Gore/James upset with Harbaugh?

[DavidSeven]

PFT says Frank Gore was angry with Jim Harbaugh, has choice words for him at end of game

LaMichael James also just had an interesting tweet. Fill in the blank (Jim?):

@LaMichaelJames
Hey ____ my knee feels fine I'm ready to play ...

 

[davidonmi]

it just keeps getting better and better, can't really blame gore, he was running wild and they stopped handing it off

 

[SF49r]

At least the players are letting him know what is wrong. He needs to stop relying on kaps arm and just run the damn ball. If he did that we'd be 2-1 and not beaten so bad by seattle

 

[General Manager]

SF has been exposed your not good at WR right now , Kaep has been below average against legit teams ,Gore is slowing down and your defense has taken a step back.

 

[bigtrain21]

At least the players are letting him know what is wrong. He needs to stop relying on kaps arm and just run the damn ball. If he did that we'd be 2-1 and not beaten so bad by seattle

Just looking at the play by play, I think he did try to do that but after the 1st and second drive the run offense was largely ineffective. Gore, Hunter, Dixon, and Kaepernick (Not sure how many were scrambles and how many were designed running plays so it might be a little off) combined to run 15 times for 28 yards which put the Niners in some passing situations in which they couldn't always convert. If you take out the Kaepernick carries since I am not sure how many of those were designed run plays it was 9 carries for 22 yards which does force passing situations.

It's hard to say if he ran the ball you would be 2-1 when you were largely ineffective running it after the first 2 drives, one of which was a 3 and out. Not trying to rub salt in the wound or anything just giving you some real stats that might shed light on why he didn't continue to run the ball. In order to have an effective run game your QB needs to move the chains.

 

[The Radish]

The inmates ran the prison for several years at San Francisci and now it appears that they think they should be taking it back from Harbaugh.

Better they listen to him. As much as I dislike him personally I do think he's a good coach.

Tough for him too having never lost 2 games in a row in his career. Can he suck it up and continue? For the ninnirs fans sake they better hope so.

If Harbaugh gets through this it will make him a better coach and hopefully a better person.

:les:

 

[joeseahawks]

You can't compete in this league without decent WRs. Nobody respects the people you put out there to catch the ball. And CK7 running? people have it figured out and defenses have adapted to it (except the Packers, but they aren't good).
RW runs to buy time to throw. When CK7 takes off, he doesn't know how to throw on the run.

 

[freezefail]

You can't compete in this league without decent WRs. Nobody respects the people you put out there to catch the ball. And CK7 running? people have it figured out and defenses have adapted to it (except the Packers, but they aren't good).
RW runs to buy time to throw. When CK7 takes off, he doesn't know how to throw on the run.

Really? Are you serious? Its hard to throw on the run when you have no one to throw to.
Did you even watch the game? They must've replayed each down like 10 times showing how SHIT our WR corp is. No one could get separation, and colts secondary was with them step for step.
If he forces the ball and gets intercepted (which he did), people go OHMAGAWD HE SUX0rz. Doesn't help with moore and williams dropping passes all day.

 

[hawk45]

You can't compete in this league without decent WRs. Nobody respects the people you put out there to catch the ball. And CK7 running? people have it figured out and defenses have adapted to it (except the Packers, but they aren't good).
RW runs to buy time to throw. When CK7 takes off, he doesn't know how to throw on the run.

Really? Are you serious? Its hard to throw on the run when you have no one to throw to.
Did you even watch the game? They must've replayed each down like 10 times showing how SHIT our WR corp is. No one could get separation, and colts secondary was with them step for step.
If he forces the ball and gets intercepted (which he did), people go OHMAGAWD HE SUX0rz. Doesn't help with moore and williams dropping passes all day.

May be true of the Colts game, but there were times in the Seattle game Kaepernick broke the pocket and had guys open and couldn't complete shorter passes. So he didn't look great throwing on the run there. Although perhaps the pee running down his leg from playing at Seattle was a factor.

I do tend to think having no weapons is killing him now, however. They were okay in GB because the Packers didn't have the personnel to take Boldin away (or the smarts?) but with Boldin blanketed and VD having sand in his veejayjay...I wouldn't try my 2nd read either I'd just go fetal.

 

[Always Fierce]

The inmates ran the prison for several years at San Francisci and now it appears that they think they should be taking it back from Harbaugh.

Better they listen to him. As much as I dislike him personally I do think he's a good coach.

Tough for him too having never lost 2 games in a row in his career. Can he suck it up and continue? For the ninnirs fans sake they better hope so.

If Harbaugh gets through this it will make him a better coach and hopefully a better person.

:les:

Is it all Harbaugh though - or did he mostly benefit from a team constructed and made tough by Mike Singletary?

 

[hawk45]

The inmates ran the prison for several years at San Francisci and now it appears that they think they should be taking it back from Harbaugh.

Better they listen to him. As much as I dislike him personally I do think he's a good coach.

Tough for him too having never lost 2 games in a row in his career. Can he suck it up and continue? For the ninnirs fans sake they better hope so.

If Harbaugh gets through this it will make him a better coach and hopefully a better person.

:les:

Is it all Harbaugh though - or did he mostly benefit from a team constructed and made tough by Mike Singletary?

He did walk into a situation with a lot of talent but he turned Alex Smith into a productive QB and took the Niners deep into the playoffs 2 years in a row. That wasn't happening before he arrived.

 

[SF49r]

At least the players are letting him know what is wrong. He needs to stop relying on kaps arm and just run the damn ball. If he did that we'd be 2-1 and not beaten so bad by seattle

Just looking at the play by play, I think he did try to do that but after the 1st and second drive the run offense was largely ineffective. Gore, Hunter, Dixon, and Kaepernick (Not sure how many were scrambles and how many were designed running plays so it might be a little off) combined to run 15 times for 28 yards which put the Niners in some passing situations in which they couldn't always convert. If you take out the Kaepernick carries since I am not sure how many of those were designed run plays it was 9 carries for 22 yards which does force passing situations.

It's hard to say if he ran the ball you would be 2-1 when you were largely ineffective running it after the first 2 drives, one of which was a 3 and out. Not trying to rub salt in the wound or anything just giving you some real stats that might shed light on why he didn't continue to run the ball. In order to have an effective run game your QB needs to move the chains.

That drive when we scored we were running WCO plays. They were more traditional runs that Frank Gore thrives on. When I mean run the ball I talk about that and not the Pistol/Read-option. Those designed runs that were ran 15 times for 28 yards were using the pistol/read-option which are pretty much dead now. Teams figured out how to stop it and the one thing our OC doesn't get is he needs to stop running them so much and start running their WCO plays like they did last season.

 

[Gap Filler]

That drive when we scored we were running WCO plays. They were more traditional runs that Frank Gore thrives on. When I mean run the ball I talk about that and not the Pistol/Read-option. Those designed runs that were ran 15 times for 28 yards were using the pistol/read-option which are pretty much dead now. Teams figured out how to stop it and the one thing our OC doesn't get is he needs to stop running them so much and start running their WCO plays like they did last season.

Is that because your staff is from the college ranks? Is that all they know is what works in college? I'm curious

 

[Popeyejones]

^^^ Greg Roman draws up the 9ers running plays and John Morton draws up the pass plays. Roman has spent 15 years coaching at the pro level and only two years coaching at the college level. Morton has spent 8 years coaching at the pro level and 4 at the college level.

Agreed with SF49r about the problem w/ the playcalling but don't think it's that college ball is all these guys know.

 

[Gap Filler]

^^^ Greg Roman draws up the 9ers running plays and John Morton draws up the pass plays. Roman has spent 15 years coaching at the pro level and only two years coaching at the college level. Morton has spent 8 years coaching at the pro level and 4 at the college level.

Agreed with SF49r about the problem w/ the playcalling but don't think it's that college ball is all these guys know.

Thanks. Sounds like their game planning is just stubborn. Seems like they lost their smash mouth, bunch sets, type of style and they lack a player who can stretch the field and keep teams honest. I don't know, not that I care lol.

 

[Laloosh]

You can't compete in this league without decent WRs. Nobody respects the people you put out there to catch the ball. And CK7 running? people have it figured out and defenses have adapted to it (except the Packers, but they aren't good).
RW runs to buy time to throw. When CK7 takes off, he doesn't know how to throw on the run.

Really? Are you serious? Its hard to throw on the run when you have no one to throw to.
Did you even watch the game? They must've replayed each down like 10 times showing how SHIT our WR corp is. No one could get separation, and colts secondary was with them step for step.
If he forces the ball and gets intercepted (which he did), people go OHMAGAWD HE SUX0rz. Doesn't help with moore and williams dropping passes all day.

Hi Marvin49. Knew you couldn't stay away...

 

[Laloosh]

At least the players are letting him know what is wrong. He needs to stop relying on kaps arm and just run the damn ball. If he did that we'd be 2-1 and not beaten so bad by seattle

Just looking at the play by play, I think he did try to do that but after the 1st and second drive the run offense was largely ineffective. Gore, Hunter, Dixon, and Kaepernick (Not sure how many were scrambles and how many were designed running plays so it might be a little off) combined to run 15 times for 28 yards which put the Niners in some passing situations in which they couldn't always convert. If you take out the Kaepernick carries since I am not sure how many of those were designed run plays it was 9 carries for 22 yards which does force passing situations.

It's hard to say if he ran the ball you would be 2-1 when you were largely ineffective running it after the first 2 drives, one of which was a 3 and out. Not trying to rub salt in the wound or anything just giving you some real stats that might shed light on why he didn't continue to run the ball. In order to have an effective run game your QB needs to move the chains.

That drive when we scored we were running WCO plays. They were more traditional runs that Frank Gore thrives on. When I mean run the ball I talk about that and not the Pistol/Read-option. Those designed runs that were ran 15 times for 28 yards were using the pistol/read-option which are pretty much dead now. Teams figured out how to stop it and the one thing our OC doesn't get is he needs to stop running them so much and start running their WCO plays like they did last season.

So the read option is dead because SF can't run it? Don't tell Seattle!

I know the prevailing line of thought over on the WZ now, is that a return to the 2011 Alex Smith offense is the way to go but that's not going to work either if your receivers either can't get open or your QB can't make those quick reads/passes.

Kaypernick running to his left may as well be a defensive lineman because he can't seem to hit the broad side of a battleship going that direction.

 

[HawkWow]

LOL. If I'm the liar Jim Harbaugh, I'm exploiting the sh*t out of Gore's public outcry. I would go to the press myself and say that "Gore is clearly unhappy and has demanded to be traded". Of course Gore's people would deny this, but who cares....the seed has been planted.

Then I would get on the phones and get whatever I could get for Gore before it's too late. Gore ran decently against the Colts, but Harbaugh wasn't going to wait for him to fade, so stopped going to him. Gore is no more, folks. He's done. The 9ers will be releasing him after this year, so why wait for him to prove he has no value? Capitalize on his whining and offload him for a 5th....or whatever you can, while you can. Harbaugh has his back for next year and this year isn't looking like the kind of year a burnt out back can save. James, Dixon and Hunter will do all they can to improve the 49er draft position. So they have that.

 

[Sports Hernia]

You can't compete in this league without decent WRs. Nobody respects the people you put out there to catch the ball. And CK7 running? people have it figured out and defenses have adapted to it (except the Packers, but they aren't good).
RW runs to buy time to throw. When CK7 takes off, he doesn't know how to throw on the run.

Really? Are you serious? Its hard to throw on the run when you have no one to throw to.
Did you even watch the game? They must've replayed each down like 10 times showing how SHIT our WR corp is. No one could get separation, and colts secondary was with them step for step.
If he forces the ball and gets intercepted (which he did), people go OHMAGAWD HE SUX0rz. Doesn't help with moore and williams dropping passes all day.

Hi Marvin49. Knew you couldn't stay away...

Was just going to post the same thing! I "called it" BTW.....

 

[chris98251]

Hear Cleveland is looking for a back or maybe Pittsburgh.