Jim Harbaugh Says Ray McDonald Will Play On Sunday

[Marvin49]

I just think more info should have came out on it. I know if I hit a co worker especially with a weapon and people sign statements saying I did it the following will happen
1. I am no longer employed
2. I am going to be held criminally liable.
3. You can bet I am not going to be welcome back to the next company function while they let a less valuable employee go that I assaulted.

Honestly I don't have the first clue what happened. I heard a rumor that Ahmed hit him because he threw his keys in a bush. I've heard he was essentially extorting Ahmed. I got no idea. Bottom line he didn't press charges. This isn't domestic abuse, so police really can't do much if the victim doesn't press charges.

Extortion?! Lol.

Oh, Marvin, you never disappoint. Victim is the criminal. :th2thumbs:

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Dude. It was one of the rumors at the time. The rumor was that he wanted money to make it go away. Telling you the rumors that were prevalent at the time.

I guess I'm only allowed to give the bad ones tho.

 

[loafoftatupu]

Can you not see how I'd find that humorous? I post comments from his mom that are very much on topic and peeps say I'm somehow calling it evidence. Lol.

Take a step back peeps. Lol.

Whoa there Skipper, on topic with what?

I thought the thread was about Ray McViolent and his assault case.

I don't recall it being Ray's momma loves him.

Placing that statement in a thread, where people are stating their opinion, on a Seahawks board, about the guy playing or thinking that he choked his baby momma, is either off topic, or intended to paint a pretty picture. A picture from quite possibly the worst person in the universe to get a reasonable view from.

 

[Marvin49]

Can you not see how I'd find that humorous? I post comments from his mom that are very much on topic and peeps say I'm somehow calling it evidence. Lol.

Take a step back peeps. Lol.

Whoa there Skipper, on topic with what?

I thought the thread was about Ray McViolent and his assault case.

I don't recall it being Ray's momma loves him.

Placing that statement in a thread, where people are stating their opinion, on a Seahawks board, about the guy playing or thinking that he choked his baby momma, is either off topic, or intended to paint a pretty picture. A picture from quite possibly the worst person in the universe to get a reasonable view from.

Lol. If you say so thread topic police.

 

[loafoftatupu]

I guess I'm only allowed to give the bad ones tho.

And more extremist drama...

And after all the times I backed you. That's just cold man.

 

[Laloosh]

I just think more info should have came out on it. I know if I hit a co worker especially with a weapon and people sign statements saying I did it the following will happen
1. I am no longer employed
2. I am going to be held criminally liable.
3. You can bet I am not going to be welcome back to the next company function while they let a less valuable employee go that I assaulted.

Honestly I don't have the first clue what happened. I heard a rumor that Ahmed hit him because he threw his keys in a bush. I've heard he was essentially extorting Ahmed. I got no idea. Bottom line he didn't press charges. This isn't domestic abuse, so police really can't do much if the victim doesn't press charges.

Extortion?! Lol.

Oh, Marvin, you never disappoint. Victim is the criminal. :th2thumbs:

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Dude. It was one of the rumors at the time. The rumor was that he wanted money to make it go away. Telling you the rumors that were prevalent at the time.

I guess I'm only allowed to give the bad ones tho.

I loved that one. Cool story.

 

[loafoftatupu]

Lol. If you say so thread topic police.

There will be no name calling.... Junior.

 

[bigtrain21]

Since the other thread is dead...

....for what its worth...

Mike Rosenberg ‏@RosenbergMerc · 22m
"It's not true and it will all come out." - #49ers Ray McDonald's mom.

...not that I'd expect her to say anything else.

It's worth nothing so why would you even post it spin master. Just stop. Really.

Yup. I'm spinning it so hard that I was the person who started the initial thread on the topic.

Sigh.

I would like to thank Marvin for starting the initial thread on this. We likely would not have known about this situation had he not started the thread.

 

[Laloosh]

Since the other thread is dead...

....for what its worth...

Mike Rosenberg ‏@RosenbergMerc · 22m
"It's not true and it will all come out." - #49ers Ray McDonald's mom.

...not that I'd expect her to say anything else.

It's worth nothing so why would you even post it spin master. Just stop. Really.

Yup. I'm spinning it so hard that I was the person who started the initial thread on the topic.

Sigh.

I would like to thank Marvin for starting the initial thread on this. We likely would not have known about this situation had he not started the thread.

Good PR folks get out in front of these things...

 

[bigtrain21]

Since the other thread is dead...

....for what its worth...

Mike Rosenberg ‏@RosenbergMerc · 22m
"It's not true and it will all come out." - #49ers Ray McDonald's mom.

...not that I'd expect her to say anything else.

It's worth nothing so why would you even post it spin master. Just stop. Really.

Yup. I'm spinning it so hard that I was the person who started the initial thread on the topic.

Sigh.

I would like to thank Marvin for starting the initial thread on this. We likely would not have known about this situation had he not started the thread.

Good PR folks get out in front of these things...

How dare you accuse him of that! He was just informing us of it because he thought we might want to know. It was very nice of him.

 

[Scottemojo]

So the Niners suspend the play by play guy for making comments about Janay Palmer, but Ray plays? That must be what Harbaugh meant about zero tolerance.

 

[Geologic]

Remember when Marshawn Lynch was arrested for a DUI in 2012? He was given due process and was allowed to play. Let's give Ray McDonald due process.

 

[Marvin49]

Remember when Marshawn Lynch was arrested for a DUI in 2012? He was given due process and was allowed to play. Let's give Ray McDonald due process.

Madness.

 

[hawknation2014]

Remember when Marshawn Lynch was arrested for a DUI in 2012? He was given due process and was allowed to play. Let's give Ray McDonald due process.

Madness.

DUI is not the same as domestic violence. Employers generally treat these crimes differently.

Also, the specific circumstances of Lynch's arrest were odd. He blew a .08 exactly and was only tested once. Usually the police will do multiple tests because they tend to vary from .01-.02. Had he taken this case to a jury in San Francisco, he would have likely been acquitted. As it stands, he pled guilty to reckless driving in order to avoid a trial.

No evidence has come out in the McDonald case that would appear to acquit him of domestic violence. His fiancee told police that McDonald hit her and tried to pull her out of the house at 2 AM. And there was physical evidence of violence on her neck and arms. The 49ers are hiding behind "due process," so that McDonald can play out the entire season, when most similarly situated employees would have been put on administrative leave.

 

[NINEster]

Remember when Marshawn Lynch was arrested for a DUI in 2012? He was given due process and was allowed to play. Let's give Ray McDonald due process.

Madness.

DUI is not the same as domestic violence. Employers generally treat these crimes differently.

Also, the specific circumstances of Lynch's arrest were odd. He blew a .08 exactly and was only tested once. Usually the police will do multiple tests because they tend to vary from .01-.02. Had he taken this case to a jury in San Francisco, he would have likely been acquitted. As it stands, he pled guilty to reckless driving in order to avoid a trial.

No evidence has come out in the McDonald case that would appear to acquit him of domestic violence. His fiancee told police that McDonald hit her and tried to pull her out of the house at 2 AM. And there was physical evidence of violence on her neck and arms. The 49ers are hiding behind "due process," so that McDonald can play out the entire season, when most similarly situated employees would have been put on administrative leave.

Employers and most of society treat DUI differently from domestic violence because for the most part if there is no accident it's a "harmless crime" (and "everybody does it"), but for the victims' families and a percentage of the population that holds that moral high ground, DUI is seen as equal or worse than DV because of the potential for tragedy.

There are people who get very, very angry at the mere act of DUI with desires to have much stricter punishments than already exist.

So don't try and dismiss it as a minor crime because the worst case scenario is manslaughter and many years in jail although I guess with Donte Stallworth as a precedent, an NFL player would just be out a few million and a lost season.

BTW, that was a very favorable outcome for Lynch. I've seen first hand what the DWAI (0.05 - 0.07) process looks like in NY and it's laughable how easily he got off with an official DWI. CA is lenient on their drunk drivers with this "wet and reckless" crap.

Also lost a job I was about to start two days after the incident after informing the employer about it -- I would have to show up late that first day to pick up the car from impound as this happened over the weekend. I could have avoided it easily with a little more craftiness, but decided to be up front and that was my reward. Talk about making a judgment call without the benefit of due process (eventually was plea bargained to a bunch of annoying s*** like ignition interlock for 4 months -- but no conviction on record).

No sympathies sought here.....it was a valuable learning experience that was good to have happened........just amusing the world of difference of the DUI perception between those who have been caught and those who haven't been caught yet. :th2thumbs:

 

[NINEster]

What's really annoying about this is spinning arguments to justify the crime or punish it depending on what jersey the player is wearing.

How sad all of this is that we extend our homer biases when it comes to personal/legal matters.

Naturally, no "DUI is not DV" talk when it comes to A. Smith....just apply it for the chosen one.

The argument on the severity of each case means nothing -- one person didn't hit anything, the other did. But it very easily could have been reversed.......just one person was luckier than the other.

First offense, second....same thing.

As I've said before, lots of people are never arrested for this sorta thing because they never got caught. It's a deplorable thing to do, and if you want to take the moral high ground on this you need to be consistent all across the board. Drunk driving is drunk driving, BAC counts be damned.

And domestic violence is domestic violence, whether your victim is knocked unconscious or not.

Most people are looking at the Ray Rice thing without any bias, but I'm sure over in Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Cleveland he is OJ Simpson.

 

[Scottemojo]

If Seattle had chosen to sit Lynch a game, I would have applauded the move.

Of course, Lynch's offense happened in the off season, so any team discipline would have been several months later.

 

[hawknation2014]

Remember when Marshawn Lynch was arrested for a DUI in 2012? He was given due process and was allowed to play. Let's give Ray McDonald due process.

Madness.

DUI is not the same as domestic violence. Employers generally treat these crimes differently.

Also, the specific circumstances of Lynch's arrest were odd. He blew a .08 exactly and was only tested once. Usually the police will do multiple tests because they tend to vary from .01-.02. Had he taken this case to a jury in San Francisco, he would have likely been acquitted. As it stands, he pled guilty to reckless driving in order to avoid a trial.

No evidence has come out in the McDonald case that would appear to acquit him of domestic violence. His fiancee told police that McDonald hit her and tried to pull her out of the house at 2 AM. And there was physical evidence of violence on her neck and arms. The 49ers are hiding behind "due process," so that McDonald can play out the entire season, when most similarly situated employees would have been put on administrative leave.

Employers and most of society treat DUI differently from domestic violence because for the most part if there is no accident it's a "harmless crime" (and "everybody does it"), but for the victims' families and a percentage of the population that holds that moral high ground, DUI is seen as equal or worse than DV because of the potential for tragedy.

There are people who get very, very angry at the mere act of DUI with desires to have much stricter punishments than already exist.

So don't try and dismiss it as a minor crime because the worst case scenario is manslaughter and many years in jail although I guess with Donte Stallworth as a precedent, an NFL player would just be out a few million and a lost season.

BTW, that was a very favorable outcome for Lynch. I've seen first hand what the DWAI (0.05 - 0.07) process looks like in NY and it's laughable how easily he got off with an official DWI. CA is lenient on their drunk drivers with this "wet and reckless" crap.

Also lost a job I was about to start two days after the incident after informing the employer about it -- I would have to show up late that first day to pick up the car from impound as this happened over the weekend. I could have avoided it easily with a little more craftiness, but decided to be up front and that was my reward. Talk about making a judgment call without the benefit of due process (eventually was plea bargained to a bunch of annoying s*** like ignition interlock for 4 months -- but no conviction on record).

No sympathies sought here.....it was a valuable learning experience that was good to have happened........just amusing the world of difference of the DUI perception between those who have been caught and those who haven't been caught yet. :th2thumbs:

The reason Lynch and Aldon's drunk driving arrests were perceived differently is because the circumstances were in fact very different. Aldon already had a drunk driving arrest on his record. His BAC was twice the legal limit on his second arrest, while Lynch's was borderline illegal depending on the perceived reliability of a single breathalyzer result. In fact, Aldon was so drunk that he smashed his car into a tree. Lynch was ultimately convicted of reckless driving, not a DUI.

The one thing they had in common was the absence of a victim. Had either injured a person, as McDonald is accused of doing, it would have been irresponsible not to sit Lynch pending the results of the investigation. Employers suspend employees accused of domestic violence and put them on administrative leave out of respect for the victim -- as well as respect for their female clients and employees.

 

[Uncle Si]

What's sad about this thread is the desperate attempts to back favorite players in the shadow of serious crimes.

We are falling on the "burden of proof" as a means to rationalize allowing professional athletes to continue to entertain us despite accusations of serious crimes (DUI, PEDs, domestic abuse... pick one). We push vehemently for our favorite players to be given that sacred right of "innocent until proven guilty"? Why? because we care so much about due process? Because we honor the institutions set by the Constitution?

No. We want our favorite team to win. Matters to noone the precedents these enabling behaviors set, for the league, its players, its unions, owners and ultimately its fans.

the NFL is entertainment. we are foresaking better judment for the hope these players can help our favorite team. To suggest is otherwise is simple bulls---.

If Harbaugh had the least bit of credibility he would have sat Ray the next game. Just one game. Give the story a chance to pan out. Give the man a chance to start sorting his life out. Regardless if anything happened, something surely is happening that needs to be dealt with. Let the organization illustrate it takes accusations of these incidences seriously and is acting to the best interests of its players, their families, their fans and hell, why not, society at best.

but screw that.. we have to win on Sunday. and thats the main issue... they think winning is in the best interest of all.

Start laying a marker down. Seattle could have done it with Lynch (DUI, at any level of intoxication, is a serious crime. ask anyone who has lost someone to a DUI accident. its selfish, reprehensible behavior, regardless of whether the offender actually smashed into someone or not, there are victims). their are hundreds of other examples as well. But nope, we let "due process" run its course (which typically is just plea deals or the cases being thrown out) and life in the NFL keeps chugging along.

What you end up with is an atmosphere that allows the Ray Rice situation to exist. An organization and entity that works diligently to allow its players to play and enables the idea that our athletes shouldnt be held to a higher standard, but instead will be less susceptible to social norms than its own fans.

ridiculous....set a marker. set a tone. set a precedent. Goodell, gone. increase suspensions of specific crimes and set the actual timetable as he just did with domestic violence. dont wait for "due process". Just give them some time. The league will survive if a few players miss some games because they were involved (with or without actual charges being filed) in a criminal investigation. Think of the completely different perception we would all have for the 9ers and Harbaugh if Ray sat just one week. Just one.

tidy this mess up. a multi billion dollar industry should feel comfortable (hell, proud) of holding itself to a higher standard, not abusing the sentiments of its fans.

 

[loafoftatupu]

The reason Lynch and Aldon's drunk driving arrests were perceived differently is because the circumstances were in fact very different. Aldon already had a drunk driving arrest on his record. His BAC was twice the legal limit on his second arrest, while Lynch's was borderline illegal depending on the perceived reliability of a single breathalyzer result. In fact, Aldon was so drunk that he smashed his car into a tree. Lynch was ultimately convicted of reckless driving, not a DUI.

The one thing they had in common was the absence of a victim. Had either injured a person, as McDonald is accused of doing, it would have been irresponsible not to sit Lynch pending the results of the investigation. Employers suspend employees accused of domestic violence and put them on administrative leave out of respect for the victim -- as well as respect for their female clients and employees.

Smith had a wet reckless. It was reduced. Lynch has one from a few years ago too.[/quote]

It was still different though, in that Lynch blew a disputable reading, without sn accident or injury. We all know what Smith did and was cited for such None of it equates to domestic violence.

 

[rideaducati]

Not really surprised by this. I mean, it's not like Harbaugh would actually keep his word about his view on men who beat women. Clearly he meant every word on how someone who does that is done in his book. :roll:

It's not like it has been established that anyone actually beat a woman. Could have been that she attacked him in a drunken rage and he was just restraining her. Could be someone else hit her. I don't see how it is right to bench a player because he was ACCUSED of something before all of the evidence has actually been looked at.

But that's me. Maybe you think intuition is more trustworthy than objective facts.

Waiting for the judicial system to drop the case even though there is enough evidence to convict has worked very well for this niner organization recently. If the almighty government lets these guys off, who are the niners to dispense punishment?