its no longer debatable whether this defense might be...

[hox]

Per PFF, top five defenses in getting the most pressure on opposing QBs. Falcons have to be feeling rather sacrificial this weekend.

I love this D-Line. And Jarran Reed will be back soon too.

Also can you imagine if that trade attempt went through and we had Crosby on this line?

 

[CouchLogic]

Comparing the LOB that played together for a few years by the time they went to the SB, to a year two team that is still adding pieces...hmm. To even be considering this convo is a testement to MM and JS right now. They are on the way without a doubt.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

With a lot of backups too.

 

[Ramfan128]

To your point, we do have Bijan, Taylor and CMC upcoming but I'm not really worried with the way our front has been dominating.

Looking at overall rush yards given up per game including all rushers:

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I outlined that in the post you quoted - our run defenses are very similar in YPC with the Hawks .1 better which tells that story better than yards allowed per game. Like I would take Seattle's run defense over Jacksonvilles despite the above too.

 

[evergreen]

One thing to consider when evaluating this D is how much garbage time they've faced. We've had three games that were over before half time. Lots of points made when the game was over.

 

[BigMeach]

I can guarantee I watch more of the Seahawks than you watch of the 49ers. I live in Seahawk country , they are on tv every week

It's 2025 man. It don't matter where you live anymore...

 

[Sperrydogg]

One thing about the LOB is that I think we were relatively lucky to have few injuries and no major injuries throughout 2012-2014 really.

This year it feels like nearly every player has missed some amount of time - I think maybe B.Murph, Big Cat and Bryant are the only 3 starters to have played all 12 games. Love and Emmanwori have only been on field together for 4 snaps in the first game of the season!

Yep and this secondary is being reinvented on the fly as we keep going through safeties and cb. And they are still great next man up

 

[Sperrydogg]

Through 12 games, the Rams have allowed less points than Seattle - we've already played the Colts, Niners twice, and we had to play the Eagles while the Seahawks got the Commanders, Seattle has played Arizona twice and we have yet to play them once. The Rams have played 8 games against teams that would currently be in the playoffs (and are 6-2), Seattle has played 4 (and are 1-3)

I don't think its a slam dunk that Seattle has the best defense in the NFC West.

So what. We will beat you and win the division and have a bigger I mean better D than you

 

[Sperrydogg]

Through 12 games, the Rams have allowed less points than Seattle - we've already played the Colts, Niners twice, and we had to play the Eagles while the Seahawks got the Commanders, Seattle has played Arizona twice and we have yet to play them once. The Rams have played 8 games against teams that would currently be in the playoffs (and are 6-2), Seattle has played 4 (and are 1-3)

I don't think it’s a slam dunk that Seattle has the best defense in the NFC West.

The good teams you named are low scoring

 

[Sperrydogg]

Through 12 games, the Rams have allowed less points than Seattle - we've already played the Colts, Niners twice, and we had to play the Eagles while the Seahawks got the Commanders, Seattle has played Arizona twice and we have yet to play them once. The Rams have played 8 games against teams that would currently be in the playoffs (and are 6-2), Seattle has played 4 (and are 1-3)

I don't think its a slam dunk that Seattle has the best defense in the NFC West.

And if Sam didn’t have a total panic attack the whole day we woulda beat you. Ten yards…

 

[Sperrydogg]

This Seahawks defense is nowhere near the LOB and that's not even a reasonable comparison. Given the rule changes between the 80s/90s and 2010s, the LOB is probably the best defense in NFL history

That’s just like your opinion maaaan

 

[Sperrydogg]

Per PFF, top five defenses in getting the most pressure on opposing QBs. Falcons have to be feeling rather sacrificial this weekend.

We are just getting warmed up

 

[Sperrydogg]

They do have a solid run game, as does Indy. Two teams the Rams have played that Seattle hasn't. For the season:

Seattle - 23.3 carries for 88.8 YPG, 3.8 YPC
LA - 27.4 carries for 107.8 YPG, 3.9 YPC

For YPC, Seattle is 4th, LA is 9th.

And Seattle has allowed more rushing TDs on the season. Factor in that the Rams have played against Johnathan Taylor who has been an OPOY candidate, Derek Henry and Rico Dowdle - all of whom are in the top ten in rushing yards, while Seattle hasn't played anyone in the top 10 except CMC - who Seattle played once, the Rams have played twice.

Those are good stats… fine bring up facts and shyt

 

[Sperrydogg]

With a lot of backups too.

Damn straight… every time someone goes down I’m like nooo…oh..ok…

Except Gray Zabel

 

[Sperrydogg]

One thing to consider when evaluating this D is how much garbage time they've faced. We've had three games that were over before half time. Lots of points made when the game was over.

True. Like the cardinals was over after the first quarter. We should get another shut out or two, that would bring these stats closer to the truth of what this D really is

 

[Lagartixa]

Yup. That's why I said 'on par'. It's not possible to compare units from different eras

Exactly, which is why doing a 1:1 stat comparison isnt accurate. The LOB rarely had to contend with prevent D calls because more often than not, our offense didn't even get rolling until the 3rd or 4th qtrs and we often won games by a TD or less.

Tough to handcuff our D by making them swallow garbage time leads where in some cases, the strategy is to take less risk when you are up big and force the opposing team to HAVE to go on a long, time consuming drive to get points.

It also isn't fair that our D has been handcuffed by several short field situations where our offense have given away the ball in our own end and forced them into tough situations. That wasn't the kind of thing Pete's teams did often (TOs ).I can think of 31 points off the top of my head that the D swallows because we gave the ball away.

The defense is at full strength for the Falcons game, but the defense, even with important players out, was never a problem. It's the offense that has been "JSN and some guys." The Vikings shut down JSN, which is why the offense didn't score a TD until garbage time in the fourth quarter, with the Seahawks already up 19-0 against a then-4-7 team with a terrible offense. Earlier in the season, when a bunch of people were trash talking at 49ers fans about how everything the 49ers did depended on McCaffrey, I was thinking that the Seahawks' dependence on JSN was much bigger, but I kept quiet so nobody would accuse me of jinxing things, but the Vikings game seems to have supported that position strongly. Until proven otherwise, the Seahawks offense is JSN and some guys.

As you point out, the Darnovers make the Seahawks defense look less excellent than it has been.

As I've said elsewhere, I'm perfectly fine with the Seahawks keeping Darnold for 2026 on his current contract, because it's at a relatively reasonable price for what he can do. And really, I don't see how the Seahawks could realistically have a better option for 2026 than Darnold on his current contract. Not 2027, because even though his 2027 cap hit would be less than those of top QBs, the difference between Darnold's expected performance and that of a top QB is a lot bigger than the difference between his 2027 cap hit and that of a top QB. 2027 looks more expensive than I think Darnold will be worth, but the contract doesn't guarantee the 2027 compensation, so I'm not worried about it. I see that as a padding year so Darnold's agent could say it was a $100M contract. And by 2027, the market could possibly have changed enough that Darnold on the last year of that contract looks like a good deal, but I currently consider that unlikely. On the other hand, as soon as I saw numbers for Darnold's contract, I considered it extremely unlikely he'd be worth keeping even for 2026, but I should mention that my current view takes that into account and he still doesn't look likely to be worth what his current contract would pay him in 2027.

I think there is a path to a title with a limited QB like Darnold whose cap hit is what Darnold's is for 2025-26 (that part is important!), and I think the Seahawk front office and coaching staff can find it, but the trick is that the window is very short. I just really, really, really hope the Seahawks don't get excited about the team's W-L record this year and give Darnold an extension that gives him cap hits like a top QB.

 

[pmedic920]

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Poll?


Should we ban this guy?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Wouldn't be opposed to it.

 

[Palmegranite]

Weak.

 

[HawkinNY]

DLaw is quickly becoming one of my favorite players. He just makes big plays every game and is funny too.

As for the LOB comp, this D-Line is arguably better. The LBers, still have to give the edge to the Bobby and KJ in their primes. And LOB secondary is still way better.

Culture / team chemistry is on par or getting there.

Add in MM's scheme though... that could be the equalizer.

If they can find a replacement for woolen the secondary will be close. Not saying woolen is bad. He just seems to take to many plays off and doesn’t tackle.