nash72":3eg5vvdr said:When he knocks a draft out of the park without Scot McCloughan's insight, i'll jump on board. So far, he hasent even come close.
sdog1981":1q76fies said:A tiny bait and switch of the headline. After reading the article JS has had two of the best VALUE drafts of the past 20 years. Which is nice a lot of 3rd-7th rounders have done incredible things with this team which makes his 2011 and 2012 drafts jump out. This team is really good at finding the hidden value in the draft but they tend to get too creative in the first and second round.
Maelstrom787":821f6mmh said:nash72":821f6mmh said:When he knocks a draft out of the park without Scot McCloughan's insight, i'll jump on board. So far, he hasent even come close.
Unfazed by data or detailed analysis, the quoted poster continues to push a wildly cynical narrative with only weak rhetoric to lean on in his 129th thread of the week.
Anyway, I don't buy the "Scot McCloughan built the team" crap. He's an amazing talent evaluator, but you seem to think Pete and John just took his big board and drafted who he said to draft.
It isn't a realistic view. It's overly simplistic and although it fits your little shtick, it simply doesn't hold up when you take more than 5 seconds to ponder it.
nash72":y8xwpp64 said:Sorry, I cant jump on your wagon that every pick and action our FO does is some form of genius. Lets take that 5 seconds and elaborate on the last 4 drafts. Very mediocre and vanilla with very few hits. Better drafts with McCloughan or without him? Coincidence? I think not. Like I said, JS has some work to do before he gets the credit some bestow upon him around here. Will this draft be the turning point? Guess we'll wait and see.
Sgt. Largent":3hgvx1r6 said:I think we got spoiled with Pete and John's first couple of drafts, but the last 2-3 is average to above average for most teams competing for SB's, especially one's like this that have rosters very hard to crack. Starters, depth and in the case of guys like Lockett and Clark, elite talent.
Uncle Si":19df53ff said:But you will remain on the wagon (with a shocking amount of redundancy) that every move they make is terrible...
not hypocritical at all....
nash72":1gxsyb2f said:Uncle Si":1gxsyb2f said:But you will remain on the wagon (with a shocking amount of redundancy) that every move they make is terrible...
not hypocritical at all....
Not every one of them Si, but a good many. Cant help it. I feel they missed out on some better talent and missed on some serious needs.
Did you see the post endzorn contributed today about this draft tool called Slaytics? Quite interesting. Uses the Sparq tool that we all know our FO has followed, but then it's combined with this freak quotient. The post link spells it out thoroughly. Most of our draft picks are in the upper tier of this formula.nash72":18aghgps said:Sgt. Largent":18aghgps said:I think we got spoiled with Pete and John's first couple of drafts, but the last 2-3 is average to above average for most teams competing for SB's, especially one's like this that have rosters very hard to crack. Starters, depth and in the case of guys like Lockett and Clark, elite talent.
This is true and a very valid point but its what we have to go on for the last 4 drafts. I just think that some of the things JS does in the draft is very unconventional and doesnt make much sense. I know people will say that its a Seahawk thing but I dont buy into that. Passing over higher ranked talent for reaches on a constant basis is infuriating sometimes. Why not pick some of the higher graded players when your in the position to do so? We restocked our defensive backfield, but I think we could have done so with some better players. Oh well. Wait and see is all we can do.
nash72":h6vtfqoa said:Sgt. Largent":h6vtfqoa said:I think we got spoiled with Pete and John's first couple of drafts, but the last 2-3 is average to above average for most teams competing for SB's, especially one's like this that have rosters very hard to crack. Starters, depth and in the case of guys like Lockett and Clark, elite talent.
This is true and a very valid point but its what we have to go on for the last 4 drafts. I just think that some of the things JS does in the draft is very unconventional and doesnt make much sense. I know people will say that its a Seahawk thing but I dont buy into that. Passing over higher ranked talent for reaches on a constant basis is infuriating sometimes. Why not pick some of the higher graded players when your in the position to do so? We restocked our defensive backfield, but I think we could have done so with some better players. Oh well. Wait and see is all we can do.
nash72":mk0qxmq9 said:Uncle Si":mk0qxmq9 said:But you will remain on the wagon (with a shocking amount of redundancy) that every move they make is terrible...
not hypocritical at all....
Not every one of them Si, but a good many. Cant help it. I feel they missed out on some better talent and missed on some serious needs.
Siouxhawk":1necyimj said:And 2013 would have worked out better if Jordan Hill had stayed healthy. You can't figure that in.
Also, we drafted Spencer Ware from that class and he's a top contributor on the Chiefs' roster.