JS: "I never actively negotiated with anybody" re: RW trade

[chris98251]

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Front office teasin' us a bit.

Next couple days, we have the Draft, 3 picks right now, do we sell off next years draft for a key player?

 

[nanomoz]

HA! Sure thing, Pete.

I'm glad they patched things up for this year. But I'll be 0% surprised if we're right back where we were next February.

 

[Jville]

And while this particular offseason distraction might have been a new one, Carroll and Schneider both lightheartedly mentioned that drama is nothing new to an organization that employed Marshawn Lynch for six seasons, and that featured a brash, outspoken and incredibly talented young defense, and yes, that once had to deal with receiver Golden Tate stealing some Top Pot maple bars in an early morning heist just months into his rookie season.

"We've dealt with a lot of drama now," Schneider said, before Carroll jumped in and added, "Maple Bars to Marshawn…. We've been through a lot of stuff. It's not our first go-around. We've been through a lot of stuff."
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[Own The West]

The success of the Seahawks, in the near future and immediate future is primarily dependent on whether we keep Wilson.

If Wilson goes, so does any chance at near future success. So what Wilson wants is the key here.

It is great that Pete thinks we are fine now. Maybe it matters to him. Who cares.

What JS and Pete think, wish, or want does not matter in terms of whether we keep Wilson.

What matters is what Wilson thinks and what Wilson wants. And only that.

Pete and JS are distant 2nds or even 3rds in terms of priority here.

It does disturb me that the Chiefs knew they had a problem with the OL and went immediately to fix it. Done. Likely fixed in half a year.

Meanwhile, we chirp on our problems but do little to fix it except making excuses. The Chiefs are paying big contracts to players too, but figure out how to make it work. Frustrating but my opinion as a fan hardly matters either.

If Wilson is fine with our progress, chances, and changes, great. If not, then it is a problem - regardless of what Pete or JS says.

(If there was no problem then Wilson would not have had to resort to threatening the team last year, would he?)

Let's hope we fixed the problems that created this mess. We have likely one season to prove we are worth sticking with now (maybe 2?). Hoping the Seahawks make the most of the chance they have to keep Wilson because without him this team is nothing.

fyi - The last 7 Super bowl winners did so without Wilson; and the one time Wilson did win, it was with the help of 52 other guys -- all put in place and coached by PC/JS. If you really think a football team is about having a star quarterback and catering to his whims, please go look up Dan Marino, Phillip Rivers, Dan Fouts...

 

[John63]

The success of the Seahawks, in the near future and immediate future is primarily dependent on whether we keep Wilson.

If Wilson goes, so does any chance at near future success. So what Wilson wants is the key here.

It is great that Pete thinks we are fine now. Maybe it matters to him. Who cares.

What JS and Pete think, wish, or want does not matter in terms of whether we keep Wilson.

What matters is what Wilson thinks and what Wilson wants. And only that.

Pete and JS are distant 2nds or even 3rds in terms of priority here.

It does disturb me that the Chiefs knew they had a problem with the OL and went immediately to fix it. Done. Likely fixed in half a year.

Meanwhile, we chirp on our problems but do little to fix it except making excuses. The Chiefs are paying big contracts to players too, but figure out how to make it work. Frustrating but my opinion as a fan hardly matters either.

If Wilson is fine with our progress, chances, and changes, great. If not, then it is a problem - regardless of what Pete or JS says.

(If there was no problem then Wilson would not have had to resort to threatening the team last year, would he?)

Let's hope we fixed the problems that created this mess. We have likely one season to prove we are worth sticking with now (maybe 2?). Hoping the Seahawks make the most of the chance they have to keep Wilson because without him this team is nothing.

fyi - The last 7 Super bowl winners did so without Wilson; and the one time Wilson did win, it was with the help of 52 other guys -- all put in place and coached by PC/JS. If you really think a football team is about having a star quarterback and catering to his whims, please go look up Dan Marino, Phillip Rivers, Dan Fouts...

So a few things first I agree it takes a team to win. Second we are not talking about other teams we are talking about our team. Third as to catering to his whims yoy are right rivers, fours. And Marino are not poster child's for it. However, manning, Brees, Brady, Mahomes, Favre, Rodgers, Montana, to name a few are. Like it or not you don't have a top qb you are bot winning consistently. The same does.not hold true for any other position on the field. While there have been exceptions they are few and far between. His point on this team Like it would be for GB, KC, TB, to name a few without the QB they are forgettable. Like it or not it's the truth.

 

[FresnoHawk52]

I absolutely loved the press conference! Seahawks crushed the media who fed us spun information and caused us to squabble & speculate! Russ’s agent got tossed under the bus too. Clearly when Russ vented it was a mistake and no big deal. They let us run on our speculation which I thought was brilliant even though it made me a fool because it made the Seahawks stronger as a team which should improve results. What matters is RW, PC, & JS believe in each other as long as that remains true there’s no reason for any speculation or projection.
Glad they let us know nothing is happening round 1, Jamal is getting extended if all goes well, RT is up for grabs, Barton & BBK are in it to win it, and another Veteran is inbound.
Also they don’t trade back for 1 player but for a cluster of players! Setting a side the drama Griffith & Reed didn’t meet expectations last year and coincidentally they are no longer with us. It seems like another Veteran DT is inbound over the next 3 or 4 months.
Seahawks are committed to having the ability to open cap space thru the trade deadline in October vs shooting their wade early like the rest of the NFL.

 

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Takeaways:

- Lame opening joke trying to mask they have no picks and sold their future for Adams.

- Waldron is a beast. More uptempo upcoming.

- They did a bad job hiding the fact that they want to draft an O-Lineman with their first pick trying to pump up Pocic. (You're not fooling anyone, guys.)

- JS still trotting out that they draft for their team, and not the league. A euphemistic way of saying they draft for need,
which is a horrible way to draft. It's how you end up taking guys like LJ Collier and Marquise Blair before DK Metcalf, as DE and S were greater needs than WR at the time.

- Pete has always nipped media issues in the bud immediately, but didn't with the Wilson? Because he knew, and that's all that matters. Sure Pete. (Not buying it.)

- JS claims no deep trade discussions were involved with Wilson. The media needed to follow up and ask if he met with Ryan Pace in Fargo ND, as was reported by Ian Rapoport.

- JS damage controlling signing and drafting players with domestic violence, robbery, criminal issues, etc.

- Paying Adams will be a mistake. DON'T DO IT!

- Damage controlling giving out next to no 2nd contracts from their 2016 & 2017 drafts. '13, '14, '16, & '17 drafts were all terrible, bearing hardly any fruit, but they can't just say that of course. They had no problem dolling out 2nd contracts from their '10, '11, & '12 drafts as a point of reference.

- Pete admitted he didn't let new players compete last year. "Always Compete" M>I,rite.

That was a dumpster fire of a press conference, but Waldron gives me hope.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Lame opening joke trying to mask they have no picks and sold their future for Adams.

Or, maybe they're just not unhappy people who hate their lives and might like to have fun every now and again.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Fans pretending like everythings fine now and there are no issues,,,,Lol. After next season (maybe even before), when the Seahawks do their typical early playoff exit (if they even make the playoffs), the drama will start again. Also laughed at Pete talking about Russ and the quicker tempo, if thats so true then why does Pete take it away at some point every single season? Hysterical. Anyways, all this humdrum is typical Pete damage control, and its comical people are buying into it.

 

[pittpnthrs]

fyi - The last 7 Super bowl winners did so without Wilson; and the one time Wilson did win, it was with the help of 52 other guys -- all put in place and coached by PC/JS. If you really think a football team is about having a star quarterback and catering to his whims, please go look up Dan Marino, Phillip Rivers, Dan Fouts...

If Russ is so unimportant, take him away and see how good the team is then.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Also laughed at Pete talking about Russ and the quicker tempo, if thats so true then why does Pete take it away at some point every single season?

You... you think Russ has gone uptempo for long stretches every season?

Did you happen to watch literally any of 2018 or 2019?

 

[pittpnthrs]

Also laughed at Pete talking about Russ and the quicker tempo, if thats so true then why does Pete take it away at some point every single season?

You... you think Russ has gone uptempo for long stretches every season?

Did you happen to watch literally any of 2018 or 2019?

No I dont, thats my point. Seems it always starts that way and then Pete Ball takes over (save for 4th quarter Russ heroics and 2015).

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Fans pretending like everythings fine now and there are no issues,,,,Lol. After next season (maybe even before), when the Seahawks do their typical early playoff exit (if they even make the playoffs), the drama will start again. Also laughed at Pete talking about Russ and the quicker tempo, if thats so true then why does Pete take it away at some point every single season? Hysterical. Anyways, all this humdrum is typical Pete damage control, and its comical people are buying into it.

Why did the Bucs win the SB?

It wasn't because Brady and the offense was lights out, it was because over the last half of the season they had a top 5 defense and #1 run game, and that's what shined in the SB. Their defense punched Mahomes and the Chiefs high flying offense right in the mouth.

THAT'S what John and Pete are trying to get back to, much to Mr. Unlimited's chagrin who thinks he's the greatest QB in the history of the world and wants the entire offense in his control.

Sorry Russ, and sorry fans who think that. Doesn't mean we can't be more dynamic and unpredictable on offense. Thus the Waldron hiring.

But anyone thinks that unleashing Russell is the answer to all our SB dreams, including Wilson is delusional. Balance, great defense, punishing run game, AND a QB that can play at a high level over the course of a season and the playoffs.

That's how you win a SB.

 

[John63]

Fans pretending like everythings fine now and there are no issues,,,,Lol. After next season (maybe even before), when the Seahawks do their typical early playoff exit (if they even make the playoffs), the drama will start again. Also laughed at Pete talking about Russ and the quicker tempo, if thats so true then why does Pete take it away at some point every single season? Hysterical. Anyways, all this humdrum is typical Pete damage control, and its comical people are buying into it.

Why did the Bucs win the SB?

It wasn't because Brady and the offense was lights out, it was because over the last half of the season they had a top 5 defense and #1 run game, and that's what shined in the SB. Their defense punched Mahomes and the Chiefs high flying offense right in the mouth.

THAT'S what John and Pete are trying to get back to, much to Mr. Unlimited's chagrin who thinks he's the greatest QB in the history of the world and wants the entire offense in his control.

Sorry Russ, and sorry fans who think that. Doesn't mean we can't be more dynamic and unpredictable on offense. Thus the Waldron hiring.

But anyone thinks that unleashing Russell is the answer to all our SB dreams, including Wilson is delusional. Balance, great defense, punishing run game, AND a QB that can play at a high level over the course of a season and the playoffs.

That's how you win a SB.

Okay a lot of what you say is well not accurate. TB ended up having 27th ranked defense for the season. IF they were top for the 2nd half they would not have been 27th at the end that is mathematical impossible. same holds true for running they were ranked 28th ranked for the season it is impossible for them to be #1 in the final 8 games and them still be 28th overall. You example of TB is wrong as their offense was top 3 in scoring so yeah they were a HUGE reason they won. They were bottom 5 in run, but top 5 in passing which pretty much destroys your narrative.

How you win a Sb in not a one size fits all. There have been many different formulas for doing it and to think there is only one way is naive. As to what John and Pete are trying to get back to you have no clue, neither do any of us for sure.

Al that said nothing you said is accuarate and the FACTS show it.

 

[toffee]

So the line is fine Wilson is slow to get the ball out, in comes Waldron, Pete fixed everything.

Lets see.

I don't think it would be effective to run a lot and making lots of short passes. Our old model of running plus deep balls forces the defense to space out some? Right?

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[chris98251]

So the line is fine Wilson is slow to get the ball out, in comes Waldron, Pete fixed everything.

Lets see.

I don't think it would be effective to run a lot and making lots of short passes. Our old model of running plus deep balls forces the defense to space out some? Right?

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A defense has a choice, focus on shutting down a strength, if we can't run at will they have be good in coverage and get to Wilson, faster short area passes and RAC by the receivers pull in the two deep and make them cover underneath routes opening up the deep ball.

If they flood the secondary in Nickel and Dime packages to take away the pass we better be able to run well and march down the field.


They were able to shut down the run last year with a standard package for the most part and use a two deep taking away the deep ball the second half of the season. With LB's in run support and CB's playing a lot of man and over the top help with Safeties you have a huge area for intermediate passing and YAC with RB's, slot receivers, and TE's we didn't utilize, again Russell and or Pete don't like inside slants and seams, it is almost always going to the edge and away which also leads to pick six's if you watch for it.

 

[knownone]

Pete and John did a great job navigating this minefield, but most of what they said sounded like damaged control to protect Russell.

In particular, John was asked point-blank about Mark Rodgers's trade list; John said Pete was talking to Russ, and he was talking to Rodgers while indicating that those conversations would stay private. You can't claim it's a media creation while also acknowledging the incident that fueled the creation; otherwise, the front office, Mark Rodgers, or Wilson could have come out immediately and squashed the controversy on the grounds of misunderstanding, but they didn't. So now they are blaming the media for creating a story that came directly from Russell's camp. Not a great look for the front office or Wilson, but it will probably help them avoid further questioning from the local media.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Fans pretending like everythings fine now and there are no issues,,,,Lol. After next season (maybe even before), when the Seahawks do their typical early playoff exit (if they even make the playoffs), the drama will start again. Also laughed at Pete talking about Russ and the quicker tempo, if thats so true then why does Pete take it away at some point every single season? Hysterical. Anyways, all this humdrum is typical Pete damage control, and its comical people are buying into it.

Why did the Bucs win the SB?

It wasn't because Brady and the offense was lights out, it was because over the last half of the season they had a top 5 defense and #1 run game, and that's what shined in the SB. Their defense punched Mahomes and the Chiefs high flying offense right in the mouth.

THAT'S what John and Pete are trying to get back to, much to Mr. Unlimited's chagrin who thinks he's the greatest QB in the history of the world and wants the entire offense in his control.

Sorry Russ, and sorry fans who think that. Doesn't mean we can't be more dynamic and unpredictable on offense. Thus the Waldron hiring.

But anyone thinks that unleashing Russell is the answer to all our SB dreams, including Wilson is delusional. Balance, great defense, punishing run game, AND a QB that can play at a high level over the course of a season and the playoffs.

That's how you win a SB.

Okay a lot of what you say is well not accurate. TB ended up having 27th ranked defense for the season. IF they were top for the 2nd half they would not have been 27th at the end that is mathematical impossible. same holds true for running they were ranked 28th ranked for the season it is impossible for them to be #1 in the final 8 games and them still be 28th overall. You example of TB is wrong as their offense was top 3 in scoring so yeah they were a HUGE reason they won. They were bottom 5 in run, but top 5 in passing which pretty much destroys your narrative.

How you win a Sb in not a one size fits all. There have been many different formulas for doing it and to think there is only one way is naive. As to what John and Pete are trying to get back to you have no clue, neither do any of us for sure.

Al that said nothing you said is accuarate and the FACTS show it.

TB had the 8th ranked defense in 2020, idk what you're looking at.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... 20/opp.htm

 

[pittpnthrs]

Fans pretending like everythings fine now and there are no issues,,,,Lol. After next season (maybe even before), when the Seahawks do their typical early playoff exit (if they even make the playoffs), the drama will start again. Also laughed at Pete talking about Russ and the quicker tempo, if thats so true then why does Pete take it away at some point every single season? Hysterical. Anyways, all this humdrum is typical Pete damage control, and its comical people are buying into it.

Why did the Bucs win the SB?

It wasn't because Brady and the offense was lights out, it was because over the last half of the season they had a top 5 defense and #1 run game, and that's what shined in the SB. Their defense punched Mahomes and the Chiefs high flying offense right in the mouth.

THAT'S what John and Pete are trying to get back to, much to Mr. Unlimited's chagrin who thinks he's the greatest QB in the history of the world and wants the entire offense in his control.

Sorry Russ, and sorry fans who think that. Doesn't mean we can't be more dynamic and unpredictable on offense. Thus the Waldron hiring.

But anyone thinks that unleashing Russell is the answer to all our SB dreams, including Wilson is delusional. Balance, great defense, punishing run game, AND a QB that can play at a high level over the course of a season and the playoffs.

That's how you win a SB.

Fournette averaged about 70 yards a game in the post season and the defense gave up over 20 points a game (save the actual Super Bowl). I'm not really buying what your selling.

I realize Pete and John are trying to get a great defense together again (have been for years now), but they have failed and are so far away that the only choice going forward is to rely on the best player on the team and thats Wilson. Nightmarish moves like giving the world away for players like Adams isnt fixing anything, its actually hurting the process in which they are trying to accomplish. The defense and the running game is what Pete wants to fall back on and those are the teams 2 biggest weaknesses. Is it any wonder the Hawks dont go anywhere in the postseason?

 

[HawkRiderFan]

Pete and John did a great job navigating this minefield, but most of what they said sounded like damaged control to protect Russell.

In particular, John was asked point-blank about Mark Rodgers's trade list; John said Pete was talking to Russ, and he was talking to Rodgers while indicating that those conversations would stay private. You can't claim it's a media creation while also acknowledging the incident that fueled the creation; otherwise, the front office, Mark Rodgers, or Wilson could have come out immediately and squashed the controversy on the grounds of misunderstanding, but they didn't. So now they are blaming the media for creating a story that came directly from Russell's camp. Not a great look for the front office or Wilson, but it will probably help them avoid further questioning from the local media.

Not disagreeing but is that a bad thing, especially if the relationship needed mending? To claim stuff that can make them look bad or not telling the whole truth in order to not criticise Russ in public?

Wouldn't be the first time Pete did this in public. One example I can think of is shrugging off the "come get me" game in Dallas as just Earl being Earl. I guess that one didn't end well though.