Jim Harbaugh in the refs ears before and during the game

[loafoftatupu]

Harbafreak is the king whiner of all Niners. Oh well, it won't matter down the road.

 

[hawkfannj]

Pete could have and should have been doing the same thing . Was it not Kevin Gilbright who was in the media before the 9 ers played the giants and said keep an eye out on Justin smith holding . And what happened there they flagged smith a lot that day . Brilliant coaching IMHO . Hate harbaugh for doing it but does not negate the fact is he got what he wanted in that respect . Is it dirty hell yeah did they get a win because of it ... Maybe

 

[HawKnPeppa]

Pete could have and should have been doing the same thing . Was it not Kevin Gilbright who was in the media before the 9 ers played the giants and said keep an eye out on Justin smith holding . And what happened there they flagged smith a lot that day . Brilliant coaching IMHO . Hate harbaugh for doing it but does not negate the fact is he got what he wanted in that respect . Is it dirty hell yeah did they get a win because of it ... Maybe

This. Working the officials is not against any rule, and Pete has the same opportunity. I really don't think Harbaugh convinced them to officiate any differently, but when you keep harping on something, the ref's eyes are more likely to look in that area to verify if nothing else. .

 

[Rocket]

Harbaugh was playing cerebral football. He can't do it by playing the game, he had to enlist the sideline lady to lobby the refs. He may not have gotten in the refs heads as deep as Sherman gets, but he clearly had an effect.
It was a rather chickensh!t way to coach, but that fits Harbaugh.

 

[Tical21]

Meh, part of his job. He does it more whiningly than anybody else, but getting a team's point across to he referees is ultimately the responsibility of the head coach.

 

[Evil_Shenanigans]

Just stop talking about him! He doesn't matter! What matters is that the penalties killed our drives and that is what we can control.

 

[idahohawk]

Respectfully disagree. If anything, all that yelling, whining, and crying should make the refs go the other way. Makes it even more impressive that the Hawks still committed so many penalties. Part of the package deal of having a vocal, aggressive defense is getting the spotlight from the referees and media. Get used to it.

I'm not saying it changed the outcome. But didn't it at least have as much an impact on the game as our crowd noise does at our games.

"Politics on the prospective penalties" It's a game Jim seems to play very well.

Kinda sissy-ish though!

 

[ivotuk]

It had zero impact.

The only impact it's going to have is an outbreak of hearty laughter from 49ers fans coming on here and seeing us bitch and moan about stuff like this.

To say the officiating had ZERO impact on the game is disengenuous or you are trying to be contrarian or both.

It would be like saying the officiating is the ONLY reason Seattle lost. Neither statement is true.

It was a contributing factor amongst A LOT of other contributing factors.

.....and who gives a flyin' F what some trolling ninnies idiots think?

I don't get why people put value in what some rivals fanbase thinks about them, that's just a bizarre mentality IMHO.

Thank you!

Pete Carroll said it's all a part of the game planning. Who is the officiating crew? What are their tendencies?

I would think that talking to a referee does help if it's done respectfully and about a legitimate concern. I see Pete jawing with them all the time but mostly he's joking and laughing. But I'm sure coaches look at a referees tendencies, then tries to work that angle by pointing out a players tendencies. "Player X always hooks the receiver with his left hand" or something like that just to get the ref looking for it.

 

[Guardian]

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[ivotuk]

It had zero impact.

The only impact it's going to have is an outbreak of hearty laughter from 49ers fans coming on here and seeing us bitch and moan about stuff like this.

To say the officiating had ZERO impact on the game is disengenuous or you are trying to be contrarian or both.

It would be like saying the officiating is the ONLY reason Seattle lost. Neither statement is true.

It was a contributing factor amongst A LOT of other contributing factors.

.....and who gives a flyin' F what some trolling ninnies idiots think?

I don't get why people put value in what some rivals fanbase thinks about them, that's just a bizarre mentality IMHO.

Unless I'm missing something, English didn't say officiating didn't impact the game, he said Harbaugh's bitching didn't affect the officiating in the game.

I did not read that in his statement. He referred to "it" following a post that said "It's only weird if it doesn't work" So we really have no idea as to which "it" he was referring to.

And there were other parts of the post referenced.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

I just don't get why a lot of people say this game was called pretty "evenly"

It wasn't. Just because San Fran had 7 flags to our 9?

A lot of San Fran's calls were procedural and would be called 99% of the time by all refs.

Most of the Seahawks penalties, were judgment calls, and judgments made seemingly at the right time and right place to kill momentum on offense or give the 49ers' O a second wind.

I assume you all actually watched the game and some re-watched it?

And the rather poor officiating didn't stand-out to you?

On let's say Crabtree's fumble and that is a huge momentum play on field position alone. We saw the refs take that away... if it could have been challenged, Seahawks ball. Momentum shift.

I don't like blaming the refs, as much as anybody, but if they are going to call ticky tack BS judgment calls they better do it consistently. They didn't. And much of the Niner's biggest plays came on premise of flagrant and obvious holds by their offense.

Bennett could have gotten 3rd down sack and ended a 49ers drive. He pretty much was tackled before he could finish the play. No call.

Gore's 51 yard run, a lot of defensive breakdowns but also two blocks in the back and Sherman getting held/pulled away by his arm where he couldn't contain his gap/zone, the crease Gore cutback into for a big, game changing play.

3 plays later after the 51 yard run. Its 3rd and 7. Kaepernick takes the keeper on a designed run. Seemingly on this play, Lane has the outside contain, but like Sherman 3 plays earlier is held by his arms and pulled away from Kaepernick just enough before Lane broke free. And someone else also pointed out that Byron Maxwell was held.

I'm willing to bet if it was Tate in Crabtree's shoes on the fumble or Lynch... 49ers would have got that challenge and the ball. And I'm willing to bet if any of our players held like that while we converted game changing plays, it would have been called. And guess what it was called on us, just not the 49ers.

Also, before anybody thinks I'm whining about the loss, I don't care that we loss, I really don't but where I draw the line is the thinking the 49ers were the better team.

They weren't. They needed to prompt/encourage their crowd for a home game. Harbaugh needed to lobby the officials and whine like the little cockroach he is. Everything about this game painted the Seahawks and "Seattle" as barbaric thugs from the hackjob analysis and reporting to the commercials.

The 49ers merely beat us by 2 points and they needed the refs to look the other way on some of their biggest plays while the Seahawks were getting called for everything and anything.

Yeah, you can say the "officiating was pretty evenly called" but if no penalties were called at all in this game, it would be a Seahawks win.

PS if the Seahawks won, I would still be complaining the officiating. If the Seahawks won the Colts game, it still would have easily been one of the worst officiated I've seen. If the Seahawks won Superbowl XL, it still would have been a poorly officiated game.

Winning nor losing as anything to do with it. Its the people who seem to think the Steelers were the better team, the Colts were the better team, and the 49ers were the better team just because they won.

I won't admit that, I won't ever admit that...my passion as a fan does not allow me to admit something that's not true.

However, with this post I will finally move on and not participate in any other posts on this subject matter as it pointless and futile but at least I stood up for what I believed in and wasn't "political" about it to save face.

 

[sekiuHAWK]

I don't think it was just the refs ears that Harbaugh was in, before, during, or after the game.....

 

[sekiuHAWK]

I just don't get why a lot of people say this game was called pretty "evenly"

It wasn't. Just because San Fran had 7 flags to our 9?

A lot of San Fran's calls were procedural and would be called 99% of the time by all refs.

Most of the Seahawks penalties, were judgment calls, and judgments made seemingly at the right time and right place to kill momentum on offense or give the 49ers' O a second wind.

I assume you all actually watched the game and some re-watched it?

And the rather poor officiating didn't stand-out to you?

On let's say Crabtree's fumble and that is a huge momentum play on field position alone. We saw the refs take that away... if it could have been challenged, Seahawks ball. Momentum shift.

I don't like blaming the refs, as much as anybody, but if they are going to call ticky tack BS judgment calls they better do it consistently. They didn't. And much of the Niner's biggest plays came on premise of flagrant and obvious holds by their offense.

Bennett could have gotten 3rd down sack and ended a 49ers drive. He pretty much was tackled before he could finish the play. No call.

Gore's 51 yard run, a lot of defensive breakdowns but also two blocks in the back and Sherman getting held/pulled away by his arm where he couldn't contain his gap/zone, the crease Gore cutback into for a big, game changing play.

3 plays later after the 51 yard run. Its 3rd and 7. Kaepernick takes the keeper on a designed run. Seemingly on this play, Lane has the outside contain, but like Sherman 3 plays earlier is held by his arms and pulled away from Kaepernick just enough before Lane broke free. And someone else also pointed out that Byron Maxwell was held.

I'm willing to bet if it was Tate in Crabtree's shoes on the fumble or Lynch... 49ers would have got that challenge and the ball. And I'm willing to bet if any of our players held like that while we converted game changing plays, it would have been called. And guess what it was called on us, just not the 49ers.

Also, before anybody thinks I'm whining about the loss, I don't care that we loss, I really don't but where I draw the line is the thinking the 49ers were the better team.

They weren't. They needed to prompt/encourage their crowd for a home game. Harbaugh needed to lobby the officials and whine like the little cockroach he is. Everything about this game painted the Seahawks and "Seattle" as barbaric thugs from the hackjob analysis and reporting to the commercials.

The 49ers merely beat us by 2 points and they needed the refs to look the other way on some of their biggest plays while the Seahawks were getting called for everything and anything.

Yeah, you can say the "officiating was pretty evenly called" but if no penalties were called at all in this game, it would be a Seahawks win.

PS if the Seahawks won, I would still be complaining the officiating. If the Seahawks won the Colts game, it still would have easily been one of the worst officiated I've seen. If the Seahawks won Superbowl XL, it still would have been a poorly officiated game.

Winning nor losing as anything to do with it. Its the people who seem to think the Steelers were the better team, the Colts were the better team, and the 49ers were the better team just because they won.

I won't admit that, I won't ever admit that...my passion as a fan does not allow me to admit something that's not true.

However, with this post I will finally move on and not participate in any other posts on this subject matter as it pointless and futile but at least I stood up for what I believed in and wasn't "political" about it to save face.

Great Post. I agree entirely. I want to see some images of where the Seahawks had calls going their way... People try to take the road with less resistance sometime.... I say, tell it like it is.... which was well done in Pandion Haliaetus's post.

 

[kigenzun]

I just don't get why a lot of people say this game was called pretty "evenly"

It wasn't. Just because San Fran had 7 flags to our 9?

A lot of San Fran's calls were procedural and would be called 99% of the time by all refs.

Most of the Seahawks penalties, were judgment calls, and judgments made seemingly at the right time and right place to kill momentum on offense or give the 49ers' O a second wind.

I assume you all actually watched the game and some re-watched it?

And the rather poor officiating didn't stand-out to you?

On let's say Crabtree's fumble and that is a huge momentum play on field position alone. We saw the refs take that away... if it could have been challenged, Seahawks ball. Momentum shift.

I don't like blaming the refs, as much as anybody, but if they are going to call ticky tack BS judgment calls they better do it consistently. They didn't. And much of the Niner's biggest plays came on premise of flagrant and obvious holds by their offense.

Bennett could have gotten 3rd down sack and ended a 49ers drive. He pretty much was tackled before he could finish the play. No call.

Gore's 51 yard run, a lot of defensive breakdowns but also two blocks in the back and Sherman getting held/pulled away by his arm where he couldn't contain his gap/zone, the crease Gore cutback into for a big, game changing play.

3 plays later after the 51 yard run. Its 3rd and 7. Kaepernick takes the keeper on a designed run. Seemingly on this play, Lane has the outside contain, but like Sherman 3 plays earlier is held by his arms and pulled away from Kaepernick just enough before Lane broke free. And someone else also pointed out that Byron Maxwell was held.

I'm willing to bet if it was Tate in Crabtree's shoes on the fumble or Lynch... 49ers would have got that challenge and the ball. And I'm willing to bet if any of our players held like that while we converted game changing plays, it would have been called. And guess what it was called on us, just not the 49ers.

Also, before anybody thinks I'm whining about the loss, I don't care that we loss, I really don't but where I draw the line is the thinking the 49ers were the better team.

They weren't. They needed to prompt/encourage their crowd for a home game. Harbaugh needed to lobby the officials and whine like the little cockroach he is. Everything about this game painted the Seahawks and "Seattle" as barbaric thugs from the hackjob analysis and reporting to the commercials.

The 49ers merely beat us by 2 points and they needed the refs to look the other way on some of their biggest plays while the Seahawks were getting called for everything and anything.

Yeah, you can say the "officiating was pretty evenly called" but if no penalties were called at all in this game, it would be a Seahawks win.

PS if the Seahawks won, I would still be complaining the officiating. If the Seahawks won the Colts game, it still would have easily been one of the worst officiated I've seen. If the Seahawks won Superbowl XL, it still would have been a poorly officiated game.

Winning nor losing as anything to do with it. Its the people who seem to think the Steelers were the better team, the Colts were the better team, and the 49ers were the better team just because they won.

I won't admit that, I won't ever admit that...my passion as a fan does not allow me to admit something that's not true.

However, with this post I will finally move on and not participate in any other posts on this subject matter as it pointless and futile but at least I stood up for what I believed in and wasn't "political" about it to save face.

Great Post. I agree entirely. I want to see some images of where the Seahawks had calls going their way... People try to take the road with less resistance sometime.... I say, tell it like it is.... which was well done in Pandion Haliaetus's post.

Great great great post. One, if not, your single best yet Pandion. I agree wholeheartedly 100%. First off, I am not complaining about the loss... 19-17 under those conditions was 300 Spartan-esque HEROIC on our teams part; and will, I believe, ultimately "forge" our first Super Bowl ring... I am very very proud of our guys.

I have issue with Aikman, Buck, and their sideline reporter lady blatantly instilling Harbaugh's totalBScrap about our beloved Seahawks style of play into the national audiences minds/eardrums/consciousness. There seriously needs to be a higher standard in the announcers/journalists 'unbiased opinions' being expressed LIVE! with such blatant negative bias. From the truncated Russell Wilson 'pre-game standing on their logo at midfield'-MVP interview, followed by the Kaep 'I'm the Man' headphones commercials during the game, to his post game interview about the "first time he beat the Seahawks", to their offensive coordinators opinions about anything... it was beyond the borderline ridiculousness. Muggings? Give me a break.

And that's just the commercial /entertainment end.

As far as 'officiating". Face it people. The timing of the flags affects the flow of the game; which affects the outcome: its that simple.

My own "evidence of the specific officiating differences in this particualr game" will be 2 examples.
#1) The difference between two different offensive pass interference calls in the first half : one on Golden Tate, one later on Anquan Boldin. I'm sorry, but the "amount and intent' of the contact; it just wasn't the same thing now was it???

#2) As far as Crabtree's fumble. You can't tell me they couldn't see the ball was out on review... or that it was called fairly/evenly... WHEN THEY CHANGED THE CALL MID-REVIEW!!! I watched them overturn a similar call in the early game... in a friggin' blizzard! In my opinion, NFL 'integrity and fairness' means, if they could find evidence to overturn in a blizzard in Philly, they can see Crabtree was not down when they originally called him down by contact on a bright sun shiny day in San Francisco... Bad bad call. At least allow the legitimate challenge flag to be thrown. Geez.

As far as Harbaugh, he reminds me of a cheating husband accusing his wife of infidelity... he has no actual ground to stand on, so he just gets offensive and abusive in his wild arm-waving ranting and raving. But... HE's THE CHEATER, AND HE KNOWS IT. (Which is why IMO he gets such glee out of it postgame when it works...as opposed to his usual mad faced one syllable personality.)

(An Example of this action: The non-call for DPI that Aikman & Buck made such a big deal about. 'Gosh Joe, that shoulda been a call for dpi for sure' on Crabtree/Maxwell. The only way Crab gains the separation in the first place is a running 2-hand push off about 15 yards past the line of scrimmage that gained him 2 yards of INSTANT separation from Max. He then 'was coming back' for an intentionally underthrown deep corner ball, causing Max to desperately collide into his now suddenly stationary form. To me, especially on video review, that looked like a Harbaugh designed play, at a strategic time, against our new-nobody-cornerback to make his point/affect the referees... and whine/beg/throw a sideline conniption fit for the yardage, as opposed to earning/having to make a play for the yardage. I mean, OMG If that's not a "personal foul" I don't know what is... Harbaugh should be flagged &/or fined just for his antics on that one play specifically, let alone the 99 fits throughout the game like it IMHO. )

Ultimately, it all reflects back on the 'integrity' of the shield after all... and not necessarily in a good way. I mean call them for Holding for the love of God already... :snack:

But... alas... I digress... I suppose I can take solace in the memory of the 'Boy who cried Wolf wayyy too many times'; which not surprisingly, fell on deaf ears at the end of the SB vs. the Ravens to get me through the night these next few days... lol. John Harbaugh has class & a Super Bowl Ring: Jim doesn't & never will.

So we lost @ Candlestick's last stand...
So what...

Can you 12's say home field advantage throughout playoffs "tiebreaker" rematch?
Mark my words...That is when we will shine, and they will go home cryin'...

to Santa Clara...

Now that's lost...
:49ersmall:

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Hairball probably knocks old ladies over walking across the street. World class p.o.s., nothing more, nothing less.