How Bout Dart?

[Chukarhawk]

do we do a package deal and take Kiffin as the OC?

 

[toffee]

Extend Howell at vetmin, draft Dart. Howell the young QB/QBOTF, Dart younger QB/QBOTF. The front office could full time promote hope, and guy on dot net love hope. Saving from cutting Lockett Fant and Geno can buy the best OL to protect our two QBOTF.

 

[Chukarhawk]

Dart looking like dogshit at the senior bowl.

Jaxson Dart, QB, Ole Miss: 6'1" - 226 Pounds - 9 1/2" Hands - 80" Wing​

Dart came in with a lot of draft hype and conversations about his rising stock, but after today, they should slow down. Personally, I never believed or saw the hype in Dart from his game film, particularly today. He lacked NFL-caliber processing and ball placement today, and it showed on his college film.

This article was originally published on fansided.com as Senior Bowl Day 1 Winners and Losers: Jaxson Dart hype gets cold water.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

 

[Rat]

Dart looking like dogshit at the senior bowl.

Jaxson Dart, QB, Ole Miss: 6'1" - 226 Pounds - 9 1/2" Hands - 80" Wing​

Dart came in with a lot of draft hype and conversations about his rising stock, but after today, they should slow down. Personally, I never believed or saw the hype in Dart from his game film, particularly today. He lacked NFL-caliber processing and ball placement today, and it showed on his college film.

This article was originally published on fansided.com as Senior Bowl Day 1 Winners and Losers: Jaxson Dart hype gets cold water.

I thought he had some intrigue when he was considered a late-rounder, but his hype has gotten way out of control lately and anyone using a first or second round pick is setting themselves up badly for failure. Honestly, I think a big part of the hype among NFL fans surrounding Jaxson Dart is that his name is Jaxson Dart. If his name was Bill Smith, nobody would be talking about him. He has like 2-3 games per season where he lights up some trash team and I think those stick in people's minds too. If you look at his full body of work, it's crazy how disproportionate of an amount his stats are against the worst teams he faces, or in non-playoff bowl games which are basically just glorified exhibitions now. He continually comes up short against even decent competition when the games matter most and displays nothing resembling NFL decision making. He's basically asked to do no pre-snap processing whatsoever at Ole Miss.

Just yesterday, someone on here said he'd take Dart over Shadeur, which is absolute insanity. There's not enough jet fuel in the world to travel the gap between those two mentally.

 

[toffee]

Jaxson Dart Ole Miss QB...declared today...with our oline...he can run and pass!

Hey a fellow Rebel, that's plenty to love for ole toffee. But some said that he ain't got strong arms, true? That being said, Joe Montana went in 3rd round for not having strong arms. And Joe said high school QBs can throw 50 yards down the field, he questioned the relevancy of cannon arms.

 

[GemCity]

Not interested.

 

[Ozzy]

I don't know why you all want a rookie QB to be set up for failure, no line and you get David Carr, fix the line, establish a running threat and you don't need to roll dice, reach or hope for a draft position. You can pick up a guy that hasn't been broken yet from another team, yes you may not get a rookie contract, but you get a guy that has been given time to acclimate to the NFL and cut his teeth some. Hass, Geno being two examples here that have worked out. Since they are not starters for their teams you will get a chance to give them that chance on a deal that is team friendly and control the payout based on performance.

I'm not sure why its a foregone conclusion a rookie would fail miserably. We had 6 guys play well this year including some horrible situations from the previous year. I don't think the line is that far off from being fine with an interior piece or two. The tackles if healthy are good and we have a new OC.

Ideally I'd rather have a guy sit a year but if they decide to go that route rookies seem to be doing pretty well as of late.

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

I think you could stomach Dart at 50. At his current hype pre-combine he'll be gone before the end of the 2nd Round for sure, maybe Top 40 honestly. The talent this year at QB is pedestrian, even Ward and Sanders are just okay as they're too sporadic for my tastes but drafts have a way of inflating the stock of QBs.

In a perfect world we could get Dart at 82 and use 18 and 50 on OL and DL/Edge respectively. I still think the team goes that route and get either McCord, Howard, Leonard, Ewers, Brosmer, and Henigan between rounds 4-7.

Ewers was considered a fringe 1st Round, solid 2nd round pick last year but went back to improve his stock. That didn't go as plan as he went from surefire Top 5 pick to now a 3rd Round Project given his injury history. I think you could take him at 82 and let him sit behind a vet for a season, let his body heal further for a year on the bench and I think he could perform.

The others are for sure late round projects. I like Henigan, but his one major fault physically at least as dude has small hands. Like, my toddler and him share glove sizes. 9 inches appears to be the cut off and 9.5 the average, and my man got like 8.875 inch hands.

 

[IndyHawk]

Hey a fellow Rebel, that's plenty to love for ole toffee. But some said that he ain't got strong arms, true? That being said, Joe Montana went in 3rd round for not having strong arms. And Joe said high school QBs can throw 50 yards down the field, he questioned the relevancy of cannon arms.

Joe Montana had a high processor, very mobile around pocket and threw
precise passes..
I don't think you'll ever see the likes of him again.

 

[Chukarhawk]

I'd rather take Riley Leonard.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

From what I'm hearing Jaxson Dart will go in the 1st now and it may be to the Seahawks. And I would be ok with that

 

[Chukarhawk]

From what I'm hearing Jaxson Dart will go in the 1st now and it may be to the Seahawks. And I would be ok with that

that would be a massive reach and stupid move. Highly unlikely JS makes that decision.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

that would be a massive reach and stupid move. Highly unlikely JS makes that decision.

Why is it a reach? Because, he's not rated that high by people who are wrong extremely often? Gm's don't care if anyone says it's a reach if they are rated that highly on their board. Nor should they

 

[Chukarhawk]

Why is it a reach? Because, he's not rated that high by people who are wrong extremely often? Gm's don't care if anyone says it's a reach if they are rated that highly on their board. Nor should they

because he's not very good?

 

[GetNjigbaWithIt]

I would not take a Lane Kiffin QB in the first.

 

[Rat]

Why is it a reach? Because, he's not rated that high by people who are wrong extremely often? Gm's don't care if anyone says it's a reach if they are rated that highly on their board. Nor should they

GMs are wrong extremely often too.

Is your opinion that he'll go in the first and that Seattle is very likely to consider him based on a something a GM told you?

 

[Wsumatt1982]

GMs are wrong extremely often too.

Is your opinion that he'll go in the first and that Seattle is very likely to consider him based on a something a GM told you?

Not at all. I'm just basing it off of articles I've read of people who watched him at the Senior Bowl practices. And podcasters I trust who are very knowledgeable and work for the Seahawks or at least have very close relationships within the organization that he is quickly rising up boards. It's a QB, they all go higher than they are "mocked." It's just a premium position. I'm just saying if JS feels very strongly about him, has him rated highly and doesn't think he will last until their next pick at 50 then it could be well within reason he could be our pick. That's true about any team. All it takes is one organization to fall in love with someone to take that shot. We have a need there, it could be us. Not saying it will, but it could.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

MSN

Todd McShay even says there are NFL scouts that rate him as the 2nd best QB in the class. I know the thoughts on the class aren't great but if Sanders and Ward may go top 10 it's highly conceivable Dart can too. Again, it just takes one organization to pull that trigger. Just keep it open as a possibility JS might fall in that same category.

 

[Rat]

It's a QB, they all go higher than they are "mocked." It's just a premium position.

This gets way overstated. I remember hearing the same stuff being said about Spencer Rattler last year that's being said about Dart, and a lot of people here thought he'd go in the second round and perhaps even the late first. He went in the fifth round. We heard the same about Malik Willis, Desmond Ridder, Matt Corral. Sam Howell was supposed to be a second rounder, with thoughts that some team could reach surprisingly early because of the position. Remember when Will Levis was a top 10 pick?

It's been a while since we've had a real EJ Manuel type reach where someone takes a certain QB early and way the heck higher than they were expected to go. Even Penix last year, going to Atlanta at #8 was a surprise, but by the time the draft came around, he was routinely being mocked to the Raiders at #11, and there were rumors about teams being interested in moving up into the top 10. After the top tier of QBs go off the board, you don't see teams panicking and grabbing the guys in the next tier the way you used to see it.