cboom":39qr57ri said:Even if they did I wouldn't have changed a thing. There wasn't anything that could completely confirm Sherm had control. And they did come out of the pile with the ball. So replay or not it would have been the exact same result.
cboom":khipif0l said:Even if they did it wouldn't have changed a thing. There wasn't anything that could completely confirm Sherm had control. And they did come out of the pile with the ball. So replay or not it would have been the exact same result.
ImTheScientist":tfygxy0t said:cboom":tfygxy0t said:Even if they did I wouldn't have changed a thing. There wasn't anything that could completely confirm Sherm had control. And they did come out of the pile with the ball. So replay or not it would have been the exact same result.
I agree. It also shouldn't have come down to that.
Cartire":2dml4aw5 said:Ive heard 2 others who dont think it matters say this. And yet I have heard zero official statement or seen zero angles at who gave the ball to the ref.
drrew":a2bh5a99 said:Cartire":a2bh5a99 said:Ive heard 2 others who dont think it matters say this. And yet I have heard zero official statement or seen zero angles at who gave the ball to the ref.
If you watch the video linked in the other thread from NFL.com, it appears that it is Harkey who somehow managed to get his hands back on the ball and is who handed it to the ref. It's right around the 45 second mark, the ref takes the ball, and then from that exact spot someone helps Harkey up.
drrew":15umti8f said:Cartire":15umti8f said:Ive heard 2 others who dont think it matters say this. And yet I have heard zero official statement or seen zero angles at who gave the ball to the ref.
If you watch the video linked in the other thread from NFL.com, it appears that it is Harkey who somehow managed to get his hands back on the ball and is who handed it to the ref. It's right around the 45 second mark, the ref takes the ball, and then from that exact spot someone helps Harkey up.
Cartire":2fxp4lp6 said:drrew":2fxp4lp6 said:Cartire":2fxp4lp6 said:Ive heard 2 others who dont think it matters say this. And yet I have heard zero official statement or seen zero angles at who gave the ball to the ref.
If you watch the video linked in the other thread from NFL.com, it appears that it is Harkey who somehow managed to get his hands back on the ball and is who handed it to the ref. It's right around the 45 second mark, the ref takes the ball, and then from that exact spot someone helps Harkey up.
I just rewatched the game twice. On gamerewind. So I dont need the nfl.com clips. Never saw any of what you just said.
dumbrabbit":2co97t3y said:I've looked hard at that picture. Where can you CLEARLY see a Rams player hand the ball to the ref?
drrew":2qdac2y2 said:dumbrabbit":2qdac2y2 said:I've looked hard at that picture. Where can you CLEARLY see a Rams player hand the ball to the ref?
the complete absence of any sort of positive reaction by a single Seahawk, I believe that the Rams somehow came out of that pile with the football.
chawx":198ap442 said:Yeah, you can clearly see in this red circle here, that a Rams guy, CLEARLY hands the ball to the ref... see, it's crystal clear, right there. Can we drop this now that we've seen 100% for sure that the ball was given to the official by a Rams player.
dumbrabbit":2sd7qjep said:drrew":2sd7qjep said:dumbrabbit":2sd7qjep said:I've looked hard at that picture. Where can you CLEARLY see a Rams player hand the ball to the ref?
the complete absence of any sort of positive reaction by a single Seahawk, I believe that the Rams somehow came out of that pile with the football.
I seem to recall that a a few Hawks players had pointed Seahawks had the ball. Care to explain why you didn't see that?
I give internet sarcasm lessons for $5. PM for details.jdblack":2eb8xeyp said:chawx":2eb8xeyp said:Yeah, you can clearly see in this red circle here, that a Rams guy, CLEARLY hands the ball to the ref... see, it's crystal clear, right there. Can we drop this now that we've seen 100% for sure that the ball was given to the official by a Rams player.
Whoever made that circle fails hard. It's not much better than if the circle enclosed the entire picture.
drrew":23l3hkbm said:dumbrabbit":23l3hkbm said:drrew":23l3hkbm said:dumbrabbit":23l3hkbm said:I've looked hard at that picture. Where can you CLEARLY see a Rams player hand the ball to the ref?
the complete absence of any sort of positive reaction by a single Seahawk, I believe that the Rams somehow came out of that pile with the football.
I seem to recall that a a few Hawks players had pointed Seahawks had the ball. Care to explain why you didn't see that?
Irvin pointed at the very beginning before the pile really started, Kevin Williams pointed a few seconds later but he wasn't in the pile, he was way off to the side, Mebane pointed and again was way off to the side. All of these happened several seconds before the ball came out of the pile.
The ball is retrieved by the official, and not one single Seahawk makes any sort of movement to indicate it is their ball. Bennett wanders over to where the ball is being spotted, and the rest of the team looks completely dejected as they stand around or lie around where the pile was.
Would you care to explain why you seem to think the Seahawks recovered the ball based on the video available and any other evidence?
It sucks, because if they do recover it, with how Wilson was playing, this team gets into FG range and we're celebrating a game winning field goal, but it just didn't work out.
Crabhawk":34t4mlam said:I give internet sarcasm lessons for $5. PM for details.jdblack":34t4mlam said:chawx":34t4mlam said:Yeah, you can clearly see in this red circle here, that a Rams guy, CLEARLY hands the ball to the ref... see, it's crystal clear, right there. Can we drop this now that we've seen 100% for sure that the ball was given to the official by a Rams player.
Whoever made that circle fails hard. It's not much better than if the circle enclosed the entire picture.
On a serious note, I believe people are upset based on the principal of lack of review. At a minimum, the fumble should have been reviewed. I can understand bad or missed calls during plays, when action is going full speed. There was no reason to not take two minutes to review that, regardless of what the result may have been.