Is Russell Wilson the most "talented" QB in the league?

[JimmyG]

Most athletic, quite possibly.

Most talented overall from the position of QB - no.

That said, his potential remains considerable but he needs a stronger supporting cast including different coaching scheme should he have a real chance to meet that potential.

Granted, he already has a SB ring but he was a part of that team, not the franchise guy. Now he's being paid a franchise salary but has not yet ascended to that kind of elite level - though this season despite a continued crap O-Line he has made strides to get there.

The next few seasons will likely determine how he's remembered longer term. Hope it moves him into the upper echelon of HoF QB's.

BS, Without Lynch, Without an even bottom tier Offensive Line, he is still lighting up the competition with RECORD SETTING STATS, not only for the Seahawks, but for the ENTIRE NFL in the Super Bowl Era.
MOST WINS for a QB in his first six Seasons PLUS, he still has FIVE more games that he can ADD to that record.
Fastest to accumulate in the Super Bowl era 150 THROWN Touchdowns, and RUSH for an ADDITIONAL 3000 Yards.
Without having a PREMIERE Running Back at his side, and with a DUMPSTER FIRE O-Line in front of him, and you are still DOWPLAYING his TALENTS ?????? Shame on you Semiahmoo ukeface:

You're kind of conflating two "eras" of Russell Wilson.

There is sort of the "game manager" Wilson era (more run-oriented offense, limited pass attempts, etc), when he was along for the ride for the Super Bowl alongisde Lynch/the defense, and now there's sort of the "this is his team" era, where he's more of the focal point of the team.

The "Game Manager" era was characterized by historic efficiency and an unbelievable win percentage.
From 2012 - 2016:
.718 win pct (2nd in NFL)
101.8 passer rating (4th)
8.1 Y/A (1st)
64.71 completion % (8th)
1.96 INT% (4th)
6.1 TD% (4th)
1735 pass attempts (18th)

With less of a supporting cast and a more prominent role (2016-2017), his ranks look like this:
.629 win pct (7th, might miss playoffs this year)
93.7 passer rating (10th)
7.57 Y/A (5th)
63.64 completion % (13th)
1.99 INT% (13th)
4.6 TD% (11th)
957 pass attempts (9th)

His supporting cast is not great anymore but let's not pretend like this isn't a talented team. The way some people exaggerate our supporting you'd think we were the Browns or the 49ers. The early teams Russell Wilson was were arguably the most talented ones in the league; talent-wise, the current team is if more of a fringe playoff team. Not great, but not terrible.

Okay, Anthony!, I'm ready for you to chime in with four run on sentences dismissing this.

 

[JimmyG]

As far as the original question, I would say Russell is probably the most talented. He has good arm strength, good touch, and is the most elusive QB in the league.

Cam Newton is probably a close second. Russell is more elusive, but Cam is am absoulte wrecking ball of a runner. His 2015 season where he out it all together was amazing. His throws looked effortless and he basically ran at will.

 

[Anajimmc]

In a pre-draft article Russell was called "The Asterisk" his numbers were off the chart, and the author thought he was an anomaly, couldn't live up to those numbers. Well he is living up to those numbers, and I think it's a combination of both his physical capabilities and his mental make up. His will to win, his competitiveness, on top of his special physical talents make Russell the "Most Talented QB in the League.

 

[Scorpion05]

Most athletic, quite possibly.

Most talented overall from the position of QB - no.

That said, his potential remains considerable but he needs a stronger supporting cast including different coaching scheme should he have a real chance to meet that potential.

Granted, he already has a SB ring but he was a part of that team, not the franchise guy. Now he's being paid a franchise salary but has not yet ascended to that kind of elite level - though this season despite a continued crap O-Line he has made strides to get there.

The next few seasons will likely determine how he's remembered longer term. Hope it moves him into the upper echelon of HoF QB's.

BS, Without Lynch, Without an even bottom tier Offensive Line, he is still lighting up the competition with RECORD SETTING STATS, not only for the Seahawks, but for the ENTIRE NFL in the Super Bowl Era.
MOST WINS for a QB in his first six Seasons PLUS, he still has FIVE more games that he can ADD to that record.
Fastest to accumulate in the Super Bowl era 150 THROWN Touchdowns, and RUSH for an ADDITIONAL 3000 Yards.
Without having a PREMIERE Running Back at his side, and with a DUMPSTER FIRE O-Line in front of him, and you are still DOWPLAYING his TALENTS ?????? Shame on you Semiahmoo ukeface:

You're kind of conflating two "eras" of Russell Wilson.

There is sort of the "game manager" Wilson era (more run-oriented offense, limited pass attempts, etc), when he was along for the ride for the Super Bowl alongisde Lynch/the defense, and now there's sort of the "this is his team" era, where he's more of the focal point of the team.

The "Game Manager" era was characterized by historic efficiency and an unbelievable win percentage.
From 2012 - 2016:
.718 win pct (2nd in NFL)
101.8 passer rating (4th)
8.1 Y/A (1st)
64.71 completion % (8th)
1.96 INT% (4th)
6.1 TD% (4th)
1735 pass attempts (18th)

With less of a supporting cast and a more prominent role (2016-2017), his ranks look like this:
.629 win pct (7th, might miss playoffs this year)
93.7 passer rating (10th)
7.57 Y/A (5th)
63.64 completion % (13th)
1.99 INT% (13th)
4.6 TD% (11th)
957 pass attempts (9th)

His supporting cast is not great anymore but let's not pretend like this isn't a talented team. The way some people exaggerate our supporting you'd think we were the Browns or the 49ers. The early teams Russell Wilson was were arguably the most talented ones in the league; talent-wise, the current team is if more of a fringe playoff team. Not great, but not terrible.

Okay, Anthony!, I'm ready for you to chime in with four run on sentences dismissing this.

The Game Manager label isn't even logical. Russell has accounted for over 4000 yards of offense, and at least 25 TDs every year since his rookie season. Calling that Game management is rubbish

Counting 2016 against him when he played throughout the year injured, in a year he shouldn't have been playing is garbage.

Not highlighting that this year he's leading the league in overall Tds, yards, and doing what no other QB has done in the Super Bowl era is garbage. This analysis is the very definition of not telling the full story

 

[JimmyG]

Not highlighting that this year he's leading the league in overall Tds, yards, and doing what no other QB has done in the Super Bowl era is garbage. This analysis is the very definition of not telling the full story

I'm not ignoring that stuff, I just think that efficiency is more important than counting stats. Remember Blake Bortles' 4,500 yard, 37 TD season?

To your latter point, presumably you're referring to the "no QB has accounted for more than 80% of his teams yardage in a season in the Super Bowl era". Matt Stafford accounts for 84% of his team's offense this year too. How many times have you heard Matt Stafford mentioned as an MVP candidate this year?

 

[NINEster]

The net potential of Wilson is higher than any QB ever to play the game. I firmly believe that.

Kearly felt that Kap was the most talented system QB to play this game, just couldn't put the mental part in there. For a prominent .NETter to say that about the hated should put some perspective on what that word means.

Wilson's skillset is pretty high in some parts and not so great in others.

Throws a great deep ball, great intangibles, can move the ball very well in hurry up, clutch. The ability to avoid sacks and make back breaking plays outside of the pocket is top notch. Can provide the ground game like only a handful of QBs can.

Also has a way of creating his own luck.

But methodical chain moving, Wilson has a ways to go. Whether it's his height or the way he processes reads, or his abandoning pockets too quickly.....

It's keeping him from being a really good to great QB.

If Wilson had those things, he'd be an unstoppable force and the Seahawks would be the NFC dynasty they looked to be, even if the defense and running game aren't quite what they once were.

But I'll admit he's getting better each year. Wilson from 2013-2014 playing now would be struggling big time.

He's even better than his little stretch in 2015.

 

[Lords of Scythia]

Most athletic, quite possibly.

Most talented overall from the position of QB - no.

That said, his potential remains considerable but he needs a stronger supporting cast including different coaching scheme should he have a real chance to meet that potential.

Granted, he already has a SB ring but he was a part of that team, not the franchise guy. Now he's being paid a franchise salary but has not yet ascended to that kind of elite level - though this season despite a continued crap O-Line he has made strides to get there.

The next few seasons will likely determine how he's remembered longer term. Hope it moves him into the upper echelon of HoF QB's.

BS, Without Lynch, Without an even bottom tier Offensive Line, he is still lighting up the competition with RECORD SETTING STATS, not only for the Seahawks, but for the ENTIRE NFL in the Super Bowl Era.
MOST WINS for a QB in his first six Seasons PLUS, he still has FIVE more games that he can ADD to that record.
Fastest to accumulate in the Super Bowl era 150 THROWN Touchdowns, and RUSH for an ADDITIONAL 3000 Yards.
Without having a PREMIERE Running Back at his side, and with a DUMPSTER FIRE O-Line in front of him, and you are still DOWPLAYING his TALENTS ?????? Shame on you Semiahmoo ukeface:

Agree. Good call.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Lords of Scythia]

Most athletic, quite possibly.

Most talented overall from the position of QB - no.

That said, his potential remains considerable but he needs a stronger supporting cast including different coaching scheme should he have a real chance to meet that potential.

Granted, he already has a SB ring but he was a part of that team, not the franchise guy. Now he's being paid a franchise salary but has not yet ascended to that kind of elite level - though this season despite a continued crap O-Line he has made strides to get there.

The next few seasons will likely determine how he's remembered longer term. Hope it moves him into the upper echelon of HoF QB's.

BS, Without Lynch, Without an even bottom tier Offensive Line, he is still lighting up the competition with RECORD SETTING STATS, not only for the Seahawks, but for the ENTIRE NFL in the Super Bowl Era.
MOST WINS for a QB in his first six Seasons PLUS, he still has FIVE more games that he can ADD to that record.
Fastest to accumulate in the Super Bowl era 150 THROWN Touchdowns, and RUSH for an ADDITIONAL 3000 Yards.
Without having a PREMIERE Running Back at his side, and with a DUMPSTER FIRE O-Line in front of him, and you are still DOWPLAYING his TALENTS ?????? Shame on you Semiahmoo ukeface:

You're kind of conflating two "eras" of Russell Wilson.

There is sort of the "game manager" Wilson era (more run-oriented offense, limited pass attempts, etc), when he was along for the ride for the Super Bowl alongisde Lynch/the defense, and now there's sort of the "this is his team" era, where he's more of the focal point of the team.

The "Game Manager" era was characterized by historic efficiency and an unbelievable win percentage.
From 2012 - 2016:
.718 win pct (2nd in NFL)
101.8 passer rating (4th)
8.1 Y/A (1st)
64.71 completion % (8th)
1.96 INT% (4th)
6.1 TD% (4th)
1735 pass attempts (18th)

With less of a supporting cast and a more prominent role (2016-2017), his ranks look like this:
.629 win pct (7th, might miss playoffs this year)
93.7 passer rating (10th)
7.57 Y/A (5th)
63.64 completion % (13th)
1.99 INT% (13th)
4.6 TD% (11th)
957 pass attempts (9th)

His supporting cast is not great anymore but let's not pretend like this isn't a talented team. The way some people exaggerate our supporting you'd think we were the Browns or the 49ers. The early teams Russell Wilson was were arguably the most talented ones in the league; talent-wise, the current team is if more of a fringe playoff team. Not great, but not terrible.

Okay, Anthony!, I'm ready for you to chime in with four run on sentences dismissing this.

The Game Manager label isn't even logical. Russell has accounted for over 4000 yards of offense, and at least 25 TDs every year since his rookie season. Calling that Game management is rubbish

Counting 2016 against him when he played throughout the year injured, in a year he shouldn't have been playing is garbage.

Not highlighting that this year he's leading the league in overall Tds, yards, and doing what no other QB has done in the Super Bowl era is garbage. This analysis is the very definition of not telling the full story

"Game manager" also discounts what a one-two punch Lynch/Wilson was Wilson's first few seasons with the Read Option -- mofos just didn't know how to deal with our offense out there. The RO opened up defenses for Lynch and the pass game -- Wilson was running it even in his rookie year.

 

[scutterhawk]

The net potential of Wilson is higher than any QB ever to play the game. I firmly believe that.

Kearly felt that Kap was the most talented system QB to play this game, just couldn't put the mental part in there. For a prominent .NETter to say that about the hated should put some perspective on what that word means.

Wilson's skillset is pretty high in some parts and not so great in others.

Throws a great deep ball, great intangibles, can move the ball very well in hurry up, clutch. The ability to avoid sacks and make back breaking plays outside of the pocket is top notch. Can provide the ground game like only a handful of QBs can.

Also has a way of creating his own luck.

But methodical chain moving, Wilson has a ways to go. Whether it's his height or the way he processes reads, or his abandoning pockets too quickly.....

It's keeping him from being a really good to great QB.

If Wilson had those things, he'd be an unstoppable force and the Seahawks would be the NFC dynasty they looked to be, even if the defense and running game aren't quite what they once were.

But I'll admit he's getting better each year. Wilson from 2013-2014 playing now would be struggling big time.

He's even better than his little stretch in 2015.

Wilson plays with a Ball Control tether, he's OFTEN been held back by questionable Offensive Coaching play-calls.
When the Seahawks Offense over the last two & a half Years (No Lynch) has frequently stalled for three Quarters of games and look to be out of reach for comebacks to win, this is where Wilson has taken over, and willed his anemic Offense to pull out a victory.
How often have we all heard from Defensive Coaches that have told their players that, "With Russell Wilson, The Play Is Never Over".
Some want to argue that his Stats can't really be used to prop up his strengths, but they turn right around and point out stats of his weaknesses......Like, Russell Wilson has benefitted from his all world Defense...Russell Wilson couldn't be as successful a QB without Marshawn Lynch leading the Charge, OR...."It's Doug Baldwin that is the true leader of the Seahawks Offense, not Russell Wilson....Just more BS. ukeface:
IF KAEPERNICK were all that, the 49rs would have been damned fools to cut him loose.

 

[chris98251]

He is following in the footsteps of the greatest QB ever. That person happened to play in the Seattle Area as well, won everywhere he played, has the most yards passing from scrimmage as a Pro, played for 5 Pro Teams and won in all the places he was at in different systems. Granted his 5th team he was a back up as a ageing Vet and not impressive stats.

Was told Black QB's are not smart enough to play in the NFL when he started his career and was not drafted. Was a QB for the Huskies when Black QB's were not the Norm and was always dealing with racism on a extreme level.

Warren Moon.

Combining his NFL and CFL stats, Moon's numbers are nearly unmatched in professional football annals: 5,357 completions in 9,205 attempts for 70,553 yards and 435 touchdowns. Even if his Canadian Football League statistics are discounted, Moon's NFL career numbers are still exceptional: 3,988 completions for 49,325 yards, 291 touchdown passes, 1,736 yards rushing, and 22 rushing touchdowns.[14] Warren Moon also held individual NFL lifetime records for most fumbles recovered (56) and most fumbles made (162), but this was surpassed by Brett Favre in 2010.[15] Moon was in the top five all-time when he retired for passing yards, passing touchdowns, pass attempts, and pass completions

Lets now look at Wilson, won every where he played NC, Wisconsin and Seattle, was told he was to short to play. Has just kept adding to his totals. If Wilson can stay healthy and continue his accumulations he may have a shot someday.

 

[Meeker]

I value pocket presence too highly, which is one of Russ' biggest weaknesses. So I'd say no.

 

[KitsapGuy]

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[Anthony!]

I value pocket presence too highly, which is one of Russ' biggest weaknesses. So I'd say no.

Hmm so a guy who has one of the best pocket passing numbers in the NFL does not have good pocket presence. Right lol

 

[scutterhawk]

I value pocket presence too highly, which is one of Russ' biggest weaknesses. So I'd say no.

Wow to your "Expertise" ........NOTTTTTTT!!!!!!
Pocket Presence LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Staying in the pocket my ass :roll: Your QB evaluations are highly suspect.

 

[SeahawksCanuck]

Rodgers is more talented over all, but I love Russ.

I tend to agree, but Wilson is reminding me more and more of Rodgers every game.

 

[hgwellz12]

I value pocket presence too highly, which is one of Russ' biggest weaknesses. So I'd say no.

Hmm so a guy who has one of the best pocket passing numbers in the NFL does not have good pocket presence. Right lol

:ditto: