Kap has a dirty mouth

[Scottemojo]

B...b..b.b.b.but Lamar Houston didn't hear anything! WAHHHHHHHHHH!

 

[Jville]

SANTA CLARA -- Colin Kaepernick's chances of winning his “inappropriate language” appeal dwindled even more Monday night when Lamarr Houston changed his story and said the 49ers quarterback did in fact use the “N” word following a fourth-quarter interception.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2014/09/23/672939 ... rylink=cpy

 

[Marvin49]

SANTA CLARA -- Colin Kaepernick's chances of winning his “inappropriate language” appeal dwindled even more Monday night when Lamarr Houston changed his story and said the 49ers quarterback did in fact use the “N” word following a fourth-quarter interception.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2014/09/23/672939 ... rylink=cpy

Yeah...I read that a few minutes ago.

I think he said it just before "back the F up". That's the only time the vid would allow for it.

Not gonna lie, disappointed. No so much that he said it but that he's denying it now.

 

[hawknation2014]

Kaepernick is officially a scumbag liar unwilling or unable to take responsibility for his actions.

 

[Laloosh]

Papaki no lie. Turtle did it!

 

[loafoftatupu]

Papaki no lie. Turtle did it!

PAPAKI NO SAY NOTHING ABOUT SKIN COLOR ONLY TERM OF ENDEARMENT FROM SAMMY LOVE.

 

[Popeyejones]

Yeah...I read that a few minutes ago.

I think he said it just before "back the F up". That's the only time the vid would allow for it.

Not gonna lie, disappointed. No so much that he said it but that he's denying it now.

FWIW this is along the lines of one my theories about what had happened (and how it explained Houston's stance) in my long post in the middle of page 2 in this thread.

Kap saying he didn't say anything derogatory was basically him taking an askew political stance on the league legislating the word. (This was also made pretty clear in his answer to the follow up question after he said he didn't say anything derogatory, which was about the league policy more generally -- his response was that he'd be fined for commenting on that too...).

Likewise, Houston's "reversal" isn't really a reversal: He first said he didn't hear Kap say anything derogatory, and then in the follow up interview he said that Kap said the word, but that it's a "cultural thing" (i.e. he didn't find it derogatory). Houston goes a little farther in clarifying his point, but he has been consistent throughout (what I was hypothesizing on the last page that Houston's "didn't hear anything" might have actually meant).

If I'm disappointed by anything, it's that Kap's response was purposefully oblique and he played a word game rather than saying what he meant. He would have received absolute hell for it, but I wish he was as clear and unequivocal in his stance on this as Richard Sherman was over the summer.

In any case, I think it's a really, really interesting topic for discussion, but sadly there's absolutely zero chance of that happening here anymore.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Just like how it's lying/covering up that gets people like Goodell fired, I have a real problem with Kaepernick claiming that he didn't say the word. Just 'fess up. Let's be real, a LOT of the black community uses that word.

Rather slimy way of handling the whole thing, Kaep.

 

[Marvin49]

Kaepernick is officially a scumbag liar unwilling or unable to take responsibility for his actions.

LOL. "Officially?"

You make it sound like you ever held a different opinion. LOL.

 

[Marvin49]

Kaepernick is officially a scumbag liar unwilling or unable to take responsibility for his actions.

LOL. "Officially?"

You're right, I actually agree with everything you said.

It's official!

LOL. Not quite.

 

[Largent80]

 

[Popeyejones]

Just like how it's lying/covering up that gets people like Goodell fired, I have a real problem with Kaepernick claiming that he didn't say the word. Just 'fess up. Let's be real, a LOT of the black community uses that word.

Rather slimy way of handling the whole thing, Kaep.

Just to be clear, he didn't claim he didn't say the word, he claimed he didn't say anything that was racially derogatory. That said we're in absolute agreement that this was a deliberately misleading comment, and it seems we also would prefer for him to have just come out and made his stance clear (for me for political reasons, for you (it seems) just because of the general principle of being clear and direct).

That said, if he's so slimy, Lamarrr Houston is just as slimy too, and shouldn't be spared the vitriol. I think both of them are navigating a really tough thing, particularly given how touchy everything else is with the league right now. If Kap and Houston had clearly declared what they meant, I think they both would have caught hell for it (and likely the worst of it here, at least for Kap :lol. Kap even acknowledged this in the follow up question when he said he thought he'd be fined for even sharing his thoughts on the rule more generally.

Richard Sherman is the champion on making his position on this clear, and even he has remained silent on it as the enforcement has been passed without league announcement and the penalties have started to roll in.

So, yeah, for non-football related reasons I wish Kap had directly made his feelings known rather than obliquely commenting on them, but I don't think it's as simple as you might be making it out to be. It's not like either Kap or Houston were issuing public statements, they were answering reporters questions, which the league forces them to do. It's a sh!tty situation to be in when the league forces you to answer questions, but there's threat of being financially penalized for answering them directly or honestly sometimes. All in all though I still prefer Houston's tact, just saying it's a cultural thing and letting the tea leaves be read from there.

 

[lvnginhwktwn]

UH OH, SPAGHETTIOS:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/513726005723561984[/tweet]

Well seeing as a large number of the players in the NFL are black how many times do you guesstimate the "N" word is used between players on a daily basis?

 

[Popeyejones]

Well seeing as a large number of the players in the NFL are black how many times do you guesstimate the "N" word is used between players on a daily basis?

It's off topic. Over the offseason John Wooten convinced the league to start penalizing use of the term (see my too long post on this on the last page).

 

[Laloosh]

UH OH, SPAGHETTIOS:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/513726005723561984[/tweet]

Well seeing as a large number of the players in the NFL are black how many times do you guesstimate the "N" word is used between players on a daily basis?

Are you implying that it's used more commonly on the field and that they just chose to flag him for it or that it's used off of the field so much that it should be allowed on the field?

Either way, it would seem that the Santa Clara 49ers need to do a better job of educating their players about the rules. They seem to be getting flagged quite a bit. Maybe Lockette can draw him a picture so it makes more sense.

 

[Jville]

UH OH, SPAGHETTIOS:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/513726005723561984[/tweet]

Well seeing as a large number of the players in the NFL are black how many times do you guesstimate the "N" word is used between players on a daily basis?

That's no excuse. The spirit of the NFL rule is one language for everyone. No cultural or racial exceptions or exclusivity.

 

[Popeyejones]

Either way, it would seem that the Santa Clara 49ers need to do a better job of educating their players about the rules. They seem to be getting flagged quite a bit. Maybe Lockette can draw him a picture so it makes more sense.

Pretending that there's more to this comment than just the 49ers-focused potshot (and that's pretty rare here these days), it's not about educating players about the existence of the rule. All of them know.

They're getting flagged for it because it's a new legislation of vernacular speech. It's legislating a word that is not used derogatorily among the vast majority of AA NFL players. FWIW Lamarr Houston got flagged for it yesterday. It's like if the NFL decided that saying "dude" or "bro" was a 15 yard penalty for being derogatory; there's a lot of white players (and non-white players, in this example) who would get flagged for it not because they didn't know the rule existed, but because it's a natural part of speech for them and in the moment with a lot of other stuff going on they'd slip up and accidentally say "back up, dude" or "get out of here, bro" or whatever.*


*(This counter-example is, sadly, rhetorically effective because the suggestion that the NFL would start legislating the common vernacular speech of white players (or otherwise) is laughable --- "you can say vulgar words, whatever, it's all fair game, you just can't call each other 'dude' anymore").

 

[Popeyejones]

The spirit of the NFL rule is one language for everyone. No cultural or racial exceptions or exclusivity.

Link? What is this based on?

To my knowledge the NFL has not made a single statement about their rationale. All we have is John Wooten who has been impossibly clear that for him this is about the politics of respectability, and "changing the culture" overall.*

IMO -- and I too don't have any evidence for this as the league hasn't said anything that I know of -- that the league is playing henchmen for Wooten's cultural crusade has everything to do with being risk-averse in pandering to who they see as their consumer base and absolutely nothing to do with the abstract values you're attributing to them.


*There's a TON to say about what's going on here, which I'm not really going into detail about under the assumption that the primary interest here is hectoring Kaepernick or disparaging the 9ers rather than talking about the issue. So it goes.

 

[lvnginhwktwn]

UH OH, SPAGHETTIOS:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/513726005723561984[/tweet]

Well seeing as a large number of the players in the NFL are black how many times do you guesstimate the "N" word is used between players on a daily basis?

That's no excuse. The spirit of the NFL rule is one language for everyone. No cultural or racial exceptions or exclusivity.

Well looks like the NFL is going to clean up t his year passing out fines because all the brothers I know use the "N" word in normal day to day conversation.

 

[Jville]

The Times They Are A changin