, I don't understand the love affair with Cable either. He has a track record here now and it isn't worth a damn. Carp, Moffitt and his projects Sweezy and Smith? DL turned into a Center? I think he does these little "projects" to show what kind of Genius he is. He may be reading too many message boards.

 

[The Outfield]

Wilson probably chose Rice because there was a guy to his left that was sort of dangerously in the way of throwing to Baldwin.

If McQuistan could have just kept that guy back...

By the way, great blocking by Willson.

 

[Scottemojo]

Even though the underneath WR was open, one would expect Rice to come back and make a play on the ball under the circumstances.

I simply cannot hang that one on Rice. There are things he should have done, but it was a bad pass.

 

[HawkWow]

Totally agree 400watter (why not go with the 600s? )

I actually knew you were referring to Carpenter, but took the opportunity to get a jab in on Cable. I also agree with your mad scientist suggestion. These guys with their "Oh, just watch, I have a plan" approaches to the position are maddening. It's really not that difficult of a process in evaluating linemen...especially when there's not a bazillion of them available.

Last year I got so damn tired of watching Lynch get pounded. Then, after drafting Michael, I realized Pete and JS understood the life that was being sucked out of him as well. I understand ML's contract played a big role in that pick, too, but replacing him because our line lets him get slammed, doesn't seem very sporting to me. That aside, do we think Michael is going to last very long behind this crap? No more shenanigans and wild ideas when it comes to the line...we need it fixed asap. It's going to get us eliminated from the play-offs, mark my words. And if they get RW hurt, the play offs will be the last of our concerns.

I love Pete and what he's done for our Hawks. But we will only be able to blame Cable, and the line, for so long before that blame has to be placed on Pete. Not much different than Sark and Holt, IMO. Holt sucked, but Sark enabled him.

 

[Sturm]

Someone needs to put together 'the best of mcquistan' vid, dubbed with the benny hill theme.

LOL.

 

[seedhawk]

Totally agree 400watter (why not go with the 600s? )

I actually knew you were referring to Carpenter, but took the opportunity to get a jab in on Cable. I also agree with your mad scientist suggestion. These guys with their "Oh, just watch, I have a plan" approaches to the position are maddening. It's really not that difficult of a process in evaluating linemen...especially when there's not a bazillion of them available.

Last year I got so damn tired of watching Lynch get pounded. Then, after drafting Michael, I realized Pete and JS understood the life that was being sucked out of him as well. I understand ML's contract played a big role in that pick, too, but replacing him because our line lets him get slammed, doesn't seem very sporting to me. That aside, do we think Michael is going to last very long behind this crap? No more shenanigans and wild ideas when it comes to the line...we need it fixed asap. It's going to get us eliminated from the play-offs, mark my words. And if they get RW hurt, the play offs will be the last of our concerns.

I love Pete and what he's done for our Hawks. But we will only be able to blame Cable, and the line, for so long before that blame has to be placed on Pete. Not much different than Sark and Holt, IMO. Holt sucked, but Sark enabled him.

You do realize it is heresy to call out Cable. Pick on Bevell like all the other I can call plays or coach better than you can guys!

 

[VivaEfrenHerrera]

Whoah... looks like Russ absorbs a headshot there at the end. Don't like to see that...

 

[LymonHawk]

Even though the underneath WR was open, one would expect Rice to come back and make a play on the ball under the circumstances.

I simply cannot hang that one on Rice. There are things he should have done, but it was a bad pass.

I'm with ya on this one, Scott. Rice was going down field and the ball was thrown 4-5 yards behind him.

 

[HawkWow]

Totally agree 400watter (why not go with the 600s? )

I actually knew you were referring to Carpenter, but took the opportunity to get a jab in on Cable. I also agree with your mad scientist suggestion. These guys with their "Oh, just watch, I have a plan" approaches to the position are maddening. It's really not that difficult of a process in evaluating linemen...especially when there's not a bazillion of them available.

Last year I got so damn tired of watching Lynch get pounded. Then, after drafting Michael, I realized Pete and JS understood the life that was being sucked out of him as well. I understand ML's contract played a big role in that pick, too, but replacing him because our line lets him get slammed, doesn't seem very sporting to me. That aside, do we think Michael is going to last very long behind this crap? No more shenanigans and wild ideas when it comes to the line...we need it fixed asap. It's going to get us eliminated from the play-offs, mark my words. And if they get RW hurt, the play offs will be the last of our concerns.

I love Pete and what he's done for our Hawks. But we will only be able to blame Cable, and the line, for so long before that blame has to be placed on Pete. Not much different than Sark and Holt, IMO. Holt sucked, but Sark enabled him.

You do realize it is heresy to call out Cable. Pick on Bevell like all the other I can call plays or coach better than you can guys!

I'm not really a Bevell guy, but you can't run him down without looking at what he has to work with. Really only Lynch could be considered for all pro honors on that side of the ball. I love our offensive guys. They are solid, but other than Miller, RW and Lynch, they're not exactly striking fear in defenses. Bevell has the thankless job of making a SB team out of this group, while basically be asked to keep it the O run oriented.

 

[Chapow]

Even though the underneath WR was open, one would expect Rice to come back and make a play on the ball under the circumstances.

I simply cannot hang that one on Rice. There are things he should have done, but it was a bad pass.

I couldn't agree more.

Rice was still running down field when that pass was thrown and that was pass was waaay under thrown. If Wilson hits Rice in stride, that's a huge gainer if not a TD.

And even if Rice could have gotten back to the ball, the DB had a way better shot at it than Rice did. To me, it looks like the best Rice might have been able to do is knock the ball down, but his momentum is going down field, I don't think he had much chance to get back to that ball.

I realize it doesn't look like Rice gave it 100% effort to get back to the ball. Sometimes when that happens with pro athletes it's because they realize that they have no chance at it. I also realize that some people want to see the effort regardless of if he had a shot at it or not.

But yeah, I can't put that one on Rice. That was a terribly under thrown ball that the DB had a much better shot at than Rice.

 

[Coug_Hawk08]

Even though the underneath WR was open, one would expect Rice to come back and make a play on the ball under the circumstances.

I simply cannot hang that one on Rice. There are things he should have done, but it was a bad pass.

I'm with ya on this one, Scott. Rice was going down field and the ball was thrown 4-5 yards behind him.

He just avoided a sack and then delivered a solid pass while getting absolutely railed, and we are saying the qb was the problem?

Rice sat there waiting. he had a lot of time to read, come back or make some attempt to attack and work with his qb under the circumstances. The awareness there was disappointing.

 

[DavidSeven]

We're never going to get anything done on 3rd down (besides a Wilson magic scramble) with protection like that. Maybe it's time to see Bailey at LT. Russell has been leveled on all of his supposed "poor throws" (that throw to Rice and an earlier one to Tate in the EZ).

 

[Scottemojo]

Even though the underneath WR was open, one would expect Rice to come back and make a play on the ball under the circumstances.

I simply cannot hang that one on Rice. There are things he should have done, but it was a bad pass.

I'm with ya on this one, Scott. Rice was going down field and the ball was thrown 4-5 yards behind him.

He just avoided a sack and then delivered a solid pass while getting absolutely railed, and we are saying the qb was the problem?

Rice sat there waiting. he had a lot of time to read, come back or make some attempt to attack and work with his qb under the circumstances. The awareness there was disappointing.

Right now, the problems are systemic. both players are part of that.

 

[HawkWow]

We're never going to get anything done on 3rd down (besides a Wilson magic scramble) with protection like that. Maybe it's time to see Bailey at LT. Russell has been leveled on all of his supposed "poor throws" (that throw to Rice and an earlier one to Tate in the EZ).

Exactly....and we will be seeing an assload of 3rd downs. Anyone that has issue with RW is mad (Crazy). Of course he has a few flaws, but he is a playmaker and we don't have many playmakers on the offense. Give the kid some protection and he will return to his awesome play. A month ago, posters were naming their kids after him, now, behind this SH*T line, he's suddenly a problem? RW is the answer, not the question.

 

[seedhawk]

Seems to me you lose some offensive efficiency when you lose your pro bowl LT and C, plus you're most aggressive nasty lineman RT. While Lemuel and Bailey could grow into pretty good players, having McQusitan the LT basically means leaving in someone to help him. Not his fault! A good coach knows you can't ask a player to do something he is physically incapable of doing.

 

[ClumsyLurk]

Even though the underneath WR was open, one would expect Rice to come back and make a play on the ball under the circumstances.

I simply cannot hang that one on Rice. There are things he should have done, but it was a bad pass.

I'm with ya on this one, Scott. Rice was going down field and the ball was thrown 4-5 yards behind him.

He just avoided a sack and then delivered a solid pass while getting absolutely railed, and we are saying the qb was the problem?

Rice sat there waiting. he had a lot of time to read, come back or make some attempt to attack and work with his qb under the circumstances. The awareness there was disappointing.

Rice didn't have a great night (4 targets | 1 completion, 8 yards, [he's on my fantasy team... boohoo]) but imo, best case he just knocks it down and we turnover on downs. Hell, seeing Doug wide open was probably the cause of Sidney's poor body language after the int.

 

[kearly]

And this is why play action was so dumb. Bevell calls a play where Russell has to take his eyes off the defense to execute a fake, then find his initial read, usually a deep to short progression, on a play where the liklihood of the deep guy being open is nil. Then there was pressure.

I can't guarantee if there is no play action Russell sees Baldwin, but I can guarantee it increases the chances.

Even if it didn't hurt us, there is no possible benefit to the play-action in that situation. Head scratcher.

 

[avengerboater]

Yea, I actually paused the play while it was live and played it in slow-mo (kinda like in the movies, LOL), and I saw Baldwin WIDE OPEN at the first down mark. I was jumping for joy as I saw Russell throw the ball his way...only to feel my heart sinking as the ball slowly sailed past Doug and towards Rice....for the interception, marking the end of the game.