Is Bevell to blame for much of this teams discontent?

[scutterhawk]

People give too much credit to Belichick and too much hate for Pete and Bevell.

That's the way sports works.

Bottom line, this thread is ridiculous. Is Russell showing discontent because of his O-Coordinator? How bout Avril? Wagner? Kam? Doug?

Nope, cause they're good players and teammates. Just one selfish player is showing discontent, and if he doesn't shape up, he's about to be wearing another team's jersey.

Exactly ^^

 

[scutterhawk]

You are decimating the :179422: drinking doubters.

Well done, sir! Keep it up.

Thank you, I'll do just that.....Oh and, See how I don't need to keep "Googling" silly crap to get my point across? :stirthepot:

 

[semiahmoo]

It was a poor call and poor execution considering the players we had on the field and the players they had on the field but what sealed the deal was giving them plenty of time to read and react to what was coming. Now if that play is truly to blame for of the team histrionics that have occurred since then that is on Pete for allowing it to fester.

Well said.

 

[nash72]

Sioux keeps backing up his stance with Facts & Stats, and some of Y'all are trying to prop up your POINT OF VIEW with Smoke & Mirrors, and when that doesn't work?....... :34853_tinfoil: ya just keep on tryin' to blow more smoke.

What facts and stats would that be? That NE was in a certain package, but no mention of the shift when the D realized what we were going to do? The fact that Kearse missed a block or bump against the most physically imposing CB in the league thats made a career out of disrupting plays just like the one we ran? The fact that the play was designed to go to our worst receiver (hey Sioux has been adamant about telling us Lockette wasnt our 5th receiver and that was all due to injuries so well done there)? The fact that Sioux thinks the play wold have worked 90 out of 100 times if ran again (great stats)? The fact that Lynch got stuffed earlier in the game on a short yardage run, but fails to bring up how the Patriots defense was gassed and on their heels at the point of the game when '2nd and worst' was called? What other great stats and facts am I missing?

Oh yeah, your welcome for the Google link. If you bothered to click a couple of those interior links, you would see the criticism of the play from coaches, players, and the media alike, but i'm sure you didnt bother because Sioux knows better than those guys. Pretty horrible play call. Especially when the coach considered it a 'Wasted Play'.

 

[semiahmoo]

Sioux keeps backing up his stance with Facts & Stats, and some of Y'all are trying to prop up your POINT OF VIEW with Smoke & Mirrors, and when that doesn't work?....... :34853_tinfoil: ya just keep on tryin' to blow more smoke.

What facts and stats would that be? That NE was in a certain package, but no mention of the shift when the D realized what we were going to do? The fact that Kearse missed a block or bump against the most physically imposing CB in the league thats made a career out of disrupting plays just like the one we ran? The fact that the play was designed to go to our worst receiver (hey Sioux has been adamant about telling us Lockette wasnt our 5th receiver and that was all due to injuries so well done there)? The fact that Sioux thinks the play wold have worked 90 out of 100 times if ran again (great stats)? The fact that Lynch got stuffed earlier in the game on a short yardage run, but fails to bring up how the Patriots defense was gassed and on their heels at the point of the game when '2nd and worst' was called? What other great stats and facts am I missing?

Oh yeah, your welcome for the Google link. If you bothered to click a couple of those interior links, you would see the criticism of the play from coaches, players, and the media alike, but i'm sure you didnt bother because Sioux knows better than those guys. Pretty horrible play call. Especially when the coach considered it a 'Wasted Play'.

Game. Set. Match.

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[Siouxhawk]

Sioux keeps backing up his stance with Facts & Stats, and some of Y'all are trying to prop up your POINT OF VIEW with Smoke & Mirrors, and when that doesn't work?....... :34853_tinfoil: ya just keep on tryin' to blow more smoke.

What facts and stats would that be? That NE was in a certain package, but no mention of the shift when the D realized what we were going to do? The fact that Kearse missed a block or bump against the most physically imposing CB in the league thats made a career out of disrupting plays just like the one we ran? The fact that the play was designed to go to our worst receiver (hey Sioux has been adamant about telling us Lockette wasnt our 5th receiver and that was all due to injuries so well done there)? The fact that Sioux thinks the play wold have worked 90 out of 100 times if ran again (great stats)? The fact that Lynch got stuffed earlier in the game on a short yardage run, but fails to bring up how the Patriots defense was gassed and on their heels at the point of the game when '2nd and worst' was called? What other great stats and facts am I missing?

Oh yeah, your welcome for the Google link. If you bothered to click a couple of those interior links, you would see the criticism of the play from coaches, players, and the media alike, but i'm sure you didnt bother because Sioux knows better than those guys. Pretty horrible play call. Especially when the coach considered it a 'Wasted Play'.

What do you exactly mean when you say they made a "shift" on D? The only guy they subbed in was Butler, which was a good move. But they still had their jumbo package out there, anticipating a Marshawn run.

And what gives you any indication that they were "gassed" any more than our guys? And for the record, there were as many coaches and players that saw the merits of the play design as were those that didn't like it in the MMQB piece. And according to a Addidi Kinkawala (sp?) tweet in the moments after the game, Marshawn said he wasn't upset with the play call, citing it being a team sport. Bruce Irvin was the only one who went on record to say he was upset with the call.

In any event, players and coaches who remain from that moment 36 games ago, keep it burning inside and have grown from that outcome. We've been knocking on the door of getting back there since and I expect we'll do just that sometime within the next 3 years.

 

[semiahmoo]

Sioux keeps backing up his stance with Facts & Stats, and some of Y'all are trying to prop up your POINT OF VIEW with Smoke & Mirrors, and when that doesn't work?....... :34853_tinfoil: ya just keep on tryin' to blow more smoke.

What facts and stats would that be? That NE was in a certain package, but no mention of the shift when the D realized what we were going to do? The fact that Kearse missed a block or bump against the most physically imposing CB in the league thats made a career out of disrupting plays just like the one we ran? The fact that the play was designed to go to our worst receiver (hey Sioux has been adamant about telling us Lockette wasnt our 5th receiver and that was all due to injuries so well done there)? The fact that Sioux thinks the play wold have worked 90 out of 100 times if ran again (great stats)? The fact that Lynch got stuffed earlier in the game on a short yardage run, but fails to bring up how the Patriots defense was gassed and on their heels at the point of the game when '2nd and worst' was called? What other great stats and facts am I missing?

Oh yeah, your welcome for the Google link. If you bothered to click a couple of those interior links, you would see the criticism of the play from coaches, players, and the media alike, but i'm sure you didnt bother because Sioux knows better than those guys. Pretty horrible play call. Especially when the coach considered it a 'Wasted Play'.

What do you exactly mean when you say they made a "shift" on D? The only guy they subbed in was Butler, which was a good move. But they still had their jumbo package out there, anticipating a Marshawn run.

And what gives you any indication that they were "gassed" any more than our guys? And for the record, there were as many coaches and players that saw the merits of the play design as were those that didn't like it in the MMQB piece. And according to a Addidi Kinkawala (sp?) tweet in the moments after the game, Marshawn said he wasn't upset with the play call, citing it being a team sport. Bruce Irvin was the only one who went on record to say he was upset with the call.

In any event, players and coaches who remain from that moment 36 games ago, keep it burning inside and have grown from that outcome. We've been knocking on the door of getting back there since and I expect we'll do just that sometime within the next 3 years.

 

[semiahmoo]

The "Worst Play Call in Super Bowl History" - via a roundtable of actual NFL stars.

From the call itself, to the RW's decision to throw and not recognizing NE had it totally and completely read, I agree.
A horrible call.

Why anyone would attempt to defend it as anything but that makes no sense. Feel free to do do. I choose to see it different as do these former NFL stars...

https://youtu.be/CZSqjfYaX4M?t=55s

 

[nash72]

And what gives you any indication that they were "gassed" any more than our guys? And for the record, there were as many coaches and players that saw the merits of the play design as were those that didn't like it in the MMQB piece. And according to a Addidi Kinkawala (sp?) tweet in the moments after the game, Marshawn said he wasn't upset with the play call, citing it being a team sport. Bruce Irvin was the only one who went on record to say he was upset with the call.

The way they were breathing and how Lynch just gashed them to get the ball to the 1.

You are desperate and reaching if you think there was just as many coaches and players that agreed with that play. If that was true, there wouldnt be pages upon pages of articles proclaiming it the worst football play call ever. For craps and giggles, show me these numerous coaches and players that liked the play call. Sure, theres probably a few, but they like you, are in a large minority.

Kudos for our players holding it together after the game. Glad none of the players or us fans are being effected or talking about it now. Oh wait,,,,,,,

In any event, players and coaches who remain from that moment 36 games ago, keep it burning inside and have grown from that outcome. We've been knocking on the door of getting back there since and I expect we'll do just that sometime within the next 3 years.

Knocking on the door? We have progressively gotten worse every year since that play. There hasent been any door knocking. We've been standing on the outside looking in. 3 years from now the window will be completely shut and locked.

 

[Siouxhawk]

I don't know how you justify us getting worse considering we've advanced to the same round the previous 2 seasons. In fact, this past year probably was more of an accomplishment with all the injuries we sustained.

You know, you don't have to remain a Hawks fan if you don't have any faith. No one's holding you to that. But when you start questioning others' beliefs that we will win it all again within 3 years, that's when we're going to have problems.

 

[hawkfan68]

The "Worst Play Call in Super Bowl History" - via a roundtable of actual NFL stars.

From the call itself, to the RW's decision to throw and not recognizing NE had it totally and completely read, I agree.
A horrible call.

Why anyone would attempt to defend it as anything but that makes no sense. Feel free to do do. I choose to see it different as do these former NFL stars...

https://youtu.be/CZSqjfYaX4M?t=55s

Some more NFL players/ former players saying it was the worst play call in SB history -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6o5fgSPalQ

 

[semiahmoo]

The "Worst Play Call in Super Bowl History" - via a roundtable of actual NFL stars.

From the call itself, to the RW's decision to throw and not recognizing NE had it totally and completely read, I agree.
A horrible call.

Why anyone would attempt to defend it as anything but that makes no sense. Feel free to do do. I choose to see it different as do these former NFL stars...

https://youtu.be/CZSqjfYaX4M?t=55s

Some more NFL players/ former players saying it was the worst play call in SB history -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6o5fgSPalQ

Man, watching these vids makes me angry all over again.

Worst call ever and this team has never recovered. Don't care what anyone of the cheerleaders in here try and say, the Seahawks have never been the same since that happened. How do you move on when the guy who called that most idiotic of Super Bowl plays is still standing on the sidelines???

 

[Siouxhawk]

The "Worst Play Call in Super Bowl History" - via a roundtable of actual NFL stars.

From the call itself, to the RW's decision to throw and not recognizing NE had it totally and completely read, I agree.
A horrible call.

Why anyone would attempt to defend it as anything but that makes no sense. Feel free to do do. I choose to see it different as do these former NFL stars...

https://youtu.be/CZSqjfYaX4M?t=55s

Some more NFL players/ former players saying it was the worst play call in SB history -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6o5fgSPalQ

Everybody has an opinion. It doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

 

[Siouxhawk]

The "Worst Play Call in Super Bowl History" - via a roundtable of actual NFL stars.

From the call itself, to the RW's decision to throw and not recognizing NE had it totally and completely read, I agree.
A horrible call.

Why anyone would attempt to defend it as anything but that makes no sense. Feel free to do do. I choose to see it different as do these former NFL stars...

https://youtu.be/CZSqjfYaX4M?t=55s

Some more NFL players/ former players saying it was the worst play call in SB history -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6o5fgSPalQ

Man, watching these vids makes me angry all over again.

Worst call ever and this team has never recovered. Don't care what anyone of the cheerleaders in here try and say, the Seahawks have never been the same since that happened. How do you move on when the guy who called that most idiotic of Super Bowl plays is still standing on the sidelines???

But you only equate 'not the same' to being back to the Super Bowl. That is flawed logic.

 

[hawkfan68]

The "Worst Play Call in Super Bowl History" - via a roundtable of actual NFL stars.

From the call itself, to the RW's decision to throw and not recognizing NE had it totally and completely read, I agree.
A horrible call.

Why anyone would attempt to defend it as anything but that makes no sense. Feel free to do do. I choose to see it different as do these former NFL stars...

https://youtu.be/CZSqjfYaX4M?t=55s

Some more NFL players/ former players saying it was the worst play call in SB history -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6o5fgSPalQ

Everybody has an opinion. It doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

Very true.

Back to the topic at hand, is Bevell to blame for the discontent? no he isn't. However, I do believe he has had a hand in it for sure. I think there's a lot blame to go around. I do think that Sherman's discontent is not isolated to one play. I think it's bigger than that. I think it stems from the accountability aspect. Players are held accountable differently from coaches. Pete has not held his coaches accountable for anything (based on observation and Sherm's reaction) while players have been accountable. They get benched, etc. That is the underlying factor among players and coaches. Not many have spoken out but I'm sure Sherman is not alone in thinking this. He's outspoken and wears his emotions on sleeve more than others may. And yes, all of this is my opinion. But from my view, Pete does treat coaches differently than he does players.

 

[Siouxhawk]

The "Worst Play Call in Super Bowl History" - via a roundtable of actual NFL stars.

From the call itself, to the RW's decision to throw and not recognizing NE had it totally and completely read, I agree.
A horrible call.

Why anyone would attempt to defend it as anything but that makes no sense. Feel free to do do. I choose to see it different as do these former NFL stars...

https://youtu.be/CZSqjfYaX4M?t=55s

Some more NFL players/ former players saying it was the worst play call in SB history -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6o5fgSPalQ

Everybody has an opinion. It doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

Very true. You may want to consider that because the tone of your posts suggest you're right and everyone else is wrong. That bolded statement you just made is about the only thing I can say you've been absolutely correct on.

And sometimes there are just battles that can never be proven absolutely wrong or right. Then it goes to the court of opinion, which is what this thread is all about.

 

[Siouxhawk]

The "Worst Play Call in Super Bowl History" - via a roundtable of actual NFL stars.

From the call itself, to the RW's decision to throw and not recognizing NE had it totally and completely read, I agree.
A horrible call.

Why anyone would attempt to defend it as anything but that makes no sense. Feel free to do do. I choose to see it different as do these former NFL stars...

https://youtu.be/CZSqjfYaX4M?t=55s

Some more NFL players/ former players saying it was the worst play call in SB history -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6o5fgSPalQ

Everybody has an opinion. It doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

Very true.

Back to the topic at hand, is Bevell to blame for the discontent? no he isn't. However, I do believe he has had a hand in it for sure. I think there's a lot blame to go around. I do think that Sherman's discontent is not isolated to one play. I think it's bigger than that. I think it stems from the accountability aspect. Players are held accountable differently from coaches. Pete has not held his coaches accountable for anything (based on observation and Sherm's reaction) while players have been accountable. They get benched, etc. That is the underlying factor among players and coaches. Not many have spoken out but I'm sure Sherman is not alone in thinking this. He's outspoken and wears his emotions on sleeve more than others may. And yes, all of this is my opinion. But from my view, Pete does treat coaches differently than he does players.

And it seems like supposition on your part to say he hasn't held his staff accountable. How do you know what goes on in meetings behind closed doors? Maybe that's why Sherm Smith isn't with us anymore. He apparently self-admitted he didn't have the energy for the grind anymore. Maybe that came after a heart-to-heart with Pete.

 

[nash72]

I don't know how you justify us getting worse considering we've advanced to the same round the previous 2 seasons. In fact, this past year probably was more of an accomplishment with all the injuries we sustained.

In 2015, the games were up in the air. I thought we had a chance beating the Panthers going into that game (until the 1st half was played). The Hawks had zero chance of beating the Falcons last year. The scales of power has shifted.

You know, you don't have to remain a Hawks fan if you don't have any faith. No one's holding you to that. But when you start questioning others' beliefs that we will win it all again within 3 years, that's when we're going to have problems.

You can still be a fan of a team and not believe they have a chance of winning the title before, during, or after a season. You must know this after being a Vikings fan for so long. As for others belief that we will win another super bowl within the next 3 years, I think your the only one thats claiming that. Others might be hopeful, but I dont think anybody actually believes it.

 

[semiahmoo]

I don't know how you justify us getting worse considering we've advanced to the same round the previous 2 seasons. In fact, this past year probably was more of an accomplishment with all the injuries we sustained.

In 2015, the games were up in the air. I thought we had a chance beating the Panthers going into that game (until the 1st half was played). The Hawks had zero chance of beating the Falcons last year. The scales of power has shifted.

You know, you don't have to remain a Hawks fan if you don't have any faith. No one's holding you to that. But when you start questioning others' beliefs that we will win it all again within 3 years, that's when we're going to have problems.

You can still be a fan of a team and not believe they have a chance of winning the title before, during, or after a season. You must know this after being a Vikings fan for so long. As for others belief that we will win another super bowl within the next 3 years, I think your the only one thats claiming that. Others might be hopeful, but I dont think anybody actually believes it.

He was a longtime Vikings fan?

Ah, now it all makes sense...

 

[hawkfan68]

Very true.

Back to the topic at hand, is Bevell to blame for the discontent? no he isn't. However, I do believe he has had a hand in it for sure. I think there's a lot blame to go around. I do think that Sherman's discontent is not isolated to one play. I think it's bigger than that. I think it stems from the accountability aspect. Players are held accountable differently from coaches. Pete has not held his coaches accountable for anything (based on observation and Sherm's reaction) while players have been accountable. They get benched, etc. That is the underlying factor among players and coaches. Not many have spoken out but I'm sure Sherman is not alone in thinking this. He's outspoken and wears his emotions on sleeve more than others may. And yes, all of this is my opinion. But from my view, Pete does treat coaches differently than he does players.

And it seems like supposition on your part to say he hasn't held his staff accountable. How do you know what goes on in meetings behind closed doors? Maybe that's why Sherm Smith isn't with us anymore. He apparently self-admitted he didn't have the energy for the grind anymore. Maybe that came after a heart-to-heart with Pete.

It's my opinion. Sherman Smith was fired. Cable still has a job. There's where I see a lack of holding coaches accountable. Cable has had the worst unit on the team since he's arrived. Instead of improving each year, it regresses. Yet he is still there.