John Moffitt Traded

[kearly]

On the one hand, I agree that draft position doesn't matter much when it goes to showing signs on the field, but on the other hand, it's my opinion that the ability to draft deep should come in addition to being able to consistently identify talent in the first round and second round. I do understand it's a lottery, in essence, but at the same time, I feel like our top picks (because of the high standards) should be more Okung and ET and less Irvin and Carpenter.

The thing about high picks is that there isn't much difference in the team's draft boards across the league. It isn't really until the 3rd/4th round that the better FO's truly separate themselves. If Seattle passes on Carpenter there were 3 other first round teams right after Seattle that wanted to take him. Also, Seattle picked late in the 1st and 2nd rounds, and they never really had access to any true first round talents that year. You don't get talents like Okung and Thomas at #25 very often.

If you look at the guys we didn't pick at #25 that year, who stands out?

Dalton?

Kaepernick?

I'm glad we passed on them (purely in retrospect). Sheard has been okay. These are all 2nd rounders, btw. Wilkerson has been pretty solid for New York. Kyle Rudolph was a nice pick, but he was a mid-2nd. Remember too, Seattle's plan A was to trade down there, but they ended up going with plan B.

The idea that you need to hit on high picks to justify success is so not the Seahawks. That seems like the kind of mentality of the old-fashioned, non-innovative teams in the NFL, just hope to hit early (which is more dumb luck than skill, since everyone's boards are 90% the same in round 1), grab a franchise QB, profit. What matters is actually getting results, and there is something to be said about our FO's ability to churn out players and rely on a great coaching staff to polish those diamonds- to produce amazing results by doing things differently.

 

[FlyingGreg]

I thought his play was very underrated here on .NET.

I don’t think anyone on .NET would have said much about his play if it weren’t for his clowning around on RRR and his late season benching. He was far better in pass protection than Sweezy last season. That’s the straight up truth. However, this is a team that puts a premium on run-blocking. Sweezy flashed in that area, and Moffitt’s lack of pure athleticism meant he probably didn’t have great upside there. Doesn’t mean that he wouldn’t have won out on a team that put a higher premium on pass protection, where he was clearly better. I don't consider this a big loss considering what we've seen out of Bailey and others, but I thought Moffitt was a solid player and wish him the best.

There's a shred of truth to what you are trying to say, but he also did not play well. He could not beat out a rookie DT conversion project ... which spoke volumes.

Moffitt was serviceable, but the upside with the young guys made him expendable.

 

[kearly]

There's a shred of truth to what you are trying to say, but he also did not play well. He could not beat out a rookie DT conversion project ... which spoke volumes

I think it says a lot more about Sweezy than Moffitt. Sweezy looked like a stud last preseason, IMO.

 

[FlyingGreg]

There's a shred of truth to what you are trying to say, but he also did not play well. He could not beat out a rookie DT conversion project ... which spoke volumes

I think it says a lot more about Sweezy than Moffitt. Sweezy looked like a stud last preseason, IMO.

It's both. Sweezy's upside highlighted Moffitt's ceiling. Moffitt didn't pan out, plain and simple. But I think without Sweezy, Moffitt would still be here.

 

[Scottemojo]

I am going to miss Moffitt, he is a hilarious dude. And as maligned as he is by the fans, he was a decent guard who played as hard as he was capable.

I will miss the booger eating freak.

 

[kearly]

There's a shred of truth to what you are trying to say, but he also did not play well. He could not beat out a rookie DT conversion project ... which spoke volumes

I think it says a lot more about Sweezy than Moffitt. Sweezy looked like a stud last preseason, IMO.

It's both. Sweezy's upside highlighted Moffitt's ceiling. Moffitt didn't pan out, plain and simple. But I think without Sweezy, Moffitt would still be here.

I think on any other team, Moffitt at least finishes out his rookie contract. I don't see him as a failure, I think it's pretty clear he got pushed out by Bailey and Bowie and maybe Johnson. I think Sweezy actually had little to do with it. After last preseason it was pretty clear that Sweezy was the future at the position; his upside is Unger+. The question then became if Moffitt could survive as a backup, but after the first two preseason games, our new backup lineman have looked really good and Moffitt ended up on the wrong side of the bubble.

 

[FlyingGreg]

I think on any other team, Moffitt at least finishes out his rookie contract. I don't see him as a failure, I think it's pretty clear he got pushed out by Bailey and Bowie and maybe Johnson. I think Sweezy actually had little to do with it. After last preseason it was pretty clear that Sweezy was the future at the position; his upside is Unger+. The question then became if Moffitt could survive as a backup, but after the first two preseason games, our new backup lineman have looked really good and Moffitt ended up on the wrong side of the bubble.

Since Sweezy is the one who took his job, you can't really say Sweezy had "little to do with it". Sweezy had the MOST to do with it in that light...

But yeah, the play of Bailey and Bowie certainly expedited this move, I would agree.

 

[rideaducati]

Poor guy. I wouldn't wish Cleveland on anyone.

 

[Seahawk Sailor]

Just because he didn't work out here as a Seahawk doesn't mean he's a bust. I'd bet he has a decent chance at starting long-term in Cleveland, and indeed in a bunch of other places. He's a victim of our continual building of depth through competition. Doesn't mean he isn't starter material elsewhere.

 

[VaporHawk]

Just because he didn't work out here as a Seahawk doesn't mean he's a bust. I'd bet he has a decent chance at starting long-term in Cleveland, and indeed in a bunch of other places. He's a victim of our continual building of depth through competition. Doesn't mean he isn't starter material elsewhere.

I hope you are right. I wish him well.

If it were a cut or trade decision I am glad it was a trade.

 

[sc85sis]

Article up on .com now: http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/a ... 7bf3778abc

 

[Happypuppy]

Even a below average guard (that can play center in a pinch) can have a pretty good career. Remember some of those guards that played here for a season or part of one in the past ? He was a very personable guy and I will miss his wit. Remember when we signed and wheeled out ancient Robinson in that role after having to use a DB to long snap in a game?

 

[loafoftatupu]

I am gonna miss Moffitt, he was the Robbie Tobeck of the next-gen Hawks. He was serviceable and kind of fun.

Then there is the part of me that can't find many faults on PC/JS. They seem to hit on a high percentage of their decisions. Tom Cable is in place and he can churn out OL guys, we needed help at DLine and could afford it. Bummer, but the Hawks are in the business of winning.

RRR took a hit though.

 

[bestfightstory]

Glad he is gone. He never had what it takes to be a part of this team. Face it.

 

[pehawk]

He'll carve out an average career.

Why couldn't we pry something from Dallas, though? Has to be an out of conference thing.

 

[Sharkahawkolic]

I just changed my name from billio155...it didn't feel Hawkiness enough.

So there seems to be a little J.S. and P.C. protection going on here. Here is the truth: We have an outstanding GM and head coach. The dynamic duo has pulled pro-bowl talent out of nearly every round. In 2011 they did not have a good draft because they drafted for need. They have not made that mistake again...that is all. It's ok folks..we made some mistakes and are moving on.

 

[BattleOfSeattle]

Interesting move. I believe this is the first player drafted by Carroll and Schneider to be traded.

It makes sense from a depth standpoint—trading from a position of strength for a position of relative weakness—with both players being young and inexpensive. I'll reserve judgement until I've seen Sanford play. Best of luck to Moffit in his future. His sense of humor on the Real Rob Report will be missed.

 

[kearly]

Since Sweezy is the one who took his job, you can't really say Sweezy had "little to do with it". Sweezy had the MOST to do with it in that light...

But yeah, the play of Bailey and Bowie certainly expedited this move, I would agree.

The Seahawks love to have guys making $500k a year as quality backups. Which Moffitt was. Normally, they'd be more than happy with Moffitt as quality depth. He lost his chance to start because of Sweezy, but he lost his roster spot because Bailey and Bowie.

 

[kearly]

I just changed my name from billio155...it didn't feel Hawkiness enough.

Might want to put that in your sig for a while since a lot of people won't see this message in page 6 of a thread.

Also, the Seahawks had a pretty strong 2011 draft, especially when factoring UDFA which is part of the draft process. I don't know why people keep repeating this. They did draft for need, and I agree that especially in 2011 that wasn't ideal, but they maintained the same philosophy in 2012 when they took Irvin and Wagner about a round earlier than a lot of pundits had those prospects. Drafting for need should really be called drafting for biggest upgrade, and that's (allegedly) how JS has graded every prospect since coming here. It's just a little more obvious when it's a reach in the early rounds that doesn't work out.

 

[bestfightstory]

And Sweezy, Bailey, and Bowie are ALL here because Moffit wasn't good enough. Just face it.