It's either the o or the d that wins never both

[UK_Seahawk]

What gives? Is it a mental or scheme thing?

I'm delighted our d has stepped up in the last couple of weeks but this seems to have come at the cost of the offense that was firing so well. I'm bemused as to why it seems only one half of our team can play well.

If we can get both sides playing well then we have a real chance but I feel that we will get found out if only one aspect of our play dominates.

What do the seahawks need to do to become a more complete package?

 

[Aussie Seahawk]

What do the seahawks need to do to become a more complete package?

Sigh... less penalties would be nice. I mostly cringe, squinting into the lower right of the TV screen, waiting for FLAG, and unless obvious, just about dread every one will be against us.

BUT... we are doing GOOD!

Let's just enjoy... and then get ready for next Monday night... which is Tuesday arvo here.

 

[xray]

I would rather have the D peaking this time of year ; but the O playing sloppy lately is worrisome . IMO

 

[Blitzhawk]

I think the wind had much to do with the struggles of both offenses. Wind, especially gusty and changing at different altitudes/spots in stadium, can be worse than anything other weather because it is unpredictable. Russ's throws were off and the seemingly catchable balls that DK dropped are much harder than we think to come down with if they change direction at last minute or loose velocity and fall out of sky. The punting and kicking were affected by this as well. Not making excuses but it is what it is and both sides struggled.

Also, Lockett was clearly playing with injury and did not have his normal speed and quickness. I believe his lack of targets was a result of him having trouble getting seperation and open.

The fumbles though.....need to get cleaned up (looking at you Carson, you da man but clean it up).

In the end, I take the win and move on hoping for better next week/rest of season.

Go Hawks!!! :irishdrinkers:

 

[sutz]

The team wins or the team loses.

 

[Mad Dog]

What gives? Is it a mental or scheme thing?

I'm delighted our d has stepped up in the last couple of weeks but this seems to have come at the cost of the offense that was firing so well. I'm bemused as to why it seems only one half of our team can play well.

If we can get both sides playing well then we have a real chance but I feel that we will get found out if only one aspect of our play dominates.

What do the seahawks need to do to become a more complete package?

Hawks are a complete package but games aren't played against air.

Sunday we played a good defense and a poor offence (in bad conditions) so clearly the defense had a chance to carry the load.

I imagine the next game we play against a bad offense AND defense, both sides of the ball will play well. Unfortunately we don't get to play the Bengals again.

 

[UK_Seahawk]

I thought our defense against the Bengals was awful in all honesty.

I understand your point but I'm not convinced that's been the case. I think it's more likely that the defense doing well has taken the pressure of the offense to produce the Harry Houdini act.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I understand your point but I'm not convinced that's been the case. I think it's more likely that the defense doing well has taken the pressure of the offense to produce the Harry Houdini act.

Maybe the playcalling gets a little more conservative if Pete and Schotty think the D is holding the other team in check..........that's certainly how Pete called games when our defense was good.

But no, this doesn't explain away the fumbles, drops and missed opportunities to put teams away. Look no further than the last two games when we were up 21-10 on the Niners and in complete control, and SHOULD have won that game going away. But the Russell/Ifedi fumble gave the Niners momentum and life.

Same with yesterday, should have won the game 24-3, or worse. But Russell's overthrow to Hollister, 2-3 times in Eagle territory with no score due to dumb penalties and sacks, and Carson's fumble yet again allowed a team to hang around until the end.

So yes, it's high time now that the D is playing much better that if this teams considers itself a serious SB contender that they put a complete game together, on both sides of the ball.

 

[StoneCold]

The team wins or the team loses.

While true it's also true that we haven't really seen them both click. This should scare the hell out of the rest of the league. It's going to happen.

 

[Mad Dog]

I thought our defense against the Bengals was awful in all honesty.

I understand your point but I'm not convinced that's been the case. I think it's more likely that the defense doing well has taken the pressure of the offense to produce the Harry Houdini act.

Game 1 of the NFL season is always a crap shoot. Coaches are still trying to figure out their guys let alone figuring out another team. I suspect if we played the Bengals now with some legitimate tape on them, we'd destroy them.

I think we play as the game dictates. If its tight we play conservatively because "its all about the ball". If we are behind we open it up a bit. You can consider it "one side of the ball" playing better. I consider it the ebbs and flows of football and the vagaries of matchups.

 

[chris98251]

Seems like Pete assess a team and unleashes a package just enough to beat a average team making games look closer then they should be as well as it seems like the mental aspect is lacking in these games with more mistake.

Throw a high ranked team on the play list and we look much more focused and our offense and defense depending on match ups dials it is. Pete also tends to hold his dinged players out against average competition. Unless your name is Wilson and I just think he refuses to be benched for rest or for caution.

 

[Sports Hernia]

IMHO Seattle hasn’t played a complete game yet, though Arizona might be debatable.
Still 9-2 :2thumbs:

....but with much room to improve, and clean things up.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

That's a good point. Sitting at 9-2 and the Niner game was the closest thing to a 4 quarter game, and they made their share of mistakes in that one, along with every other win. It certainly will never look pretty, but it's also pretty scary that this team still hasn't played up to it's full 4 quarter game potential.

 

[Ozzy]

Eagles game felt like we were a couple of drops away from that being an absolute blowout. but the main point remains, we haven't really played a great game across the board. Anytime you bring up Pete both sides go nuts but some of this is on him. I think if the defense is playing great he throttles the offense a little bit which is his nature. It's a weakness though and we've been lucky that it hasn't cost us in multiple games. But on the other hand he has a team that may not be as talented as other top teams in the league at 9-2 with a realistic chance to win it all. Pete is a fantastic coach but I'm not sure I've ever seen any other coach that is so hard to figure out. I'll take 9-2 though.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Eagles game felt like we were a couple of drops away from that being an absolute blowout. but the main point remains, we haven't really played a great game across the board. Anytime you bring up Pete both sides go nuts but some of this is on him. I think if the defense is playing great he throttles the offense a little bit which is his nature. It's a weakness though and we've been lucky that it hasn't cost us in multiple games. But on the other hand he has a team that may not be as talented as other top teams in the league at 9-2 with a realistic chance to win it all. Pete is a fantastic coach but I'm not sure I've ever seen any other coach that is so hard to figure out. I'll take 9-2 though.

Pete's easy to figure out.

- tough physical athletic defense
- protect the ball
- physical run game with explosive play action
- ball.................ball.................ball...................ball

That's Pete.

 

[Attyla the Hawk]

I guess I'm in the minority. I think it's a huge benefit to be able to win in a variety of ways.

This game was a tough matchup at least with regards to Philly's defense. They have a lot of talent that finally started to perform as they got to full health. Seattle won comfortably, despite leaving a lot of points on the field.

I feel a lot better about this team today than I did in October watching us struggle against the Bucs. The defense has started to produce as we had hoped it might when the season began. Just in time too.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

To me, the game felt like a blowout. Meh

 

[sutz]

To me, the game felt like a blowout. Meh

I started a thread along those lines. Even though the score was close for most of the game, it never really felt like the final outcome was in doubt. :229031_shrug:

People get lost on scores and fantasy points, but looking at that game, it was classic Pete. For almost the whole game, our D was stifling the Philly offense pretty effectively. Sure, yards, but once down in the red zone it was FGs and TOs until the 4th quarter. When your D is playing that well, taking unnecessary chances in the passing game is just flat out silly. Conditions sucked, and a conservative gameplan was a way to ensure you don't give the opponent free momentum plays with turnovers. We got a couple of big "lucky" plays with the flea-flicker and the Penny 58yd TD. But that "luck" stems from the strategy of solid running and play action.

Hell, I'd flat out love to win a SB like that. :snack:

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Embrace the Ugly, every time.

Dropped TD by DK, bad throw to miss another TD. Plus a TD in flat out garbage time. This game wasn't close, regardless of the score.

 

[scutterhawk]

Never Both?, actually, I believe that it is indeed BOTH sides that gets us the win's.
The Defense might have struggled for awhile, but have come through with just enough to keep the games within reach for the Offense to pull out a win, and Russell Wilson has returned the favor.
I don't think people are taking the injuries of players like Lockett, & nearly the entire TE stable, the drops, the fumbles, & the miscues of the O-Line, and likewise, the injuries to some key Defenders like Ansah.
I don't believe that Pete, or Norton for that matter, gets near enough credit for Coaching the Defense through their struggles, and to be honest, I don't think they had all the right players on board until they went and got the missing player of the Secondary... Quandre Diggs, who as far as I'm concerned, has been playing to about 95% of ET.
On the surface, that acquisition might have seemed superficial, but it was an enormous get for our Defensive scheme.
:vodka: