hiring a college OC may have been a mistake...

[Appyhawk]

If it turns out Geno is having another bad day tomorrow I would like to see Howell get PT. He needs it and has experience behind a deficient O Line. I'd like to see if he has learned anything since then.

 

[DarkVictory23]

If it turns out Geno is having another bad day tomorrow I would like to see Howell get PT. He needs it and has experience behind a deficient O Line. I'd like to see if he has learned anything since then.

While I personally disagree with this premise (no, he doesn't need PT and no, I don't want the Seahawks to be in 'let's find out what we're doing next year' mode already), I think it's important to recognize that Howell actually doesn't have experience behind a deficient O-Line.

The Commanders O-Line last year was top 5 by ESPN Blocking Win Rate metrics and top half of the league in time to pressure. They were also top half in the league in stuff rate on run plays.

Howell has experience taking a lot of sacks, sure, but that's not because his offensive line was bad. They were in a different stratosphere than the line we've been playing with for the last season and a half. (Washington's line is good this year, too, but only 2 of the starters from last year remain).

 

[DarkVictory23]

The Seattle Overload guys did an episode yesterday specifically about the offense and highlighted a lot of the points that have been made in this thread about Grubb's tendencies. I think their podcasts are a little too winding/unfocused for me to always sit through but this one talks about a lot of what we are discussing here.

A couple of big points that they highlight for anyone who doesn't want to actually watch:

1) Our neutral situation run rate has actually gone up quite a bit, which I kind of saw (was pretty obvious in the Falcons game) but it's more than I realized. If we are just looking at the last 4 games, we're pretty much league average now (vs. being WILDLY pass heavy before), so Grubb is showing he can adapt.

2) They really do hammer on our super predictable pocket and talk about how we could unlock so much more if we just increased our under center rate and our play action rate, we could be unlocking so much of what Grubb wants to do in a more NFL ready format and supporting our line better.

 

[TwistedHusky]

When your OL is struggling and you need time for your passing game, you put the QB in shotgun like we have. Especially with substandard OLs.
Geno taking a 3 step or worse, 5 step drop, from center is a recipe for immediate penetration and a sack - or worse.

We run most plays from shotgun because running them from under center would be stupid. (Given our OL roster and their ability to protect, and even to run block).

 

[IndyHawk]

When your OL is struggling and you need time for your passing game, you put the QB in shotgun like we have. Especially with substandard OLs.
Geno taking a 3 step or worse, 5 step drop, from center is a recipe for immediate penetration and a sack - or worse.

We run most plays from shotgun because running them from under center would be stupid. (Given our OL roster and their ability to protect, and even to run block).

The downside of shotgun is that you cannot run much out of it unless
you have a RB for QB which Geno is not.
How do we get the running game going? You have to use UC a lot more.

 

[Bosnianseahawk1991]

I honestly think Grubb has done a good job . We move the ball consistently and this offense looks a lot better then the predictable Pete Carroll offense. JSN looks like the best #2 wide receiver in the whole NFL.

The scary thing is he is only getting better every week. I feel like since Dk has been out defenses have focused on stacking the box and shutting our running game down.

Dks injures has been a blessing I’m disguise because JSN gets separation and is open 80% of the time. Geno now has 100% trust in him and won’t second guess throwing him the ball at least 10 times during the game.

Dk coming back and JSNs trajectory to a legit star receiver makes this offense legit AF. We still have a whole half of the NFL season left.

If the defense played like they did against the rams and we are getting our pass rushers back. I honestly think we can run the table and win the division . Dk is the X factor and opens up the entire offense .

Everything changes when we go to San Fran and beat them this Sunday. Call me crazy but I see so much untapped potential with this team. On offense and defense.

Bump this thread because I literally called what would happen. Lol. The defense played similar like they did in the rams game. Our best pass rusher (IMO} Uchenna Nwosu is coming back.

Geno now fully trust JSN. If he just gives them a
opportunity with the ball in there hands I like our odds. Dk the deep threat opens up the middle/slot for JSN and Tyler Lockett.

We got the 49er monkey off our back;I see no reason while we can’t run the table. Geno is surprisingly fast, he’s got amazing straight line speed. Would like to see Grubb run some more Qb run option/ when we’re I’m the redzome.

 

[BlueTalon]

We got the 49er monkey off our back;I see no reason while we can’t run the table.

That's very optimistic, but I'm here for it.

 

[Bosnianseahawk1991]

That's very optimistic, but I'm here for it.

Looking at our schedule the 49er game on the road was the hardest remaining one. I’m sure the teams swagger and confidence is through the roof.

49ers blew us out in most of those games during the past 3 years .

If the defense keeps playing like they have these past 2 weeks . (Which I see no reason why not.j
And MR.grubb keeps dialing it up for JSN and Dk/ Geno has some designed runs.

We look like a top 10 defense and top 10 offense.
Yea the 49ers aren’t the same Super Bowl team but they have damn near same squad.

Hawks finally beat a true contender pretty much fully healthy! I am pumped.

 

[Rat]

Howell has experience taking a lot of sacks, sure, but that's not because his offensive line was bad. They were in a different stratosphere than the line we've been playing with for the last season and a half. (Washington's line is good this year, too, but only 2 of the starters from last year remain).

Commanders fans put a lot of blame on their OC for that. Their system did make Howell vulnerable to a lot of hits, although he does need to work on getting the ball out quicker. Certainly was not a good situation for him.

Hopefully he learned a bit from it and can competently hold the reins if he's called into action.

 

[Rat]

Looking at our schedule the 49er game on the road was the hardest remaining one.

Are the rest of our games on the road then?

 

[keasley45]

The Seattle Overload guys did an episode yesterday specifically about the offense and highlighted a lot of the points that have been made in this thread about Grubb's tendencies. I think their podcasts are a little too winding/unfocused for me to always sit through but this one talks about a lot of what we are discussing here.

A couple of big points that they highlight for anyone who doesn't want to actually watch:

1) Our neutral situation run rate has actually gone up quite a bit, which I kind of saw (was pretty obvious in the Falcons game) but it's more than I realized. If we are just looking at the last 4 games, we're pretty much league average now (vs. being WILDLY pass heavy before), so Grubb is showing he can adapt.

2) They really do hammer on our super predictable pocket and talk about how we could unlock so much more if we just increased our under center rate and our play action rate, we could be unlocking so much of what Grubb wants to do in a more NFL ready format and supporting our line better.

Been saying it since week 4.

As explosive as we can be, we are also plain vanilla in some aspects and elementary in others. Thats Grubb.

And just like Waldron before, it will ultimately occur that defenses figure out our gameplan and the offense slowly regresses.

We have all the tools to be effective at every skill position . We just dont have a diverse enough plan to make it all go. INCLUDING the offensive line.

We insist on hanging out in shotgun and running everything from there. Its stubbornness.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Commanders fans put a lot of blame on their OC for that. Their system did make Howell vulnerable to a lot of hits, although he does need to work on getting the ball out quicker. Certainly was not a good situation for him.

Hopefully he learned a bit from it and can competently hold the reins if he's called into action.

This is great context. The stats are jarring so its good to get some of the perceived reasoning behind him taking such an inordinate amount of sacks.

 

[Natethegreat]

Been saying it since week 4.

As explosive as we can be, we are also plain vanilla in some aspects and elementary in others. Thats Grubb.

And just like Waldron before, it will ultimately occur that defenses figure out our gameplan and the offense slowly regresses.

We have all the tools to be effective at every skill position . We just dont have a diverse enough plan to make it all go. INCLUDING the offensive line.

We insist on hanging out in shotgun and running everything from there. Its stubbornness.

I've said it before but it is highly likely that Geno likes and wants to be in shotgun. O coordinators run what their QB's like and are comfortable with.
Simply blaming Grub for their shotgun heavy approach is silly.
If Geno wanted to be under center I'm quite confident he would be under center much more.
Geno likes looking over the defense from back their and dissecting what he wants to do.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He probably does like the shotgun. Then again, it doesn't mean it's the right thing for this offense behind this o-line.

 

[Natethegreat]

He probably does like the shotgun. Then again, it doesn't mean it's the right thing for this offense behind this o-line.

I'm pointing it out because Mael and keasly 2 ardent Geno supporters love to rip on Grub for our shotgun approach when it is very very likely that that approach is something that Geno prefers and wants.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I'm doing my best to rarely talk about the Geno thing. It got me in trouble once already

It's not so much the Shotgun that bothers me, it's WHEN they do it. Short yardage, get under fricken center.

 

[Chukarhawk]

Geno was under center a lot more during the 9er game. They still aren't running the entire Grubb offense yet.

 

[Natethegreat]

Geno was under center a lot more during the 9er game. They still aren't running the entire Grubb offense yet.

To be clear I'm all for more under center plays. I do think it's difficult to switch under center for short yardage when you are running and practicing shotgun for the most part.
We have seen it too with Geno getting tripped up and fumbled snaps from under center.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Still way too early to give up on Grubb. And not just because I'm a UW fan.

 

[Rat]

Saw this chart the other day. There's a player on there who REALLY stands out as someone who hasn't been getting help that should be.