I'm on a roll tonight - screen passes

[FidelisHawk]

Back to the original post, I my alcohol fuzzed brain seems to recall recall three, sort of, screens being called this past game. One was a center screen called back for lineman down field (timing problem), another was a well designed (I thought anyway) wide receiver screen with Mckissic going in motion (for no gain) and the other, granted, was more of a swing pass (to Mckissic), but it did gained about 10 yds.

The problem is it doesn’t matter if the OC calls enough screen passes, running plays, intermediate passes or a deep passes if the outcome is no gain, incompletion, interception, fumble or a holding call.

Once the Seahawks get behind the chains it become increasingly harder for them to utilize the few play makers they have.

The absence of any respect for a running game (and why should anyone respect their running game?) makes even passes behind, close to, or around the line of scrimmage more difficult to execute.

I will go back to what my eyes tell me. We don't disguise our playcalls enough and there is almost no rhythm to the playcalls. Bevell will wait too long to call a screen, then he will call them in bunches, then forget about them. If the run game starts out slow we abandon it completely. Too much zig when it should be zag.

That may be true, but without going back and logging every play he’s called for the last seven years (I’m going to do that imagine how long that post would be) it’s hard to say one way or the other.

It does seem odd though, his play calling worked effectively three, four, five years ago, but lately not at all. That simple fact would lead me to conclude there’s something (or things) else responsible for the recent decline.

Well, that's the main problem with our coaching staff. It's not that they don't have a good plan on how to do stuff but that they seemingly only have one plan and are unable or unwilling to adjust to new situations and players.
Plays just work better if everyone hasn't seen them five years in a row and stuff that used to work with a good run game doesn't work anymore without it.

I’m going out on a limb and say (without a shred of evidence) that Bevell’s playbook has as many, if not more, plays as any other OC in the NFL and opposing teams don’t know what is going to be run, they can only guess. Sometimes right, sometimes wrong.

While I’m out here, I’ll go farther and postulate that if Bill Walsh was our OC he couldn’t overcome continuing to work behind the chains because of errors made by linemen, wide receivers, tight ends, running backs and the quarterback, either individually, or in mass tandem.

So, while I can understand the sentiment behind firing the head coach, OC, OL coach, all the way down to the waterboy, I feel it’s too simplistic and a way overstated answer to a problem that’s much more complicated.

 

[hawknation2017]

Entering the Rams game, Russell Wilson had the #1 QB rating in the NFL on short passes (110.3).

So what does Bevell do against the Rams? Calls for a bunch of long-developing "go" routes. ukeface:

 

[Anthony!]

I will go back to what my eyes tell me. We don't disguise our playcalls enough and there is almost no rhythm to the playcalls. Bevell will wait too long to call a screen, then he will call them in bunches, then forget about them. If the run game starts out slow we abandon it completely. Too much zig when it should be zag.

That may be true, but without going back and logging every play he’s called for the last seven years (I’m going to do that imagine how long that post would be) it’s hard to say one way or the other.

It does seem odd though, his play calling worked effectively three, four, five years ago, but lately not at all. That simple fact would lead me to conclude there’s something (or things) else responsible for the recent decline.

Well, that's the main problem with our coaching staff. It's not that they don't have a good plan on how to do stuff but that they seemingly only have one plan and are unable or unwilling to adjust to new situations and players.
Plays just work better if everyone hasn't seen them five years in a row and stuff that used to work with a good run game doesn't work anymore without it.

I’m going out on a limb and say (without a shred of evidence) that Bevell’s playbook has as many, if not more, plays as any other OC in the NFL and opposing teams don’t know what is going to be run, they can only guess. Sometimes right, sometimes wrong.

While I’m out here, I’ll go farther and postulate that if Bill Walsh was our OC he couldn’t overcome continuing to work behind the chains because of errors made by linemen, wide receivers, tight ends, running backs and the quarterback, either individually, or in mass tandem.

So, while I can understand the sentiment behind firing the head coach, OC, OL coach, all the way down to the waterboy, I feel it’s too simplistic and a way overstated answer to a problem that’s much more complicated.

if you were on the limb you would have fallen off, the experts have quesitone his play design and calls for years. Not to say he does nto call a few good ones, but over all he does not, So yeah ah no, and its a total y cop out to basically blame everyone else for is obvious to anyone with eye sis his issue. Example sending everyone long on a 3rd and 3.

 

[FidelisHawk]

That may be true, but without going back and logging every play he’s called for the last seven years (I’m going to do that imagine how long that post would be) it’s hard to say one way or the other.

It does seem odd though, his play calling worked effectively three, four, five years ago, but lately not at all. That simple fact would lead me to conclude there’s something (or things) else responsible for the recent decline.

Well, that's the main problem with our coaching staff. It's not that they don't have a good plan on how to do stuff but that they seemingly only have one plan and are unable or unwilling to adjust to new situations and players.
Plays just work better if everyone hasn't seen them five years in a row and stuff that used to work with a good run game doesn't work anymore without it.

I’m going out on a limb and say (without a shred of evidence) that Bevell’s playbook has as many, if not more, plays as any other OC in the NFL and opposing teams don’t know what is going to be run, they can only guess. Sometimes right, sometimes wrong.

While I’m out here, I’ll go farther and postulate that if Bill Walsh was our OC he couldn’t overcome continuing to work behind the chains because of errors made by linemen, wide receivers, tight ends, running backs and the quarterback, either individually, or in mass tandem.

So, while I can understand the sentiment behind firing the head coach, OC, OL coach, all the way down to the waterboy, I feel it’s too simplistic and a way overstated answer to a problem that’s much more complicated.

if you were on the limb you would have fallen off, the experts have quesitone his play design and calls for years. Not to say he does nto call a few good ones, but over all he does not, So yeah ah no, and its a total y cop out to basically blame everyone else for is obvious to anyone with eye sis his issue. Example sending everyone long on a 3rd and 3.

Well, if you believe it’s really that simple I have no way to disprove it.

Even if I did have enough evidence, I doubt I’d be able to persuade you otherwise either.

My work here is done

 

[Steve2222]

Would like to see some screen passes to McKissic. Guy gets to his top speed in like 3 steps. Maybe I'm wrong, but when we actually do run them, good things seem to happen.

yes general good things do happen when we run them which is why our OC doesn't run them much

Or maybe our QB doesn’t read them that well.

Right. As we all know reading a screen pass is one of the hardest things for a QB to do :sarcasm_off:

 

[cymatica]

I will go back to what my eyes tell me. We don't disguise our playcalls enough and there is almost no rhythm to the playcalls. Bevell will wait too long to call a screen, then he will call them in bunches, then forget about them. If the run game starts out slow we abandon it completely. Too much zig when it should be zag.

That may be true, but without going back and logging every play he’s called for the last seven years (I’m going to do that imagine how long that post would be) it’s hard to say one way or the other.

It does seem odd though, his play calling worked effectively three, four, five years ago, but lately not at all. That simple fact would lead me to conclude there’s something (or things) else responsible for the recent decline.

Well, that's the main problem with our coaching staff. It's not that they don't have a good plan on how to do stuff but that they seemingly only have one plan and are unable or unwilling to adjust to new situations and players.
Plays just work better if everyone hasn't seen them five years in a row and stuff that used to work with a good run game doesn't work anymore without it.

I’m going out on a limb and say (without a shred of evidence) that Bevell’s playbook has as many, if not more, plays as any other OC in the NFL and opposing teams don’t know what is going to be run, they can only guess. Sometimes right, sometimes wrong.

While I’m out here, I’ll go farther and postulate that if Bill Walsh was our OC he couldn’t overcome continuing to work behind the chains because of errors made by linemen, wide receivers, tight ends, running backs and the quarterback, either individually, or in mass tandem.

So, while I can understand the sentiment behind firing the head coach, OC, OL coach, all the way down to the waterboy, I feel it’s too simplistic and a way overstated answer to a problem that’s much more complicated.

His playbook may be fine, his situational awareness is not. I remember Wilson saying they practice screens, its in the playbook, they just didn't get called(paraphrasing). That is the play caller. He may have great play designs, hell maybe even good gameplans..... The actual playcalling has no groove. Half a season before a hb screen on a team that needs it, and it only came after the coaches were asked about it. It really seemed like a giant collective brain fart on our coaches. That only gives oppossing defenses more reason to sell out on the pass rush.

 

[FidelisHawk]

That may be true, but without going back and logging every play he’s called for the last seven years (I’m going to do that imagine how long that post would be) it’s hard to say one way or the other.

It does seem odd though, his play calling worked effectively three, four, five years ago, but lately not at all. That simple fact would lead me to conclude there’s something (or things) else responsible for the recent decline.

Well, that's the main problem with our coaching staff. It's not that they don't have a good plan on how to do stuff but that they seemingly only have one plan and are unable or unwilling to adjust to new situations and players.
Plays just work better if everyone hasn't seen them five years in a row and stuff that used to work with a good run game doesn't work anymore without it.

I’m going out on a limb and say (without a shred of evidence) that Bevell’s playbook has as many, if not more, plays as any other OC in the NFL and opposing teams don’t know what is going to be run, they can only guess. Sometimes right, sometimes wrong.

While I’m out here, I’ll go farther and postulate that if Bill Walsh was our OC he couldn’t overcome continuing to work behind the chains because of errors made by linemen, wide receivers, tight ends, running backs and the quarterback, either individually, or in mass tandem.

So, while I can understand the sentiment behind firing the head coach, OC, OL coach, all the way down to the waterboy, I feel it’s too simplistic and a way overstated answer to a problem that’s much more complicated.

His playbook may be fine, his situational awareness is not. I remember Wilson saying they practice screens, its in the playbook, they just didn't get called(paraphrasing). That is the play caller. He may have great play designs, hell maybe even good gameplans..... The actual playcalling has no groove. Half a season before a hb screen on a team that needs it, and it only came after the coaches were asked about it. It really seemed like a giant collective brain fart on our coaches. That only gives oppossing defenses more reason to sell out on the pass rush.

Like said earlier, if you believe it’s really that simple I have no way to disprove it and I’ll never change your mind.

I only contend the problem runs deeper than a change at OC will fix. If you’re constantly working behind the chains, for whatever reason, your options become less and less every down. When you have down and distance in your favor, there are more plays, more advantages at your disposal.

The Seahawks seem to have had much more of the former, than the latter, for a lot of reasons not just one.