John Moffitt Traded

[djb28]

There goes all the Real Rob Report entertainment. Other than that...

 

[UGotHawked]

I'm just wondering why some are assuming SEA could have gotten something more that what they got for Moffitt. It also assumes that JS and co somehow didn't do diligence in trying to part with a guy that likely would not have survived the cuts. I think they got what they could.

 

[Missing_Clink]

Wow they got some garbage for him in that trade. I'd rather just have him as a quality backup

 

[McGruff]

Wow they got some garbage for him in that trade. I'd rather just have him as a quality backup

In all likelyhood the problem for Moffitts that he was being outplayed by other backups for the quality backup role n the team. Guys like Bowie and Bailey were looking stronger and have greater versatility and upside. Johnson, whomI like but haven't been impressed with, is reportedly being taken seriously by the coaching staff. Lem can play center and guard, and is similar I many ways to John.

That being said, I do look at this a little like getting a 7th round pick for Rob Sims. Like Sims, Moffitt wasn't a good scheme fit, but could go on to have a successful career for another team.

 

[-The Glove-]

Moffit's a psychic too?

His last tweet was on June 2nd.

"@Moffitt74: Ok it was a fun ride!! Bye!"

 

[FlyingGreg]

Moffit's a psychic too?

His last tweet was on June 2nd.

"@Moffitt74: Ok it was a fun ride!! Bye!"

He was taking a sabbatical from Twitter...but yeah it looks clairvoyant now.

 

[jammerhawk]

In the end Moffitt never realized his potential here after his 1st season, which was injury shortened. There was just something missing, speed, desire to be stronger, competitive fire, maybe he just didn't fit. I liked his personality a great deal but thought his game could use some improvement.

In all I thought he might be on the bubble as he could never rise his play to be better than Sweezy or McQuistan and perhaps his best was what we saw from him and it wasn't better than some of the younger guys. Good luck John in your new location!

The NFL is a cruel place and some more favorites are going to be gone soon with the final cuts.

 

[Largent80]

Could it also be that Jesse Williams is so far behind that in combination with our young O-Line players that they may see something in Sanford that they feel would step in and do a better job, then stash Williams on the P.S.?

 

[Sarlacc83]

On the one hand, I agree that draft position doesn't matter much when it goes to showing signs on the field, but on the other hand, it's my opinion that the ability to draft deep should come in addition to being able to consistently identify talent in the first round and second round. I do understand it's a lottery, in essence, but at the same time, I feel like our top picks (because of the high standards) should be more Okung and ET and less Irvin and Carpenter.

The thing about high picks is that there isn't much difference in the team's draft boards across the league. It isn't really until the 3rd/4th round that the better FO's truly separate themselves. If Seattle passes on Carpenter there were 3 other first round teams right after Seattle that wanted to take him. Also, Seattle picked late in the 1st and 2nd rounds, and they never really had access to any true first round talents that year. You don't get talents like Okung and Thomas at #25 very often.

If you look at the guys we didn't pick at #25 that year, who stands out?

Dalton?

Kaepernick?

I'm glad we passed on them (purely in retrospect). Sheard has been okay. These are all 2nd rounders, btw. Wilkerson has been pretty solid for New York. Kyle Rudolph was a nice pick, but he was a mid-2nd. Remember too, Seattle's plan A was to trade down there, but they ended up going with plan B.

The idea that you need to hit on high picks to justify success is so not the Seahawks. That seems like the kind of mentality of the old-fashioned, non-innovative teams in the NFL, just hope to hit early (which is more dumb luck than skill, since everyone's boards are 90% the same in round 1), grab a franchise QB, profit. What matters is actually getting results, and there is something to be said about our FO's ability to churn out players and rely on a great coaching staff to polish those diamonds- to produce amazing results by doing things differently.

I wanted Jimmy Smith that year, and while he'd probably be expendable on this team, he also could probably get traded for a pretty nice price. (At the time we didn't know we were going to get Sherman, though I'm sure the front office planned on taking him.)

When it comes to not getting talents like Okung or ET late in the first round (and by the way, half of Pete and John's first picks have been 'high', except that they traded back from in 2012 so it's not really an excuse, yet, to say they've been hampered by draft position), isn't that at odds with what I'm trying to say? In other words, shouldn't John and Pete be able to identify elite talent just as easily, if not more easily, in the first than the 5th?

Also, you seem to get the impression I'm down on the draft or the process; I was simply pointing out (and bemoaning) that the first half of the 2011 draft hasn't gone our way. I'm not bagging on them for making mistakes, because you have to make mistakes in order to learn from them, but I don't think it should be anathema to say things ought to have gone better given the talent in the process, either.

 

[themunn]

When it comes to not getting talents like Okung or ET late in the first round (and by the way, half of Pete and John's first picks have been 'high', except that they traded back from in 2012 so it's not really an excuse, yet, to say they've been hampered by draft position), isn't that at odds with what I'm trying to say? In other words, shouldn't John and Pete be able to identify elite talent just as easily, if not more easily, in the first than the 5th?

Not necessarily, because sometimes the elite talent simply isn't there. That was the case this year, and I think in part, that's come from the lesson learned from the 2011 draft, that you don't just draft for the sake of it - though remember at the time the FO wanted to trade down even further from where they were... and still pick Carpenter. The lack of interested parties forced their hand.

As it stands, I think Moffitt is still a fine selection at the middle of the 3rd round, it just so happens we found better talent later on.
Also I think the fact that we picked up Moffit with the 2011 75th selection and Wilson with the 2012 75th selection skews the perception of how good third round picks are going to be. Look at the players picked in the 2010-2012 third rounds. Maybe 4 players from the almost 100 or so picked would improve our team (I'm including Russell Wilson in those 100 since he DID improve our team).
There's no saying that any of those 3 we didn't pick weren't on our draft board either - Navarro Bowman and Jimmy Graham were picked at the end of the third round, and we didn't have a third round pick, Justin Houston was picked before we selected Moffit (and remember we had to trade down from the 2nd round to get that 3rd round pick in the first place, as once again we didn't have one).

I'd say we missed on Durham that year too (obviously), but it's testament to the ability that the FO have in identifying talent that we can look at a draft where we picked up an All-Pro cornerback, a quality starting linebacker and an O-Lineman with potential to dominate if he ever sees the field and still consider it a bad draft.
There aren't many teams in the league that can pick up 3 starters in the draft each year, and players like Moffit and Maxwell are starter quality, it just happens to be that we're picking up even better players that it looks as if it's a bad draft.

 

[Sarlacc83]

When it comes to not getting talents like Okung or ET late in the first round (and by the way, half of Pete and John's first picks have been 'high', except that they traded back from in 2012 so it's not really an excuse, yet, to say they've been hampered by draft position), isn't that at odds with what I'm trying to say? In other words, shouldn't John and Pete be able to identify elite talent just as easily, if not more easily, in the first than the 5th?

Not necessarily, because sometimes the elite talent simply isn't there. That was the case this year, and I think in part, that's come from the lesson learned from the 2011 draft, that you don't just draft for the sake of it - though remember at the time the FO wanted to trade down even further from where they were... and still pick Carpenter. The lack of interested parties forced their hand.

I agree with this, because it actually works with the point I'm made about learning from mistakes. I think 2011 made our front office say in 2013, "You know, we didn't have one of those guys identified and drafted anyway, and it hasn't really worked out for us. I wonder if we can swing a trade for a player we really do like?" And lo and behold, we now have Harvin. If that's the case, then it makes my point that the front half of the 2011 draft could have gone better, doesn't it?

 

[Throwdown]

There goes all the Real Rob Report entertainment. Other than that...

Chris Maragos, and Brandon Browner were funnier anyway.

 

[CANHawk]

ray: Please let Sanford become the Chris Clemons of 3-techniques... ray:

 

[HawkFan72]

Wow they got some garbage for him in that trade. I'd rather just have him as a quality backup

You could copy and paste this post into just about every trade thread since JS got here. People this same thing every time.

 

[themunn]

I agree with this, because it actually works with the point I'm made about learning from mistakes. I think 2011 made our front office say in 2013, "You know, we didn't have one of those guys identified and drafted anyway, and it hasn't really worked out for us. I wonder if we can swing a trade for a player we really do like?" And lo and behold, we now have Harvin. If that's the case, then it makes my point that the front half of the 2011 draft could have gone better, doesn't it?

In part, but it also overlooks the part of my comment that said they wanted to trade further down and the opportunity just wasn't there. You can identify all the right talent in all the right places, but if other teams don't play ball, there's not much you can do it about it other than accept you won't get the value you hoped for.

Maybe they hoped they could trade down from 25 to the mid 30s and pick up a 3rd round pick, then they wouldn't have had any need to trade away their 2nd round pick, and we'd be looking at a completely different draft.

Perhaps this year JS and PC felt they could get a better deal for their first round pick on draft day, but decided that rather than take the risk that the opportunity wasn't there like in 2011, that they'd deal for a known commodity in Harvin. Of course maybe that wasn't the case and they just wanted Harvin full stop, but we'll never really know.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I think we all saw this one coming.

Moffitt hasn't lived up to what the Hawks excepted of him, on the field or off. He's been routinely grading out very low after games as the weakest link on the offensive line, and he doesn't fit Cable's nasty roadgrader style of lineman he wants in this system.

Add in the arrests, suspensions and the emergence of Sweezy, and there you have it. Traded.

Could we have gotten more for Moffitt? Maybe, but I think this was more of a message sender than trying to get value for him. If you get drafted, play soft, get in trouble, you're gone.

 

[Jville]

When a coaching staff makes the decision to go in a different direction, it is a classy move to find a mutually beneficial move that benefits everyone.

John Moffitt flys into Cleveland to fill a need as a starting guard. From a Seahawk perspective, that's taking care of John Moffitt. What John does with this new opportunity is in his hands. I think player agents will make note of this trade.

The player Seattle received in return addresses a continuing need to find and develop a 3 technique starter that can also slide outside on passing downs. It is up to Brian Sanford to seize this opportunity in Seattle.

 

[HawkGA]

I'd have preferred a draft pick. Even a 7th rounder. I just don't see the hole for him to fill here. Maybe the thinking is we get 4 to 6 games out of him while Irvin is out and Clemons comes off the PUP (if he goes on it), but it seems to me we're pretty stacked (on paper) at the dline. At least a 7th next year could give the draftniks something to get excited about when we start comparing the number of draft choices the Hawks have compared to other teams.

 

[HawkFan72]

I'd have preferred a draft pick. Even a 7th rounder. I just don't see the hole for him to fill here. Maybe the thinking is we get 4 to 6 games out of him while Irvin is out and Clemons comes off the PUP (if he goes on it), but it seems to me we're pretty stacked (on paper) at the dline. At least a 7th next year could give the draftniks something to get excited about when we start comparing the number of draft choices the Hawks have compared to other teams.

The Seahawks have played 2 games and then the FO goes out and acquires 2 new D-linemen. They obviously see something they are not satisfied with.

Perhaps they are not as strong on the D-line as you think they are.

I'm going to trust that they see things on film they don't like and they are going after players that they think can fix the problem.

 

[SDHawk]

There goes all the Real Rob Report entertainment. Other than that...

Chris Maragos, and Brandon Browner were funnier anyway.

Disagree!

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