Jeff Fisher has now guaranteed his 12th season..

[Seahawk Sailor]

Sorry but if it was ever proven that a coach was hired to win enough but not enough to get anywhere I'd hope there'd be a way for players to sue ownership.

That's just flat out wrong. The guys on the field have a very short window and have committed their entire lives to this. Taking away even one year is taking away 20% of a career in most cases from someone that's worked 20 years to get to the NFL field. The mental and physical challenges along the way could never be understood by us.

If all of that was disregarded and sabotaged I'd hope the players would have some kind of recourse.

Fans would definitely have a reason for recourse here, but harder to argue players do. They are hired for an agreed-upon wage to do a job. If management brings in players to tank the team instead of to win, how is this reason for recourse for the players? Their recourse is to play better. Fans have little-to-no ability to affect game play; players directly impact the game by how they play.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Sorry but if it was ever proven that a coach was hired to win enough but not enough to get anywhere I'd hope there'd be a way for players to sue ownership.

That's just flat out wrong. The guys on the field have a very short window and have committed their entire lives to this. Taking away even one year is taking away 20% of a career in most cases from someone that's worked 20 years to get to the NFL field. The mental and physical challenges along the way could never be understood by us.

If all of that was disregarded and sabotaged I'd hope the players would have some kind of recourse.

I know this is in response to Rex's ridiculously dumb or tongue in cheek post, not sure which. Considering he didn't get the whole .500 record/Fisher thing on the weekly NFC West picks it seriously makes me wonder. Hoping he's smart enough that it was tongue in cheek. Of course maybe he was just trying to deflect for his team and his team's coach and their endless mediocrity.

 

[Rex]

Sorry but if it was ever proven that a coach was hired to win enough but not enough to get anywhere I'd hope there'd be a way for players to sue ownership.

That's just flat out wrong. The guys on the field have a very short window and have committed their entire lives to this. Taking away even one year is taking away 20% of a career in most cases from someone that's worked 20 years to get to the NFL field. The mental and physical challenges along the way could never be understood by us.

If all of that was disregarded and sabotaged I'd hope the players would have some kind of recourse.

I know this is in response to Rex's ridiculously dumb or tongue in cheek post, not sure which. Considering he didn't get the whole .500 record/Fisher thing on the weekly NFC West picks it seriously makes me wonder. Hoping he's smart enough that it was tongue in cheek. Of course maybe he was just trying to deflect for his team and his team's coach and their endless mediocrity.

My post gave the two most common scenarios attributed to the hiring of Fisher (amongst Rams fans) once StanK declared his intent to move the team to LA. I understood my contest .500 record but not the speil that made no sense given Fisher's record with the Rams or the Titans. Some dope said .500 = Fisher and the rest of the easily led including yourself ran with it. Too easy.

 

[Rex]

Fisher is not hired to make the Rams win.

Expand?

My guess is either Fisher was hired to smooth the teams move to LA......or........lose enough in St. Louis to dwindle fan support to allow StanK to cry to the NFL about lack of fan support.......or........BOTH.

Oh, kept on for one more year. Guess I should have known what she meant. I get this from girlfriend.

The year by year lease is a valid option too. One scenario is StanK moves the team to London, UK.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Sorry but if it was ever proven that a coach was hired to win enough but not enough to get anywhere I'd hope there'd be a way for players to sue ownership.

That's just flat out wrong. The guys on the field have a very short window and have committed their entire lives to this. Taking away even one year is taking away 20% of a career in most cases from someone that's worked 20 years to get to the NFL field. The mental and physical challenges along the way could never be understood by us.

If all of that was disregarded and sabotaged I'd hope the players would have some kind of recourse.

I know this is in response to Rex's ridiculously dumb or tongue in cheek post, not sure which. Considering he didn't get the whole .500 record/Fisher thing on the weekly NFC West picks it seriously makes me wonder. Hoping he's smart enough that it was tongue in cheek. Of course maybe he was just trying to deflect for his team and his team's coach and their endless mediocrity.

My post gave the two most common scenarios attributed to the hiring of Fisher (amongst Rams fans) once StanK declared his intent to move the team to LA. I understood my contest .500 record but not the speil that made no sense given Fisher's record with the Rams or the Titans. Some dope said .500 = Fisher and the rest of the easily led including yourself ran with it. Too easy.

Oh yeah, you're right. Fisher's career coaching record is: 168 wins, 155 losses and 1 tie for a "winning" pct of .520 in 21 seasons. That means in 14 of his 21 seasons he's averaged 8-8 and in the other 7 years he's averaged a record of 9-7. Yeah, easily led. LMFAO.

Rams fan seriously think Kroenke is that devious and that smart. That's called denial of Fisher's and Kroenke's suckitude.

 

[Rex]

Sorry but if it was ever proven that a coach was hired to win enough but not enough to get anywhere I'd hope there'd be a way for players to sue ownership.

That's just flat out wrong. The guys on the field have a very short window and have committed their entire lives to this. Taking away even one year is taking away 20% of a career in most cases from someone that's worked 20 years to get to the NFL field. The mental and physical challenges along the way could never be understood by us.

If all of that was disregarded and sabotaged I'd hope the players would have some kind of recourse.

I know this is in response to Rex's ridiculously dumb or tongue in cheek post, not sure which. Considering he didn't get the whole .500 record/Fisher thing on the weekly NFC West picks it seriously makes me wonder. Hoping he's smart enough that it was tongue in cheek. Of course maybe he was just trying to deflect for his team and his team's coach and their endless mediocrity.

My post gave the two most common scenarios attributed to the hiring of Fisher (amongst Rams fans) once StanK declared his intent to move the team to LA. I understood my contest .500 record but not the speil that made no sense given Fisher's record with the Rams or the Titans. Some dope said .500 = Fisher and the rest of the easily led including yourself ran with it. Too easy.

Oh yeah, you're right. Fisher's career coaching record is: 168 wins, 155 losses and 1 tie for a "winning" pct of .520 in 21 seasons. That means in 14 of his 21 seasons he's averaged 8-8 and in the other 7 years he's averaged a record of 9-7. Yeah, easily led. LMFAO.

Rams fan seriously think Kroenke is that devious and that smart. That's called denial of Fisher's and Kroenke's suckitude.

Still not .500. Now about StanK.......I remember back in '95 when he bought a minority share of the team to solidify their presence in St. Louis. A real weasel that guy.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

.............Now about StanK.......I remember back in '95 when he bought a minority share of the team to solidify their presence in St. Louis. A real weasel that guy.

Will not argue that with you. As Seahawks fans, we know all about weasel owners. Wer can see and smell them a mile away and Kroenke is.

 

[RedAlice]

.............Now about StanK.......I remember back in '95 when he bought a minority share of the team to solidify their presence in St. Louis. A real weasel that guy.

Will not argue that with you. As Seahawks fans, we know all about weasel owners. Wer can see and smell them a mile away and Kroenke is.

Stan K is not even close to as bad or as much of a weasel owner as Georgia F was.

It's all your own personal perspective.

 

[RedAlice]

Sorry but if it was ever proven that a coach was hired to win enough but not enough to get anywhere I'd hope there'd be a way for players to sue ownership.

That's just flat out wrong. The guys on the field have a very short window and have committed their entire lives to this. Taking away even one year is taking away 20% of a career in most cases from someone that's worked 20 years to get to the NFL field. The mental and physical challenges along the way could never be understood by us.

If all of that was disregarded and sabotaged I'd hope the players would have some kind of recourse.

Fans would definitely have a reason for recourse here, but harder to argue players do. They are hired for an agreed-upon wage to do a job. If management brings in players to tank the team instead of to win, how is this reason for recourse for the players? Their recourse is to play better. Fans have little-to-no ability to affect game play; players directly impact the game by how they play.

I do not believe that either Fisher or Snead have brought in or released any players to tank the team, and neither has Kroenke.

The only Rams' owner who did that was Georgia Frontier.

 

[RedAlice]

Fisher is not hired to make the Rams win.

Expand?

My guess is either Fisher was hired to smooth the teams move to LA......or........lose enough in St. Louis to dwindle fan support to allow StanK to cry to the NFL about lack of fan support.......or........BOTH.

Oh, kept on for one more year. Guess I should have known what she meant. I get this from my girlfriend.

My point was that when Fisher was hired, Kroenke (by all indications) was intent on moving to LA and Fisher has experience with moving a team, and also was one of the most highly regarded coaches at that time (there was a bidding battle with Miami). It's not like he passed over a better candidate.

Fisher and Kroenke seem to be close, and it also appears that relocation is one of the reasons.

I also personally believe that Kroenke expected Fisher to bring a winning record back to the team, and that has not happened. I also believe Fisher has tried and given it his best. But, winning is not the only priority Kroenke has, so the fact that Fisher has failed on that part won't get him fired.

Now, everything can change in a splt second here coming up. I think if K decides to play w StL and keep the team there, he will fire Fisher pretty quick.

 

[Rex]

.............Now about StanK.......I remember back in '95 when he bought a minority share of the team to solidify their presence in St. Louis. A real weasel that guy.

Will not argue that with you. As Seahawks fans, we know all about weasel owners. Wer can see and smell them a mile away and Kroenke is.

Stan K is not even close to as bad or as much of a weasel owner as Georgia F was.

It's all your own personal perspective.

Except I'm right. StanK was indeed brought on board in St. Louis to keep the team there. And he is a weasel.

 

[ivotuk]

What baffles me is how this guy can take all of this talent, 1st round after 1st round after 1st round pick, and turn it in to an average team!

The number of high round picks and talent that the Rams have accrued since he's been there have been nothing short of phenomenal, yet they go nowhere!

Personally, I think it's his coaching style. He uses players up, and isn't afraid to have his players go after opposing players all the while stating "We need to clean this game up."

How is he on the Competition Committee? Let alone in the NFL?


"Lamarcus Joyner's illegal hit that knocked Teddy Bridgewater from Sunday's game -- a 21-18 win for the Minnesota Vikings over the St. Louis Rams -- brought many guttural reactions.

The most notable came from NBC studio analyst Rodney Harrison during Sunday Night Football's telecast.

"That's a dirty hit," Harrison said, per the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "That's a dirty hit. It's a cheap shot right to the helmet...I wasn't surprised because it happened to me in 2006. Bobby Wade came and chopped my knees and tore my knee up. I'm lying on the ground, and I look at Jeff Fisher and he's smiling and laughing. So this is typical of Jeff Fisher-type teams."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... y-harrison

 

[Ramfan128]

What baffles me is how this guy can take all of this talent, 1st round after 1st round after 1st round pick, and turn it in to an average team!

The number of high round picks and talent that the Rams have accrued since he's been there have been nothing short of phenomenal, yet they go nowhere!

Personally, I think it's his coaching style. He uses players up, and isn't afraid to have his players go after opposing players all the while stating "We need to clean this game up."

How is he on the Competition Committee? Let alone in the NFL?


"Lamarcus Joyner's illegal hit that knocked Teddy Bridgewater from Sunday's game -- a 21-18 win for the Minnesota Vikings over the St. Louis Rams -- brought many guttural reactions.

The most notable came from NBC studio analyst Rodney Harrison during Sunday Night Football's telecast.

"That's a dirty hit," Harrison said, per the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "That's a dirty hit. It's a cheap shot right to the helmet...I wasn't surprised because it happened to me in 2006. Bobby Wade came and chopped my knees and tore my knee up. I'm lying on the ground, and I look at Jeff Fisher and he's smiling and laughing. So this is typical of Jeff Fisher-type teams."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... y-harrison

Isolating that one hit - there's been hits just like those in the NFL. Rams get a bad rep because Fisher hired Gregg Williams, and it's something he will have to live with. His teams were also always chippy in Tennessee.

But Rodney Harrison of all people spouting that crap is just ridiculous.

 

[Ramfan128]

Fun fact: Fisher with the Rams is 4-4 versus the Seahawks with Pete Carroll.

In those 8 games, the Seahawks have had the same QB starting all 8, while the Rams have played 5 different QBs. All 4 of the Rams wins were notched by different starting QBs: Bradford, Davis, Foles, Keenum - a list of complete and utter garbage.

Which answers the question about the Rams talent and why we aren't better; the QB position. Give us Russell Wilson and I'd bet we would have a better record than Seattle right now.

But that's why Fisher should be replaced - 4 full seasons and no sign of a competent QB? Ridiculous. And the way he runs his teams, it's more likely that he tries to go with a veteran rather than spend a first round pick and roll with a rookie....which would infuriate the fanbase.

 

[JAGHAWK]

I'm not even sure why this guy still has a job.

 

[Scottemojo]

Fun fact: Fisher with the Rams is 4-4 versus the Seahawks with Pete Carroll.

In those 8 games, the Seahawks have had the same QB starting all 8, while the Rams have played 5 different QBs. All 4 of the Rams wins were notched by different starting QBs: Bradford, Davis, Foles, Keenum - a list of complete and utter garbage.

Which answers the question about the Rams talent and why we aren't better; the QB position. Give us Russell Wilson and I'd bet we would have a better record than Seattle right now.

But that's why Fisher should be replaced - 4 full seasons and no sign of a competent QB? Ridiculous. And the way he runs his teams, it's more likely that he tries to go with a veteran rather than spend a first round pick and roll with a rookie....which would infuriate the fanbase.

This post is 100 percent accurate.
I would add that in addition to bad QBs, the Rams have been suffering through a bad string of OCs.

 

[Subzero717]

Their defense is semi legit but that amount of first round picks, Chip Kelly could be the DC and have success.

 

[Ramfan128]

Their defense is semi legit but that amount of first round picks, Chip Kelly could be the DC and have success.

I don't see Chris Long returning, and Fairley is just a rotational player who also probably won't be returning.

The only 1st round picks that started on D against you guys last week were Aaron Donald and Brockers. Fairley got knocked out (and doesn't start), Quinn and Ogletree are out. Mark Barron was out. Chris Long isn't even starting, but he did play.

The first round pick thing is a little overblown....when fully healthy, it was 5 DL, Ogletree and Barron.

But the only ones we drafted were Brockers, Quinn, Long, Donald, and Ogletree. Only Long was a top 10 pick from that group. So it's not like we accrued all this talent on defense by being bad - Brockers and Quinn were selected 14th overall, Donald 13th, and Ogletree 30th. If a team spends 5 first round picks on defense in the course of 7 or 8 years or so, hopefully those players are all still on the team.

 

[Scottemojo]

Their defense is semi legit but that amount of first round picks, Chip Kelly could be the DC and have success.

I don't see Chris Long returning, and Fairley is just a rotational player who also probably won't be returning.

The only 1st round picks that started on D against you guys last week were Aaron Donald and Brockers. Fairley got knocked out (and doesn't start), Quinn and Ogletree are out. Mark Barron was out. Chris Long isn't even starting, but he did play.

The first round pick thing is a little overblown....when fully healthy, it was 5 DL, Ogletree and Barron.

But the only ones we drafted were Brockers, Quinn, Long, Donald, and Ogletree. Only Long was a top 10 pick from that group. So it's not like we accrued all this talent on defense by being bad - Brockers and Quinn were selected 14th overall, Donald 13th, and Ogletree 30th. If a team spends 5 first round picks on defense in the course of 7 or 8 years or so, hopefully those players are all still on the team.

I will counter that with this:
The capital your GM created with high picks via the trade to Washington created a lot of extra early round talent. It is hard to find as many first rounders and second rounders on a roster as the Rams have. Without picking early and often, the Rams simply don't have the speed and size on the field that we see.

Sucking really did pay off for the Rams in the case of that pick Washington wanted so badly.

Of course, the real lesson the Rams teach is that it doesn't matter how much speed and athleticism and early picks a team has, if they can't draft or develop QBs, they are sunk.

 

[SuperMan28]

He can stay forever as long as he beats SEA.