Goodell wants 18 regular season games, eliminate 1 preseason game

[Bear-Hawk]

A bigger cap only leads to bigger QB pay.

True, unless you also cap the QB position. I would limit the QB to 13% of the roster cap.

 

[IndyHawk]

True, unless you also cap the QB position. I would limit the QB to 13% of the roster cap.

I suggested such a thing on here years ago, cap all the positions straight up.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

I suggested such a thing on here years ago, cap all the positions straight up.

I think if you cap the QB, the rest of it can work itself out naturally.

 

[IndyHawk]

I think if you cap the QB, the rest of it can work itself out naturally.

But will it?
WR X signs for this so WR Y will expect the same or more, then we have the same issues
that QBs started.
I feel like with an all pos cap there will be a lot more players staying with teams rather than
using FA or being cut for cap reasons.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

But will it?
WR X signs for this so WR Y will expect the same or more, then we have the same issues
that QBs started.
I feel like with an all pos cap there will be a lot more players staying with teams rather than
using FA or being cut for cap reasons.

If he’s the next Jerry Rice, you pay him. If he’s not, don’t break the bank. QB1 QB not so replaceable, which is why Lawrence got $275 million contract….making more than Mahomes. It has become out of control.

 

[IndyHawk]

If he’s the next Jerry Rice, you pay him. If he’s not, don’t break the bank. QB1 QB not so replaceable, which is why Lawrence got $275 million contract….making more than Mahomes. It has become out of control.

It is all out of control pretty much.. Teams are overpaying at more than just QB.

 

[slateman77]

It is all out of control pretty much.. Teams are overpaying at more than just QB.

Exactly..!! Where does it stop.?? These salaries are ridiculous. We're on a trajectory of 100 million per year ( Yeah..It's going to happen) for a starting QB when Burrow is making 55 million per year. Cap all positions and if they don't like it, go play in Canada..Eh.???

 

[Aussie Seahawk]

17 games is weird, but 16 was fine, IMHO. It is a LONG and punishing marathon of a season, and 40+ years of statistics from 16-game seasons were terminated by going to 17, which seems a shame to me. I'm rather fed up with it all apparently being about money-money-money!

 

[knownone]

This is a pretty interesting business question because there is a point where more games eventually lead to lower overall engagement. Unfortunately, the NFL is fairly insulated from that eventuality because of TV contracts. But they're not operating with the best interest of the sport, its players, or the fans in mind.

 

[IndyHawk]

Exactly..!! Where does it stop.?? These salaries are ridiculous. We're on a trajectory of 100 million per year ( Yeah..It's going to happen) for a starting QB when Burrow is making 55 million per year. Cap all positions and if they don't like it, go play in Canada..Eh.???

They will still all get paid as the cap goes up but yes it's hard to put out good
teams if you're doing it like today.
Look at the Cowboys mess, this is going to happen more if it keeps going as is.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

They will still all get paid as the cap goes up but yes it's hard to put out good
teams if you're doing it like today.
Look at the Cowboys mess, this is going to happen more if it keeps going as is.

Teams that pay top-tier money to second-tier quarterbacks deserve what they get. The real question is whether the NFL should take even more responsibility for reigning in fiscally irresponsible owners. Yes, it does involve money, but it’s also about promoting parity, which benefits fans.

 

[NoGain]

The NFL's greed has become downright gross. I hope there comes a day when an increasing amount of fans have just had enough of it. It's not in sight yet, and may not be for a long time to come. But one can hope.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

The NFL's greed has become downright gross. I hope there comes a day when an increasing amount of fans have just had enough of it. It's not in sight yet, and may not be for a long time to come. But one can hope.

Whether it’s the NFL or Nvidia, a good capitalist will price his product to maximize profits. Call it “greed” or “good business”, it is what it is. Ticket prices have increased 4x the inflation rate over the last 30 years. That is because we have plenty of people who love NFL football and are rich enough to afford the prices. NFL teams are not going to price themselves out of the market, and the market is not going to shrink appreciably in the foreseeable future.

 

[NoGain]

Whether it’s the NFL or Nvidia, a good capitalist will price his product to maximize profits. Call it “greed” or “good business”, it is what it is. Ticket prices have increased 4x the inflation rate over the last 30 years. That is because we have plenty of people who love NFL football and are rich enough to afford the prices. NFL teams are not going to price themselves out of the market, and the market is not going to shrink appreciably in the foreseeable future.

I don't know. College football attendance has been decreasing for years with an occasional aberration. Some studies show that Gen Z is a lot less interested in sports than previous generations. Also, due to a variety of reasons, people's attention spans have been getting shorter and shorter, by and large. Then there's the backlash about public funding for sports' stadiums and peoples' frustration with having to pay up and add to their already burgeoning cable and streaming packages.

No, I'm not suggesting the decline of the NFL is on the near term horizon. But at some point you can start killing the golden egg laying goose if you're not careful.

And sure, corporations seek to maximize their profits. But they also become vulnerable to competition, to exorbitant PE ratios, to changing tastes amongst the public, etc... I can't say what will become of the NFL in the future, but overextension and hubris have brought many companies to their knees in the past.

 

[onanygivensunday]

When the NFLPA agreed to a 17th game, they in essence, agreed to adding an 18th game. They knew it.

The offset... pare back the preseason games to only two.

If players' health is the main sticking point, limit each player to playing no more than 17 games... maybe even limit them to 16 games. Just a thought.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

It is all out of control pretty much.. Teams are overpaying at more than just QB.

Define “overpaying”. The players’ union is not powerless.

 

[RiverDog]

I don't know. College football attendance has been decreasing for years with an occasional aberration. Some studies show that Gen Z is a lot less interested in sports than previous generations. Also, due to a variety of reasons, people's attention spans have been getting shorter and shorter, by and large. Then there's the backlash about public funding for sports' stadiums and peoples' frustration with having to pay up and add to their already burgeoning cable and streaming packages.

No, I'm not suggesting the decline of the NFL is on the near term horizon. But at some point you can start killing the golden egg laying goose if you're not careful.

And sure, corporations seek to maximize their profits. But they also become vulnerable to competition, to exorbitant PE ratios, to changing tastes amongst the public, etc... I can't say what will become of the NFL in the future, but overextension and hubris have brought many companies to their knees in the past.

I agree with many of these thoughts. Gen Z is much less interested in sports, particularly American football. Participation rates are way down as is attendance.

It used to be quite common for high school games to attract 3k+. Now, it's just parents and girlfriends.

American football is going the way of boxing. Back in the 50's and 60's, every town of 5k+ had a boxing club. My oldest cousin belonged to the Dayton (WA) boxing club and held the record for the quickest knock out in the state's Golden Gloves tournament. Even with limited television, they had live professional boxing matches on in prime time 4 nights a week. Heavyweight championships used to be can't miss TV well into the 70's.

I don't think it's a matter of killing the goose that laid the golden egg. Football still has a long run and will outlive all of us in this forum. But it's inevitable that it's going to eventually become marginalized.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

I agree with many of these thoughts. Gen Z is much less interested in sports, particularly American football. Participation rates are way down as is attendance.

It used to be quite common for high school games to attract 3k+. Now, it's just parents and girlfriends.

American football is going the way of boxing. Back in the 50's and 60's, every town of 5k+ had a boxing club. My oldest cousin belonged to the Dayton (WA) boxing club and held the record for the quickest knock out in the state's Golden Gloves tournament. Even with limited television, they had live professional boxing matches on in prime time 4 nights a week. Heavyweight championships used to be can't miss TV well into the 70's.

I don't think it's a matter of killing the goose that laid the golden egg. Football still has a long run and will outlive all of us in this forum. But it's inevitable that it's going to eventually become marginalized.

I used to be an avid boxing fan. I no longer watch it at all. I hope the NFL doesn’t go that direction, but it’s always possible.

 

[rjdriver]

Exactly..!! Where does it stop.?? These salaries are ridiculous. We're on a trajectory of 100 million per year ( Yeah..It's going to happen) for a starting QB when Burrow is making 55 million per year. Cap all positions and if they don't like it, go play in Canada..Eh.???

I think Rob Walton being worth over $77 billion dollars is equally ridiculous. At least Burrow has worked on perfecting a craft his entire life and goes out and literally risks his health and future consciousness for his payday.

Walton's ridiculous salary stems from the fact that a spermy won the race to an egg that was later named "Rob".

If you think a cap on all positions would result in the owners passing the savings on to the fans, well, I have some beachfront property in Oklahoma I'd like to tell you about.

 

[SNDavidson]

18 regular season games and then another minor league with 18 regular season games wherein 2 poor schmucks who should have went finance have to live out their failures in documentary format in a stupid welcome to the league documentary that boomers will watch while nuking their hungry mans