Is Robinson next?

[formido]

MRob is a must at fullback this season IMO, not just his blocking and recieving out of the backfield, but his leadership on and off the field is irreplacable at this point. I can't see him going anywhere this season.

I know how you feel. We said the same thing. He was easily one of the fan's favorites, and we were pretty shocked to see Harbaugh let him walk.

I don't think there will be a drop off like you guys might expect though. The other players are still going to play, they still want to win. It's just something you have to move on from.

He's not going anywhere, as was made pretty clear by Seattle's RB coach today.

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[fsmassey]

MRob expendable?

Not in a million, billion years am I buying that. He is Beasts' wingman, one of his best friends.



As to the article, I stopped reading after the introduction, because I really disagreed with his evidence that veteran players, leaders aren't worth anything.

Let's look at Ray Lewis as a shining example. There was a statistic last year that showed that even though Ray Lewis' play and stats were hitting bottom, the team still played better with him on the field at all times. The defense literally would rally around him and play better in his presence.

I can't stand analysts who take morale and leadership out of the equation of a winning formula. Morale and leadership have greatly changed this world over thousands of years, from wars to revolutions to social progression.

Mrob is the soul of this team. Keep him til Beast and him go out together.

 

[lukerguy]

As a former QB, Robinson is another set of eyes in the backfield to see what's going on. I would feel must less confident in Bates or Coleman in plays, blocking, and obviously there leaves a void in leadership. I could see next year moving Coleman to starting FB, but for now, I think we're a year premature.

 

[Jville]

RBs coach Sherman Smith doesn't think MRob is a likely cut

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He says the team is better with Robinson the All Pro FB, ranks Coleman ahead of Ware, and says for Michael to see the field as part of the 45 he will need to play on ST.

What was posted was >>>>

Christine has to become a special teams player in order to be active on Sunday, and Turbo plays special teams. Marshawn is the only guy in our room that doesn't play special teams. If he becomes a starter, then he doesn't have to worry about that.

 

[sc85sis]

Why would Pete cut a Pro Bowl FB for a young guy who has yet to prove capable of the job on a consistent basis? We don't need to cut him for this year's cap. Cutting him now for next year's cap makes no sense whatsoever considering how valuable he is to the team at FB AND on ST.

 

[CamanoIslandJQ]

When next year comes around, the post Super Bowl Seahawks will manage the salary cap through negotiation with the "new" contract guys to (new Super bowl champion) team friendly terms and will likely renegotiate other player contracts to more team friendly terms to help the cap crunch. Why would any of our guys want to change teams? The Seahawks staff is much better equipped to handle cap issues than any of the "glass half empty" guys around these parts.

Just like the evidence we have already seen ----> FA's ----WANT---- to be Seahawks, even for smaller #'s and shorter contracts. IMO the Seahawks staff already has a plan to manage the cap in the coming years and have the situation well under control and IMO, NONE of the core players will be cut, trades however could possibly come into play.

I'm not worried about the cap right now and just want to see the Seahawks dominate their opponents, 14-2 here we come. Go Hawks.

 

[kearly]

I am not anti-Hawkblogger by any means, we think alike much more than we don't, but sometimes he can miss the forest for the trees a bit (for example, he made way too big a deal about practice / reps in the QB competition last year and backed Flynn hard despite the fact that Hawkblogger was among the few who loved the Wilson pick).

I too have been thinking about how much longer we'll get to enjoy Mike Rob here. He's currently 30 years old, he actually turns 31 four days after the next Super Bowl. He is a free agent after this season. The team has tried three new players at fullback this offseason.

I think Seattle is proactive and they are trying to find out if they can avoid giving Robinson another contract in 2014. Coleman looks alright, Bates is a super long shot and Ware has barely had reps at FB and seems like a better fit at RB. Releasing Robinson and replacing him with Coleman would save about $2 million in cap space, but to me the difference between Robinson and Coleman is worth easily that much. Comparing Robinson's contract value to mega-bargain rookies on their first contract (Tate, Sherman, etc) is non-sequitur.

 

[SNDavidson]

I could see us trading him next offseason, maybe, probably not though.

 

[themunn]

I am not anti-Hawkblogger by any means, we think alike much more than we don't, but sometimes he can miss the forest for the trees a bit (for example, he made way too big a deal about practice / reps in the QB competition last year and backed Flynn hard despite the fact that Hawkblogger was among the few who loved the Wilson pick).

I too have been thinking about how much longer we'll get to enjoy Mike Rob here. He's currently 30 years old, he actually turns 31 four days after the next Super Bowl. He is a free agent after this season. The team has tried three new players at fullback this offseason.

I think Seattle is proactive and they are trying to find out if they can avoid giving Robinson another contract in 2014. Coleman looks alright, Bates is a super long shot and Ware has barely had reps at FB and seems like a better fit at RB. Releasing Robinson and replacing him with Coleman would save about $2 million in cap space, but to me the difference between Robinson and Coleman is worth easily that much. Comparing Robinson's contract value to mega-bargain rookies on their first contract (Tate, Sherman, etc) is non-sequitur.

31 isn't that old though. For a running back? Yes. For a fullback?
Mack Strong played until he was 36, and only missed 4 games between 1995 and 2006. Robinson isn't Mack, but he's got a few years in him yet

 

[kearly]

Robinson is way too critical to our running game. And I disagree with how casually Hawkblogger dismisses Robinson's leadership. You worry about cap decisions AFTER the Super Bowl run season. There's no reason to release one of your critical players to save cap dollars right before the season.

I agree with everything you said, but would point out that releasing Robinson does in fact have cap benefits. Under the new CBA, unspent money rolls into the next cap number. If you replaced Robinson with Coleman it would boost our 2014 cap number by roughly $2 million.

That said, is the upgrade from Coleman to Robinson worth $2 million in future cap space? If we are talking about risk and pure on-field ability, there is no question about it. Robinson is worth the money. The leadership and the fanbase benefit of the RRR make it an even easier call to make.

31 isn't that old though. For a running back? Yes. For a fullback?
Mack Strong played until he was 36, and only missed 4 games between 1995 and 2006. Robinson isn't Mack, but he's got a few years in him yet

I think Robinson will probably age well (he stays healthy, etc), but you don't see a ton of FBs over 30 across the league. He had his best season yet in 2012 IMO, so if he keeps this up I'd love to see him get another contract. But given the trends and history of the league, you can easily understand why the Seahawks were kicking the tires on FBs this offseason. That, plus the Seahawks are going to be making cap related sacrifices next offseason and I'm sure they'll be looking over their whole roster for opportunities to get cheaper without dropping the performance level too much. I think M-Rob is safe and will probably get another contract with us, but it makes a lot of sense that they are at least attempting to replace him.

 

[Throwdown]

Just keeping it real, Hawkblogger seems more wrong than right.

 

[kearly]

It's upsetting to hear the RB coach say that Christine Michael needs to be a special teams contributor to be on the active portion (45 players) of the 53 man roster. That would seem to imply that Turbin is holding the #2 job, which to me seems like a wasted opportunity. Michael could be Ben Tate to Lynch's Arian Foster. Turbin is a good 3rd down back, but I see real star power in Michael and I'd like to see him get as many touches this year as possible.

 

[Hasselbeck]

MRob is a must at fullback this season IMO, not just his blocking and recieving out of the backfield, but his leadership on and off the field is irreplacable at this point. I can't see him going anywhere this season.

I know how you feel. We said the same thing. He was easily one of the fan's favorites, and we were pretty shocked to see Harbaugh let him walk.

I don't think there will be a drop off like you guys might expect though. The other players are still going to play, they still want to win. It's just something you have to move on from.

I bet you WERE surprised Harbaugh let him walk.

Especially since Harbaugh didn't become the coach of the 49ers until the year after Robinson was cut.

Get off the guy, it's hard to learn all that Niners history in 2 years.

 

[Scottemojo]

It's upsetting to hear the RB coach say that Christine Michael needs to be a special teams contributor to be on the active portion (45 players) of the 53 man roster. That would seem to imply that Turbin is holding the #2 job, which to me seems like a wasted opportunity. Michael could be Ben Tate to Lynch's Arian Foster. Turbin is a good 3rd down back, but I see real star power in Michael and I'd like to see him get as many touches this year as possible.

With this staff's phobia of turnovers, it is no surprise to see Turbin ahead of Butterfingers.

 

[Fuzzman55]

I just don't see cutting Robinson, unless the blocking fullback is being phased out of the offense. None of the young guys can block in the same stratosphere. At some point we might reach critical mass where the TE/H-back takes on those more traditional fullback duties, but we're not there yet.

 

[MysterMatt]

Are we trying to win the Super Bowl, or roll cap dollars? That's where it breaks down for me.

Releasing Robinson is not the correct football move, because it weakens the offense - no matter how some people want to dismiss what Mike Rob brings to the offense.

I wouldn't be overly shocked to see Robinson cut, but I don't think the cap savings trumps how important he is for this team (at this point) - and I'd be very disappointed. I just don't see it happening.

Exactly. In certain years I could see why moving Robinson could possibly make some sense, but we're loaded for bear NOW and we've seen no evidence that replacing Robinson is any but a step backward at that position. Things may be different next year, but given the circumstances, a million dollars is not a good reason to make such a move.

Besides, Sherman Smith was on Softy yesterday afternoon and flat out said moving Robinson is a stupid idea. Granted, we haven't heard Schneider say this, but I'm quite confident that this whole notion is just bogus once you walk in the doors of the Seahawk's front office.

 

[ivotuk]

Replacing MRob would screw with Marshawn's running too. He calls Mike "my eyes" and I think that relationship nets a lot of yards after contact. These young guys would likely make the wrong choice and really harm the running game which is our bread and butter. No, these young guys are being primed for next year, not this one.

Plus MRob gets us a lot of 1st downs with his FB runs and catches out of the backfield, add to that his familiarity with the playbook and the question is "Who here is capable of replacing that kind of production?" The answer, "No one."

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Keeping MRob can only help the continuity that Wilson and the offense are trying to build upon from last year. We almost got to the NFCCG with that. You don't mess with that unless there's a burning impetus, and saving $2 million in cap space on a 30-year-old Pro Bowl FB when you're a run-based Super Bowl contender is not a burning impetus. Comparing him to Hasselbeck, Tatupu, and Milloy is dumb; they were expensive and aging, yes, but on an entirely different level than MRob. And no potential FB on this roster holds the value that MRob does; their being tried at FB doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Hawkblogger is truly pulling a John Morgan here, acknowledging Robinson's talent but basically acting as if fans want him around because he's a "favorite" and generates the Real Rob Report. That feels like the core of his idea, with a bunch of random reasoning glomped onto it to fill it out. There's nothing here.

 

[chris98251]

Robinson is the cement of the running game and keeps everyone on task, seeing the feild as QB, being able to read like a RB and knowing the offense to help coordinate things with the lineman and intuively able to make adjustments and having Marshawns trust in what he does and able to play off that. Thats just playing FB, thats not his overall leadership and special teams abilities and contribution. The fact he has limited wear and tear by playing FB for only a portion of his football career versus many other career FB's should keep him pretty fresh for his age as well.

a Couple million for a guy that keeps you at the top of the NFL in running is chump change, we will pay a WR much more as a complimentary piece of the offense and that position is more easy to find depth in.

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

This is a ridiculous notion.

Heck, they're not even trying Ware at full back. Is Bates going to be starting in week one? Come on.

Robinson is a nailed on lock to make this team. It's not even worthy of a debate.