I am done with Sidney Rice

[MontanaHawk05]

He was doubled up all day by the Colts secondary.

Did you get this from the All 22 ?

If Rice is doubled up all game, it should be opening up things for the other WRs, but it's not. Are they bums then ? The TE's should be getting open, but they're not. If none of them are getting open, they're running nickle and dime packages, and we should be running more, but we're not.

So is it the QB not seeing the 3rd option being open ?

Is it playcalling ?

Every other team in the NFL doesn't have a getting guys open when their 1st option is doubled. Look at the freakin Bears; the Saints doubled up Marshall all game and Jeffries got 10 catches for like 231 yards.

Someone with better resources for scouting tell me then, what's the disconnect ?

I think all of the above are a factor, yes. And you failed to mention a conservative QB who rarely throws except to wide-open receivers in single coverage. That's something we saw with T-Jack as well and it has me thinking that it's one of PC's mandates to his quarterbacks. Play it safe, don't make a lot of dangerous throws, and if there's nothing else available, run. Which is why he got a running QB.

We're 2nd to last in the league in passing attempts. 27 per game. That means that most traditional cost-to-benefit analyses of Rice's production need to be scaled accordingly, and I just don't see anyone taking it into account. Instead, all I'm seeing is the usual armchair popcorn-throwing over appearances from one play (the Butler pick).

However, one thing I learned from defending some of Ruskell's picks is that it's up to a player to silence critics. Rice is on track to fall short of his yardage and reception totals from this same team last year, so that's not good. I wonder what might happen when Harvin gets on the field.

 

[Missing_Clink]

He was doubled up all day by the Colts secondary.

Did you get this from the All 22 ?

If Rice is doubled up all game, it should be opening up things for the other WRs, but it's not. Are they bums then ? The TE's should be getting open, but they're not. If none of them are getting open, they're running nickle and dime packages, and we should be running more, but we're not.

So is it the QB not seeing the 3rd option being open ?

Is it playcalling ?

Every other team in the NFL doesn't have a getting guys open when their 1st option is doubled. Look at the freakin Bears; the Saints doubled up Marshall all game and Jeffries got 10 catches for like 231 yards.

Someone with better resources for scouting tell me then, what's the disconnect ?

I think all of the above are a factor, yes. And you failed to mention a conservative QB who rarely throws except to wide-open receivers in single coverage. That's something we saw with T-Jack as well and it has me thinking that it's one of PC's mandates to his quarterbacks. Play it safe, don't make a lot of dangerous throws, and if there's nothing else available, run. Which is why he got a running QB.

We're 2nd to last in the league in passing attempts. 27 per game. That means that most traditional cost-to-benefit analyses of Rice's production need to be scaled accordingly, and I just don't see anyone taking it into account. Instead, all I'm seeing is the usual armchair popcorn-throwing over appearances from one play (the Butler pick).

However, one thing I learned from defending some of Ruskell's picks is that it's up to a player to silence critics. Rice is on track to fall short of his yardage and reception totals from this same team last year, so that's not good. I wonder what might happen when Harvin gets on the field.

So is 10 catches in 5 games (with 5 coming against Jacksonville, the worst team in the NFL) an adequate amount of production for a WR making over $8 mil this year considering we are averaging 27 passing attempts per game?

Although this thread was certainly motivated in part by Rice's garbage effort on the final play yesterday, it hasn't been hard to see that he has done nothing all season outside of 1 good game against the league's worst team. He is not playing well right now for whatever reason, and his bloated salary magnifies the problem, as does his giving no effort on the final chance we had to win yesterday.

You can be a Rice apologist if you want and call me a popcorn thrower, but so far, the most meaningful contribution that anyone has pointed out that Rice has made this year is taking coverage away from other WRs. Sorry but I can't get too excited about a low-effort $8+ mil decoy.

 

[THUGCAPS]

I agree Kearse is playing better than Rice look at the play yesterday against the same DBs. However I believe the reason PC is reluctant to to do so speed. Rice maybe faster still than both Kearse and Tate. They maybe using him to try and clear underneath for Baldwin and Tate until we get Harvin back

Assuming it is the case , I still would cut playing time for Rice. Kearse is producing better against the same competition and deserves it.

There is no way Rice is faster than Kearse

 

[Jville]

I agree Kearse is playing better than Rice look at the play yesterday against the same DBs. However I believe the reason PC is reluctant to to do so speed. Rice maybe faster still than both Kearse and Tate. They maybe using him to try and clear underneath for Baldwin and Tate until we get Harvin back

Assuming it is the case , I still would cut playing time for Rice. Kearse is producing better against the same competition and deserves it.

Playing time is already changing.

Thru the first 4 weeks ..... Sidney Rice participation has slipped to 59% of offensive snaps from 75% in 2012.

Kearse's snap participation has increased 4 fold over last year.

Doug Baldwin's participation has increased by 1/3 more snaps and matches Rice at 59% participation for 2013.

Golden Tate is tops with 64% participation thru the first 4 games.

It will be interesting to see what affect Stephen William's departure has on participation counts. Kearse could benefit as well as possibly Luke Willson.

Week 5 snap counts should be made available tomorrow.

 

[IcedHawk]

Wait until we get Harvin, I think Sydney will get more open looks after defenses have to focus on Harvin.

 

[seahawkfreak]

I thought Rice was supposed to be a #1 slash play-making receiver when we signed him. I remember that incredible year he had with Favre on the Vikings and I thought that's what we were signing. You can say what you want about the Favre , Wilson comparison ( I believe Bevell was the OC on the Vikings that year) but I didn't expect a "possession" receiver with some big plays. When is the last time he had over a 1000 yards receiving? 2009 with Favre, he had 13+.

I like Rice, I like him on our team but not for 8 million a year.

 

[Blitzer88]

I like Sidney as well, but he needs to step his game up a bit.

 

[Tical21]

I don't think we use Sidney the right way. He can't run routes, he can't get open. Just throw it up to the guy every now and again and let him try to make a play for you. The problem with that is that teams know that is what his strength is. Take that away from him, and he's pretty much worthless.

 

[AndyOswald10]

Sidney Rice is a traditional run straight down the field deep threat. With the Offensive line in shambles right now, Russell doesn't have the time in the pocket to let Sid get down field. When asked to beat a guy on precision route, we've seen the result. Tate, Baldwin and Harvin are all good on the short routes and make plays after the catch. Sidney's game is down the field stuff. Right now he just doesn't fit in to the offensive plan. Unger is coming back and Okung eventually will get back, when the Oline can protect Russell long enough to throw a deep pass then Sidney will become effective again. Until then, expect a lot of the same.

 

[dontbelikethat]

Just a little weird to me that every time Wilson throws a jump ball, it's always to Tate and barely to almost never Rice. The trust factor is probably there, but to me it just would seem a bit more logical to throw a bomb to Rice due to his size instead of always Tate. Maybe it's just me though.

 

[RolandDeschain]

What do you know, this random list of most overpaid NFL players has Sidney Rice at #4, lol.

http://likes.com/sports/the-most-overpa ... InQuY28ifQ

 

[MANUNITED23]

I may write a piece of him.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Playing time is already changing.

Thru the first 4 weeks ..... Sidney Rice participation has slipped to 59% of offensive snaps from 75% in 2012.

Kearse's snap participation has increased 4 fold over last year.

Doug Baldwin's participation has increased by 1/3 more snaps and matches Rice at 59% participation for 2013.

Golden Tate is tops with 64% participation thru the first 4 games.

It will be interesting to see what affect Stephen William's departure has on participation counts. Kearse could benefit as well as possibly Luke Willson.

Week 5 snap counts should be made available tomorrow.

Rice and Baldwin still tied, now up to 64% on the year. Tate up to 71%.

That's not too damning of Rice yet, because being a #1 receiver doesn't automatically push you into the 90's or anything. Roddy White only gets 71% of his team's snaps. Wes Welker gets 74%. Jordy Nelson, James Jones, and Randall Cobb are all up in the 90s, but that's because Green Bay forgot sometime back in 2009 that it's legally allowed to run the ball. Bryan Hartline, Brandon LaFell, and Julius Edelman all get higher % snaps than Rice, while Earl Bennett gets less. It's a reflection of both a team's philosophy and of their depth.

 

[Seeker]

the thread is an over-reaction but there is 0 question that he completely gave up on that last play.

This .

 

[MontanaHawk05]

From Pete's Wednesday presser:

Carroll also wants to see wide receiver Sidney Rice get more involved, noting his lack of targets over fellow wideouts Golden Tate and Doug Baldwin last week against the Colts was not by design. "We're better when he's getting the football," Carroll said of last year's leading receiver.

http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/a ... 0c34e69d02

Makes me think it's on Wilson.

A single play vs Indy (the final one) has completely destroyed people's goodwill for Rice in much the same way it did for Robert Gallery despite his solid work, so I guess the next accusation will be "Wilson and Rice have trust issues". I wouldn't buy that for a moment. It doesn't matter that Jacksonville is the worst team in the league - they had Rice doubled up in the end zone on both of his TD's and it didn't matter. When I saw Rice break on the second pass just as Wilson was throwing it, one word jumped to my mind: "chemistry".

My official stance right now is that Wilson still has a lot of growing up to do as a QB. I also don't doubt that he'll eventually do that growing up.

 

[12th_Bob]

That's what I'm saying, I want to see Rice in the Slot for a change and getting some targets underneath.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

When he gets a TD on Sunday, a lot of the same ppl will be on his side. Funny how that works.
Do your thing Sidney!

 

[hawker84]

Well of course, if you produce you're appreciated more. I don't think a lot of what is being read here is saying Sidney sucks, rather that he's not producing to his potential. I personally like Rice and know he's a solid reciever, but if his back up is producing better, then Kearse deserves more opportunities. If Rice has a problem with that, step it up or hit the bricks...Nothing personal it's about the team not the individual.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I hear ya, I just think he's a lot better than ppl are giving him credit for. But I'm a huge fan, so my opinion is a little different.

 

[captSE]

Geezus H criste........