Is Russell Wilson regressing?

[Lynch Mob]

they got three starting o-lineman out so no its just a banged up offense it will come around soon the O-line is getting better each week.

 

[MrCarey]

Yep, I wish we had Matt Flynn.

 

[Hawkpower]

Defenses have made adjustments to the way he plays. It is time for our offense to make adjustments as well to counter those. Knowing RW's high IQ, work ethic and will to succeed, I'm convinced he will process all the information and continue to make progress.
Playing in the NFL requires constant adjustment. RW is the right guy and there is NOTHING that makes us believe there is someone better.
Our receiver core is not bad either. I think they lost focus today and had uncharacteristic drops.
Sometimes, losses are good, because they make players focus.
If there is something called a "good loss", I think today's loss was a good one. I was seriously worried about us going undefeated ... Because players take things for granted and fans believe the team is "perfect".
We were sent back down to earth. Let's bounce back. The Titans are a very good team and we need to make sure we are focus and ready to play them. Pete will remind them that.
I still believe .. we will win the SB.

Please explain what adjustments defenses have made to the way Russell plays that is affecting his output.

I also am amused by people being critical of his choices to run....when he ran for over 100 yards and kept many drives alive with his feet (like last week).

If he doesnt run, our offense may have been even worse.

thanks

 

[truehawksfan]

It's been said, this board is filled with intelligent people, yet I see many fall into the most overused trap.

QB gets too much credit when the team wins, and way too much blame when the team loses.

Or, maybe....I hope....it's because many have high expectations of RW.

One last note:
RW 15-31, 210 yds
ALuck 16-29, 229 yds

Yup, luck sure outplayed RW, statistically today.

And, speaking about stats, no one seemed to care last week, now, it's oh crap, he's regressing!

 

[Hawkpower]

It's been said, this board is filled with intelligent people, yet I see many fall into the most overused trap.

QB gets too much credit when the team wins, and way too much blame when the team loses.

Or, maybe....I hope....it's because many have high expectations of RW.

One last note:
RW 15-31, 210 yds
ALuck 16-29, 229 yds

Yup, luck sure outplayed RW, statistically today.

And, speaking about stats, no one seemed to care last week, now, it's oh crap, he's regressing!

I will also add there have been lots of "experts" on here proclaiming that Luck is clearly the better QB.

Not only were they equal today RW has much better career numbers.

food for thought.

 

[2JZ2NV-9ER]

this is my first post on this site so dont flame me for saying this, and im too lazy to read through all the replies but my answer to the thread topic is yes. defenses are starting to figure out how to shut down mobile qb's

with that being said, kap is slumping big time as well... i think theyre both gonna bounce back once they get their main weapons to play with...
russ will thrive on having harvin on the field as will kap with crabs and super mario.

i think rw is playing alot better than kap right now... he carried the entire team on his back to come back and beat the texans on the road last week. that was a HUGE WIN!
2 road losses and our win today would have put us back in the driver seat... but thats the way she goes and we still gotta play catch up.

rw really is a stud. and once again it pains me to say that as a niner fan. when he scrambles hes virtually impossible to tackle until hes near the sideline. i really think hes the only qb in the nfl that can scramble like that.

cheers, boys, heres to intelligent football arguments and less trolling from my fellow niners.

 

[Blitzer88]

Maybe....maybe not, all I know is that we are not getting in the endzone as often as we were at the end of last season. Whether thats the play calling, Russell having his hiccups, the oline or what, but something has to change.

 

[SalishHawkFan]

Well, first off, we lost game one so no, we weren't 4-1 after five. Also, last year we played against some elite QB's, but this year we are facing the elite defenses instead. And this year we lost 3/5ths of our o line.

So let's wait and see, shall we?

 

[2JZ2NV-9ER]

Maybe....maybe not, all I know is that we are not getting in the endzone as often as we were at the end of last season. Whether thats the play calling, Russell having his hiccups, the oline or what, but something has to change.

was the same way with alex in 2009... i got to a place in my life where I got complacent with him driving hard and then settling for a field goal.

im hoping both russel and kap get it figured out to the point we have a division war for the ages in december. of course kap will out battle rw ;-)

 

[HawKnPeppa]

My rule #1 don't start dissecting a QB's play until his O-line is set (we are minus 3 starters)
#2 if he's still finding ways to string together drives DESPITE super-subpar pass protection, AND if he's completing passes during those drives, chances are he's worth keeping.

Imagine ANY of our past QB's behind our current line without artificially propping them up to help your argument against RW. NONE of them would be doing enough to WIN games against the D's we've lined up against much less stay with a very balanced team in Indy.

End or rant. Y'all get super-silly with this post-loss speculation.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Russell Wilson has definitely regressed as a passer. He just does not look like the same guy that he was last season --- at least not yet. Something about Wilson, and our offense just seems off right now. Mid way through the 2012 season our offense would wear teams out. The Seahawks would march down the field, Wilson would convert third downs, and was DEADLY in the redzone. This season he looks sloppy. He is missing passes that would be a sure completion for him, and he is overthrowing guys right and left. Even dating back to preseason he didn't look like that same electriying player that he was before. Instead he is bailing from the pocket far too early, and he's far too eager to go back to playing backyard football. The receivers save for Baldwin seem out of synch with Wilson, and sloppy, especially Sidney Rice. The timing seems off, and there seems to be an element of familiarity missing with our receivers. Something in our offense is broken, and it isn't just the line. Our receivers aren't getting the job done even when Wilson delivers the ball.

 

[themunn]

Where on earth have your stats come from?

Wilson had 5 TDs and 6 interceptions in the first 5 games last year, including a 0 TD - 3 INT performance in St Louis. Furthermore, Lynch had 1 less TD than he had last year, and Wilson came out of the game against the Jags when there were several more TDs to be taken.

On top of that, the Panthers, Texans and 49ers are all top 5 defenses at this point in time, the Colts come in at 11th (I won't mention the Jags).

Oh, and our All-Pro LT is on IR and All-Pro Center has missed 2 games.

And we're 4-1 compared to 3-2.

Wilson's QB rating is 91.2 compared to 75.3 at the same point last year.

And he ran for more yards last night alone than he did in the first 5 games total last year (92)

Has he regressed from his December/January form? Maybe. But the entire team is playing worse than they did (conceded more points last night than they have in any game since the Bengals game in 2011, where we had a punt return for a TD and an interception return for a TD in the 4th Q)

And we're STILL 4-1.

 

[themunn]

Oh, you took the LAST 5 games of the season, RIGHT I GET YOU.

Why not, it makes sense to pick the 5 games he played his best in.
Maybe he's one of those QBs that plays better in December and January when other teams are worn down and injured?
When it gets to December and the Seahawks have been dominating ToP throughout the year and are relatively fresh compared to their opponents?

You have to compare like for like

 

[aawolf]

It's been said, this board is filled with intelligent people, yet I see many fall into the most overused trap.

QB gets too much credit when the team wins, and way too much blame when the team loses.

Or, maybe....I hope....it's because many have high expectations of RW.

One last note:
RW 15-31, 210 yds
ALuck 16-29, 229 yds

Yup, luck sure outplayed RW, statistically today.

And, speaking about stats, no one seemed to care last week, now, it's oh crap, he's regressing!

Don't forget to add rushing stats:

RW: Passing: 15-31, 210 yds; Rushing: 13 carries, 102 yds; Total yds: 312
Luck: Passing: 16-29, 229 yds; Rushing: 4 carries, 9 yds; Total yds: 236

RUSSELL WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR MORE TOTAL YARDS THAN ANDREW LUCK!!

Total net yards from both teams:
Seahawks: 423
Colts: 317

Russell Wilson was responsible for 5 LESS YARDS THAN THE ENTIRE COLTS OFFENSE!

All you guys saying that Russell is regressing need to check yourselves. I realize he overthrew a few, but when he did, those throws were excusable. The ONE TIME he underthrew a receiver on that last drive, it was intercepted. Also, if you're going to put this loss on his shoulders, think about that pass from inside the 10 to Lynch on 3rd and goal with only one guy to beat in front of him that hit him in the chest. That's the ball game right there if he caught it and the reaction by Lynch shows that drop was clearly his fault.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Why the hell did they go away from pounding the ball down their throats in the 2nd half??? They flat out couldn't stop the Hawks running game, all the sudden, they just change it up. Stupid.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

OK, let me ask those of you that think he's a problem....who would you rather have as your team's QB? You want Peyton or Drew Brees or Brady? OK maybe this season they'll play better than RW, but their careers are nearing an end and you'll be looking for a replacement this next offseason for your future. Captain One Read in Frisco? Um, no thank you. Tony Chocko? Seriously let's just move on. Eli? Matt Ryan? Cutler? Stafford? Newton? Locker? Tannehill? None of the above please.

Right now there are 2 QBS that come to mind that I MIGHT trade Russ for with the present AND the future as a consideration, Luck and Rodgers. Maybe someone else here will mention a 3rd I've forgotten. None the less, the kid's done well with average play from his o-line over the last 10 games or so, an admittedly good running game and very spotty seperation from hiw WR corps. Think back to how many times you've seen him with time and no one getting open the last 10-12 games. There's a reason JS & PC spent all that draft capital and coin on Harvin folks, and it wasn't cuz our team's WR are exactly top flight.

The kid's gonna be fine. In fact he's going to be very good for quite a long time. He definitely needs to work on the overthrows and he definitely needs a better WR corps but if and when we see better offensive line health & Harvin here fairly soon I think we'll see a better Russ too.

 

[SouthSoundHawk]

 

[Thunderhawk]

Ultimately a QB needs to be judged on point production. All offensive stats are mostly worthless if they don't produce points. If a QB goes 5/25 but the 5 completed passes were TDs that is better than 25/25 for 400 yards 1 TD. Russ is simply not leading the offense to enough TDs.

Game 1: 1 TD
Game 2: 3 TD
Game 3: 4 TD
Game 4: 1 TD
Game 5: 2 TD

On defense we have the term "bend but don't break" when a D allows much yardage but prevents the opponent from scoring. There needs to be a similar designation for offenses that produce yardage but can't score touchdowns ("trend but don't take"?).

Wilson is the point man. His decision making is directly responsible for how productive our offense is. His scrambling, though exciting, is sound and fury signifying nothing if it doesn't produce points. It will never be as effective as accurate pre-snap reads and delivering the ball *on time* to exploit the gaps in the defenses. Brees, Manning, Brady, Moon, Marino, Rodgers mastered getting the ball out quickly to their skill players and their offenses were always among the league lead in points scored. Some of you want to mention Wilson in their company. He is still a young player so maybe he can get there, but it will not happen unless he starts making quicker decisions and scrambles less.

You can blame our OL injuries for our lack of TDs but Manning/Rogers/Brady have all had significant injuries along the o-line at various times during their careers but compensated by delivering the ball quicker. Rodgers MVP year is particularly notable in that regard.

With all of that said, we win this game if Lynch gets 25 carries.

 

[Hawks46]

He's not throwing the ball well so far, but I am very hesitant to put much blame on him. I think he has lousy support from pass pro so far, and Bevell doesn't seem to know how to build a passing game for him. "Run verts and scramble" or "Bootleg" seem to be the passing game so far.

This. We don't seem to have a short passing game. It makes me wonder how we'll use Harvin when he comes back.

Our OL is also much worse at this point than it was last year. A better question would be to ask if Sweezy is regressing or not.

 

[volsunghawk]

Russell Wilson has definitely regressed as a passer. He just does not look like the same guy that he was last season --- at least not yet. Something about Wilson, and our offense just seems off right now. Mid way through the 2012 season our offense would wear teams out. The Seahawks would march down the field, Wilson would convert third downs, and was DEADLY in the redzone. This season he looks sloppy. He is missing passes that would be a sure completion for him, and he is overthrowing guys right and left. Even dating back to preseason he didn't look like that same electriying player that he was before. Instead he is bailing from the pocket far too early, and he's far too eager to go back to playing backyard football. The receivers save for Baldwin seem out of synch with Wilson, and sloppy, especially Sidney Rice. The timing seems off, and there seems to be an element of familiarity missing with our receivers. Something in our offense is broken, and it isn't just the line. Our receivers aren't getting the job done even when Wilson delivers the ball.

You've answered your own question. Our offense wasn't impressive during the first half of last season, either, and we're facing even tougher defenses this year thus far.

So what happened over the course of last season that had our offense playing lights out near the end? Could it have been that the offense developed better and better timing and familiarity over the course of the season?

Why do people think that kind of timing just carries over year after year? Teams have to work at that every single year, and every year, people act amazed when defenses are ahead of offenses early in the season. If the Seahawks' offensive timing looks off after 9-10 weeks, then the complaints will be much more justified. But thus far, the Seahawks' O has had to work on developing better timing while dealing with injuries at multiple positions and facing some pretty sturdy defenses.