Flyingsquad23
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That would eliminate half of their posts
Has anyone seen this?
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MORGULON
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I really feel bad for making fun of Bieber . He paid the ultimate price
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The undeniably mysterious case of DK Metcalf
Is the Seahawks receiver elite or not?
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...pretty harsh analysis...but all true.
Again, no one hates DK, but he's hard to love. Most players can be judged by their play. Is a WR a good WR? With DK, there's the penalties, fumbles and attitude that distracts and detracts from his play. Nothing is happening during the season so this will play out over the next few months. I can't expect he'll have a lot more games similar to Thursday... hopefully.
SoulfishHawk
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No one hates, DK? um.............ok
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DK is 6th for two reasons. One, Grubb's pass happy offense. I believe we lead the league in pass attempts. And that's not a criticism of Grubb necessarily. When the OL can't run block, what other choice do you have?
Secondly, it's a byproduct of Geno consistently forcing the ball to him, even when he's not open, which is most of the time because DK rarely gets separation except for the occasional go route.
And that goes back to my original argument. DK should not be getting all those targets because he's not open, while Tyler or JSN or Bobo many times are. I believe it's an attempt to keep DK somewhat under control. We've all seen what happens when he loses his cool, which is FAR too often for my taste.
SoulfishHawk
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When you're playing from behind all game (see Niners and Detroit) you're gonna' throw the ball all over the yard.
Maelstrom787
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The forcing isn't as frequent of an occurrence as is being stated. Just by the numbers alone.
JSN is also consistently rated as one of the least open receivers in the league. PFF and ESPN charting have agreed on this.
Maelstrom787
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They're ridiculously pass heavy in neutral situations, though.
Plenty of teams are playing from behind regularly. None even come close to favoring the pass as heavily as Seattle.
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I'm pretty sure DK is worth more than Adams.
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But all I read here is that DK… fumbles too much, can’t high point, runs lazy routes, isn’t physical enough, takes too many penalties and is a “head case”. How does all that translate to being worth more than Adams?
The twisted logic doesn’t seem to jibe. He is no good for us but give us a first rounder…
SoulfishHawk
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Or you just want to argue with any point I ever make. And I'm good with it. It's kind of our Jam, I guess.
SoulfishHawk
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Are you happy with 6 TDs and 6 Picks, with a 62 QBR? And they fact that he just seemingly can't beat the Niners or Rams?
Maybe how good Geno really is could be part of the issue.
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I believe that the TD/INT ratio is artificially worsened by team factors, mostly the lack of balance in the offense. Geno has been largely effective at moving the ball downfield, however, which has set up our top-5 mark in rushing touchdowns.
However, I must point out: 62 QBR is actually quite good. QBR is a stat that only goes to 100 and tries to grade overall QB play including situational play. 62 is an above average number in QBR, if sustained for full season it would've been 10th in the league last year behind Jordan Love at 62.1.
SoulfishHawk
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Hopefully he steps it up big time on Sunday.
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Six seasons. 6000 yards. On pace to be top 10 all time.
keasley45
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I wonder if the 9ers fans were throwing shade at Purdy for going into last weeks game with 5 tds and 4 picks was it?
Context is important. If you are passing from behind one of the worst lines in the league and AGAIN have no running game, it's not gonna be easy.
Geno has thrown 3 legit ints. 3 more were either tipped or as Mike put it, 'team failures' - his way of acknowledging that wrs and failures elsewhere were as much to blame as Geno. So unless Mike also thinks Geno walks on water and is beyond reproach, there's legitimacy to the argument that the numbers don't tell the whole story.
Just as they don't for TDs taken off the board for lazy play by a wr or idiotic procedural penalties by teammates.
The throw to JSN that was picked. BAD
The similar overthrow against thr Giants. BAD
The int to close the Detroit game? Not great by any means.
Context.
SoulfishHawk
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I'd much rather have Purdy. Maybe that's just me.
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Totally. A QB with 6 TDs and 6 ints should be kicked off the team immediately.
I wonder how long Mahomes will last on the waiver wire when KC releases him? Or maybe there are other factors that have affected both of their performances.
SoulfishHawk
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Yeah, Geno Smith is clearly on par with one of the best QB's of all time. Got it.
All Mahomes does is win, over and and over and over again. Geno isn't in the same stratosphere as Mahomes. Dear God.........
All Mahomes does is win, over and and over and over again. Geno isn't in the same stratosphere as Mahomes. Dear God.........
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Not sure if this has been posted or not, but Mike Salk makes a good case for trading Metcalf:
Currently, DK is in the second season of a three-year extension worth an average of $24 million per year. That puts him 13th in the league at the position, but each of the 12 players above him have signed deals that last until after DK’s is up. That puts him in line for a payday that could add $6-10 million a year to his current number and make him the highest paid player on the team.
No thanks.
Remember that during that time, the Seahawks will need to make a decision on (and likely sign) Charles Cross to a long-term deal that should add $15-20 million a year to his current contract, plus expected conversations with Boye Mafe, Kenneth Walker Jr., Riq Woolen and others. Yes, they’ll find other ways to clear space (Tyler Lockett, Uchenna Nwosu and others may be looking at restructures or outright releases), but they have plenty of good uses for that money.
Three reasons to consider a DK Metcalf trade
• 1. He plays a position which is worth more to other teams.
DK is a really good player who plays a position that many of the teams in the NFL value quite highly. Macdonald says he is looking to build a team built on physicality, but that team doesn’t have particularly physical players on his offensive line. Why not let a team that is committed to a more finesse style pay for DK’s services and take advantage of their need by acquiring a draft haul that you can turn around and use to bring in the types of players you want?
By all accounts, the Seahawks currently have one of the best groups of skill position players in the league, and it doesn’t seem to be leading to a tremendous offensive output because they don’t have the horses up front. Why would you want to commit more resources to the skill positions?
At their core, receivers play a dependent position. They need the offensive line to block long enough and the quarterback to see them and throw to them in order to contribute on most plays. That would make them third in line (on offense) to get paid on my team.
• 2. He plays a position of plenty.
There are lots of good receivers in the NFL and plenty more on the way in college. Every year seems to bring a new batch of them. The game is flooded with fast, athletic receivers that can run crisp routes, have good hands, and can run away from defenders. They aren’t all as big or strong as DK, but they may have other skills and talents equally as valuable.
By contrast, there aren’t a lot of dominant offensive linemen. The world just simply doesn’t produce as many people giant enough to play that position at the top level with the kind of athleticism and nastiness that makes them great. Every year we hear executives and coaches complain that the college game isn’t feeding them enough linemen to capably open up running lanes and protect passers.
I’d rather spend my precious resources on acquiring the scarce talent rather than the plentiful one.
• 3. DK is really good … but not great.
In his sixth year, I think we have a pretty good bead on what kind of a player DK Metcalf is and can be. He is ultra-fast and ultra-strong. He can run away from most any defender in the league. And he has stayed remarkably healthy year after year. He is certainly a top 20 player at his position.
But he is also penalty-prone (both in terms of unsportsmanlike conduct and offensive pass interference), not blessed with top-notch hands, and (like many at his position) emotional, moody and overreactive to not getting the ball as often as he would like. While he has had moments that show he can be a great teammate and leader, those have generally faded during times of adversity, and we’ve seen him physically attack teammates during practice.
Those qualities make for a player that has significant value in the NFL, but not ones that I would want a team to be even more dependent upon moving forward.
So if you aren’t going to re-sign DK to a massive new extension this offseason (which I would not), why not do everything in your power to get as much back as possible? You shouldn’t let top talent simply walk out of your door in the NFL, so why not try to get as much as you can before that scenario becomes even a possibility? Remember, your leverage with other teams diminishes as soon as they sense that you might not be willing to sign a player to a new deal, so the sooner you can trade them, the more they are worth.
The trade deadline is just three weeks away and the Seahawks have some serious business to consider.
https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1786944/ ... 4B0u_nGhAw
Currently, DK is in the second season of a three-year extension worth an average of $24 million per year. That puts him 13th in the league at the position, but each of the 12 players above him have signed deals that last until after DK’s is up. That puts him in line for a payday that could add $6-10 million a year to his current number and make him the highest paid player on the team.
No thanks.
Remember that during that time, the Seahawks will need to make a decision on (and likely sign) Charles Cross to a long-term deal that should add $15-20 million a year to his current contract, plus expected conversations with Boye Mafe, Kenneth Walker Jr., Riq Woolen and others. Yes, they’ll find other ways to clear space (Tyler Lockett, Uchenna Nwosu and others may be looking at restructures or outright releases), but they have plenty of good uses for that money.
Three reasons to consider a DK Metcalf trade
• 1. He plays a position which is worth more to other teams.
DK is a really good player who plays a position that many of the teams in the NFL value quite highly. Macdonald says he is looking to build a team built on physicality, but that team doesn’t have particularly physical players on his offensive line. Why not let a team that is committed to a more finesse style pay for DK’s services and take advantage of their need by acquiring a draft haul that you can turn around and use to bring in the types of players you want?
By all accounts, the Seahawks currently have one of the best groups of skill position players in the league, and it doesn’t seem to be leading to a tremendous offensive output because they don’t have the horses up front. Why would you want to commit more resources to the skill positions?
At their core, receivers play a dependent position. They need the offensive line to block long enough and the quarterback to see them and throw to them in order to contribute on most plays. That would make them third in line (on offense) to get paid on my team.
• 2. He plays a position of plenty.
There are lots of good receivers in the NFL and plenty more on the way in college. Every year seems to bring a new batch of them. The game is flooded with fast, athletic receivers that can run crisp routes, have good hands, and can run away from defenders. They aren’t all as big or strong as DK, but they may have other skills and talents equally as valuable.
By contrast, there aren’t a lot of dominant offensive linemen. The world just simply doesn’t produce as many people giant enough to play that position at the top level with the kind of athleticism and nastiness that makes them great. Every year we hear executives and coaches complain that the college game isn’t feeding them enough linemen to capably open up running lanes and protect passers.
I’d rather spend my precious resources on acquiring the scarce talent rather than the plentiful one.
• 3. DK is really good … but not great.
In his sixth year, I think we have a pretty good bead on what kind of a player DK Metcalf is and can be. He is ultra-fast and ultra-strong. He can run away from most any defender in the league. And he has stayed remarkably healthy year after year. He is certainly a top 20 player at his position.
But he is also penalty-prone (both in terms of unsportsmanlike conduct and offensive pass interference), not blessed with top-notch hands, and (like many at his position) emotional, moody and overreactive to not getting the ball as often as he would like. While he has had moments that show he can be a great teammate and leader, those have generally faded during times of adversity, and we’ve seen him physically attack teammates during practice.
Those qualities make for a player that has significant value in the NFL, but not ones that I would want a team to be even more dependent upon moving forward.
So if you aren’t going to re-sign DK to a massive new extension this offseason (which I would not), why not do everything in your power to get as much back as possible? You shouldn’t let top talent simply walk out of your door in the NFL, so why not try to get as much as you can before that scenario becomes even a possibility? Remember, your leverage with other teams diminishes as soon as they sense that you might not be willing to sign a player to a new deal, so the sooner you can trade them, the more they are worth.
The trade deadline is just three weeks away and the Seahawks have some serious business to consider.
https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1786944/ ... 4B0u_nGhAw
