"If Michael Bennett wants to sit for anthem..."

[kidhawk]

Trump says 'about time' after NFL's Goodell calls on players to stand for anthem


President Trump said Wednesday it’s “about time” after NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell sent a letter to teams calling on players to "honor our flag" and stand for the national anthem.

“It is about time that Roger Goodell of the NFL is finally demanding that all players STAND for our great National Anthem – RESPECT OUR COUNTRY,” Trump tweeted early Wednesday.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10 ... nthem.html


Hosted on Fotki

Accept the letter doesn't change anything. It's merely a call for it to be discussed at the owner's meeting that was previously scheduled. This is just mere spin.

 

[xgeoff]

Amazing to me that with all the money and power that Roger Goodell has, he still gets treated like a little bitch by Trump and the NFL Owners. Incredible.

I'd rather be poor and stand on my own two feet than be rich and have to serve on my knees.

 

[xgeoff]

I don't often agree with Gee Scott, in fact almost never, but he said something today on 710 ESPN with John Clayton that is relatively obvious and illustrates what a complete idiot Clayton is.

Scott simply asserted that Kaepernick is being blackballed by the NFL, which is relatively obvious. You can debate whether it's right or wrong or whether it's because of team chemistry or whatever. All those discussions have merit. But with so many teams in this league desperate for QB's, It is simply absurd to me that anyone could deny that Kaepernick is out of work because of his social justice stance.

Speaking of Clayton, 'the Professor' says dumb shit every damn time I hear him. He may be good with spreadsheets, but he's just really not a bright guy. I think part of it is that I don't think he's ever played a sport of any kind, so he has a complete and utter disconnect with what it takes to compete athletically.

The other issue is just what appears to be a willful dissonance with reality. For example, he once said that one QB was better than another because the former was a 1st round draft choice. Utterly absurd.

 

[kidhawk]

Amazing to me that with all the money and power that Roger Goodell has, he still gets treated like a little bitch by Trump and the NFL Owners. Incredible.

I'd rather be poor and stand on my own two feet than be rich and have to serve on my knees.

I'm more amazed that people think that the Goodell letter has anything at all to do with Trump. This is about the bottom line (MONEY). The NFL is caught between a rock and a hard place. They want to support the players in this, but they are seeing a decline in viewers and thus a certain decline in revenues. Say what you will about what's important as a society but when it comes to business (and the NFL is a massive business), the bottom line is revenue. Trump has merely seized an opportunity to make it appear he's causing something when in fact, he's merely being a late arriving mouth piece who truly didn't change anything,with the possible exception of the actual dialogue got shifted away from the issue being protest to the protest themselves. Either way, this was going to happen. The NFL owners will meet and they will look at viewership numbers and revenue forecasts and make a decision one way or the other. I have a gut feeling their decision will allow for something for the players while ending the protests during the actual anthem itself. We shall see what happens when the owners meet on the 17/18 of this month. Bennett's (and others) protests may be forever altered after that. I would be surprised if the owners don't try to appease everyone as much as humanly possible.

 

[TestMo1337]

The idea that the NFL is losing money seems suspect. They could be but most of their money is already paid in advance (ticketing, merchandising, advertisement time, etc). The only way they would lose money through advertising is if they contractually guarantee that each game will get a minimum view share per commercial break. ESPN lost a ton of money due to the crappy BCS/Bowl games they were airing during New Years Eve (instead of New Years Day).

I know that through the pre-season the Seahawks were driving more fans to watch than last year. Michael Bennett had already sat in protest in the first game.

I tweeted at Aaron Levine to see if he knew the Seahawks' week-by-week TV ratings.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/sammyc521/status/918179897528369152[/tweet]

 

[TestMo1337]

Bob Condotta is saying it isn't affecting local Seahawks viewing.

After last weekend, overall TV ratings were down about 11 percent from 2015 with prime-time windows down even more (led by ESPN’s Monday night package of games showing a 17 percent dip and the Thursday night games 15 percent).

That hasn’t been the case when it comes to Seahawks’ games in Seattle, though.

Each of the first four games has had ratings and shares similar to a year ago — numbers that remain among the best in the NFL.

Pre-Season game had a higher TV rating than last year for the Seahawks too.

 

[kidhawk]

The idea that the NFL is losing money seems suspect. They could be but most of their money is already paid in advance (ticketing, merchandising, advertisement time, etc). The only way they would lose money through advertising is if they contractually guarantee that each game will get a minimum view share per commercial break. ESPN lost a ton of money due to the crappy BCS/Bowl games they were airing during New Years Eve (instead of New Years Day).

I know that through the pre-season the Seahawks were driving more fans to watch than last year. Michael Bennett had already sat in protest in the first game.

I tweeted at Aaron Levine to see if he knew the Seahawks' week-by-week TV ratings.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/sammyc521/status/918179897528369152[/tweet]

Business revenue, especially with a model such as the NFL is always future based. If viewership declines now, and/or advertising sees any sort of reduction, you will certainly see it reflected in lower expected contracts from the networks. The NFL expects to see these numbers continue climbing and flat or lowered deals are not something they want to deal with.

I don't see the NFL coming down hard on this issue, but I do think they will try to come to a resolution that works for the vast majority but won't appease those who are set one way r the other.

 

[WmHBonney]

People are being killed unnecessarily.

Nobody cares if you're comfortable, uncomfortable, offended, not offended, entertained or not entertained.

It doesn't matter what their player "rights" are; minorities didn't have the right to be free at one point in this country so I hope they continue to piss off those of us that have lived comfortable, privileged lives for way too long.

I am pretty sure that these players are living waayyy more comfortable lives than I am. As far as "privilege" goes, I guess it's a "privilege" for me to work my ass off every day so I can pay my bills and send my kids to school on my own dime all while the "oppressed" folks get to go to school for "free". ukeface: ukeface: ukeface:

 

[replicant]

The NFL/49ers could have avoided this whole mess had they punished Kaepernick the first time he took a knee last year. As it was, they were confused as to what to do and acted like they were condoning the protest. Goodell is now begging the players to stand but will not demand it.
This ambiguity will only lead to more strife between the NFL, players, and fans.

 

[JustTheTip]

Amazing to me that with all the money and power that Roger Goodell has, he still gets treated like a little bitch by Trump and the NFL Owners. Incredible.

I'd rather be poor and stand on my own two feet than be rich and have to serve on my knees.

I'm more amazed that people think that the Goodell letter has anything at all to do with Trump. This is about the bottom line (MONEY). The NFL is caught between a rock and a hard place. They want to support the players in this, but they are seeing a decline in viewers and thus a certain decline in revenues. Say what you will about what's important as a society but when it comes to business (and the NFL is a massive business), the bottom line is revenue. Trump has merely seized an opportunity to make it appear he's causing something when in fact, he's merely being a late arriving mouth piece who truly didn't change anything,with the possible exception of the actual dialogue got shifted away from the issue being protest to the protest themselves. Either way, this was going to happen. The NFL owners will meet and they will look at viewership numbers and revenue forecasts and make a decision one way or the other. I have a gut feeling their decision will allow for something for the players while ending the protests during the actual anthem itself. We shall see what happens when the owners meet on the 17/18 of this month. Bennett's (and others) protests may be forever altered after that. I would be surprised if the owners don't try to appease everyone as much as humanly possible.

I disagree with it being "a rock and a hard place". There are many ways the NFL could support their players in this while they are "off the clock". I believe many are like me in that we aren't put off by a difference in opinion (and for many who are put off by it there isn't even a difference of opinion), but rather having this injected into something that we view as an entertainment escape. Lump that on top of what Roger has already done to make the NFL less watchable (rule changes, poor officiating, ambiguous fine system, acceptance of cheating) and it is just becoming not worth it to watch. For a league that will fine players for wearing the wrong color shoes, it seems odd they allow political expression during the game experience.

 

[RolandDeschain]

I'd rather be poor and stand on my own two feet than be rich and have to serve on my knees.

Easy to say when you haven't had a taste of what millions per year in earnings gets you in your personal life.

Just sayin'.

 

[xgeoff]

I'd rather be poor and stand on my own two feet than be rich and have to serve on my knees.

Easy to say when you haven't had a taste of what millions per year in earnings gets you in your personal life.

Just sayin'.

Lol, fair enough Hopefully someday I'll have enough money to be able to relate.

 

[SmokinHawk]

Amazing to me that with all the money and power that Roger Goodell has, he still gets treated like a little bitch by Trump and the NFL Owners. Incredible.

I'd rather be poor and stand on my own two feet than be rich and have to serve on my knees.

I'm more amazed that people think that the Goodell letter has anything at all to do with Trump. This is about the bottom line (MONEY). The NFL is caught between a rock and a hard place. They want to support the players in this, but they are seeing a decline in viewers and thus a certain decline in revenues. Say what you will about what's important as a society but when it comes to business (and the NFL is a massive business), the bottom line is revenue. Trump has merely seized an opportunity to make it appear he's causing something when in fact, he's merely being a late arriving mouth piece who truly didn't change anything,with the possible exception of the actual dialogue got shifted away from the issue being protest to the protest themselves. Either way, this was going to happen. The NFL owners will meet and they will look at viewership numbers and revenue forecasts and make a decision one way or the other. I have a gut feeling their decision will allow for something for the players while ending the protests during the actual anthem itself. We shall see what happens when the owners meet on the 17/18 of this month. Bennett's (and others) protests may be forever altered after that. I would be surprised if the owners don't try to appease everyone as much as humanly possible.

The decline in viewership is a direct result of the NFL's political messaging as well as an overall decline in the on-field product, owed in large part to the changes in contact rules for camp, overaggressive penalty flagging, and significant rule changes. Trump's just helping them to the ground.

 

[RolandDeschain]

The decline in viewership is a direct result of the NFL's political messaging as well as an overall decline in the on-field product, owed in large part to the changes in contact rules for camp, overaggressive penalty flagging, and significant rule changes. Trump's just helping them to the ground.

What percentage would you assign to general live TV viewership declining in general? (A.K.A., anything not related to the NFL itself.)

 

[seahawkfreak]

I don't often agree with Gee Scott, in fact almost never, but he said something today on 710 ESPN with John Clayton that is relatively obvious and illustrates what a complete idiot Clayton is.

Scott simply asserted that Kaepernick is being blackballed by the NFL, which is relatively obvious. You can debate whether it's right or wrong or whether it's because of team chemistry or whatever. All those discussions have merit. But with so many teams in this league desperate for QB's, It is simply absurd to me that anyone could deny that Kaepernick is out of work because of his social justice stance.

Speaking of Clayton, 'the Professor' says dumb shit every damn time I hear him. He may be good with spreadsheets, but he's just really not a bright guy. I think part of it is that I don't think he's ever played a sport of any kind, so he has a complete and utter disconnect with what it takes to compete athletically.

The other issue is just what appears to be a willful dissonance with reality. For example, he once said that one QB was better than another because the former was a 1st round draft choice. Utterly absurd.

What exactly does" blackballed by the NFL" mean? Does that mean by the teams or by the NFL "suits" in the league offices? If it's by the suits that is a pretty big accusation and I'd be interested how that would be proven short of an FBI investigation. If it's by the teams/owners how many teams is/are needed for it to be called "blackballed by the NFL"? Not all teams needed and or could afford Kaepernick so do they count as being part of the conspiracy? What about the teams whose offense doesn't fit Kaepernick's QB style? Seattle worked him out, do we get off the list. SF didn't cut him, Colin opted out of his contract. Did SF "blackball him" or did he "blackball" them?

Apparently Baltimore was about to sign Kaepernick and then his girlfriend sent out something on social media that nixed the deal. Did Baltimore "blackball" him? Has anyone else in the NFL who has taken a knee been "blackballed"? Was Tim Tebow "blackballed"? If he was, no one cared. Are college players who have the talent to be drafted but are not because of behavioral, personality and or off the field issues being "blackballed"? If yes, will this practice be allowed to continue? What is the quota and or status quo to be officially "blackballed"?

According to Lewis, the Ravens were juuuuuust about to sign Kaepernick, but:

“Then, his girl goes out and put out this racist gesture and doesn’t know we are in the back office about to try to get this guy signed,” Lewis said. “Steve Bisciotti has said it himself, ‘How can you crucify Ray Lewis when Ray Lewis is the one calling for Colin Kaepernick?’ ”

The “racist gesture” Lewis is referring to is apparently this tweet from Diab, which uses a still from the movie “Django Unchained” to paint Bisciotti and Lewis as master and slave:https://twitter.com/nessnitty/status/892902143983792128

 

[Mindsink]

Kaepernick is blackballed by the NFL in the same way a registered sex offender doesn't get invited to the neighborhood BBQ.

 

[Rocket]

That neighborhood BBQ line is wondrous !!!!
Kudo's

 

[StoneCold]

That neighborhood BBQ line is wondrous !!!!
Kudo's

Can't agree. Comparing Kaep to a sex offender is way off the mark.

 

[kidhawk]

That neighborhood BBQ line is wondrous !!!!
Kudo's

Can't agree. Comparing Kaep to a sex offender is way off the mark.

I don't think anyone compared Kaep to a sex offender, that seemed like a comparison of actions, not people.

 

[StoneCold]

That neighborhood BBQ line is wondrous !!!!
Kudo's

Can't agree. Comparing Kaep to a sex offender is way off the mark.

I don't think anyone compared Kaep to a sex offender, that seemed like a comparison of actions, not people.

He is saying what Kaep did is as bad as a sex offender. Kaep broke no laws, sex offender has. He may not want either to come his BBQ, but they are not equivalent actions.