Elijah Arroyo

[hox]

He's a third or fourth round talent IMO. A guard might have been the better choice in the second round.

 

[glenwo2]

On the pick, I think when Sam analyzes the tape, he'll rethink what he saw and his choice to even throw the ball, and he'll certainly regret throwing it high and extra mustard instead of to Arroyo's body.
Are Arroyo's hands a little suspect? Or is it 100% on Sam?
It seems like AJ Barner cleanly catches everyball thrown to him.

Here's what Sam had to say about it :

Darnold blamed himself. He said his throw to Arroyo was too high, and not into Arroyo’s body where the 6-foot-5, 254-pound tight end could have boxed out the smaller Terrell (6-1, 200).

“Elijah’s such a big body. I feel like I left that one kind of high for him,” Darnold said. “If I could just get that one down, he could box out almost like a rebound in basketball and get the ball.”

https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/article313496287.html

Sounds like Sam was hell-bent on getting the ball to Arroyo no matter what.

It was like "Yeah I see you, K9, but I chose Arroyo as my target on this play so there. " or something.

 

[hox]

Here's what Sam had to say about it :

https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/article313496287.html

Sounds like Sam was hell-bent on getting the ball to Arroyo no matter what.

It was like "Yeah I see you, K9, but I chose Arroyo as my target on this play so there. " or something.

He's going for the chunk yardage instead of being a check down Charlie. I'd rather he be aggressive than a dink-and-dunk Alex Smith type.

 

[Euphoric Duty]

Taking Elijah Arroyo over Harold Fannin Jr. made 0 sense. A dude with no production at all to his name vs a guy who had insane production.

 

[glenwo2]

He's going for the chunk yardage instead of being a check down Charlie. I'd rather he be aggressive than a dink-and-dunk Alex Smith type.

I mean...I get it.

I know what Darnold was going for.

But in that situation...when you're deep in your own side of the field, you need to continue to move the chains instead of taking unnecessary risks there.

It didn't cost them but had this been the Rams (for example), they are at least going to get a FG out of that pick because they get a short-field.

Sam needs to be a bit more judicious in his throws.

Being a Checkdown charlie at times is preferable to throwing picks.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He’s a rookie.. give it a rest..

Even when we win y’all still wanna find someone to be your whipping boy.. holy crap

 

[hox]

Rookies are not above reproach, especially when it's a high draft pick. Can he still improve? Sure but his route running, hands and blocking leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[sutz]

He's going for the chunk yardage instead of being a check down Charlie. I'd rather he be aggressive than a dink-and-dunk Alex Smith type.

Good QBs need to be able to do both and pick which one when the situation calls for it.

 

[Sperrydogg]

If the receiver has his blinkers on.. he better turn, cause that's what the QB is expecting... they practice that and at that professional level they need to follow the rules. I maybe wrong, never the less, there are good drivers and there are bad drivers...don't be a bad driver

Unless it’s a fake blinker action, ya know, trying to trick the other driver into thinking your gonna turn so he slows down and then you zoom past him with your finger out the window

 

[Sperrydogg]

Good QBs need to be able to do both and pick which one when the situation calls for it.

Yep. I hate seeing the qb throw the ball where the guy is supposed to be when he knows the guy ain’t gonna get there. Very geNoesque

 

[hox]

I mean...I get it.

I know what Darnold was going for.

But in that situation...when you're deep in your own side of the field, you need to continue to move the chains instead of taking unnecessary risks there.

It didn't cost them but had this been the Rams (for example), they are at least going to get a FG out of that pick because they get a short-field.

Sam needs to be a bit more judicious in his throws.

Being a Checkdown charlie at times is preferable to throwing picks.

True it's a risk/reward. The better option there is definitely hitting the checkdown or running for the first.

Just in general though, you want a QB who can thread the needle. That JSN goal post dunk TD for example threaded the needle perfectly between two defenders. You want a QB who is capable of and isn't afraid to do that.

Arroyo one, not ideal, but still hit the receiver in the hands.

 

[glenwo2]

True it's a risk/reward. The better option there is definitely hitting the checkdown or running for the first.

Just in general though, you want a QB who can thread the needle. That JSN goal post dunk TD for example threaded the needle perfectly between two defenders. You want a QB who is capable of and isn't afraid to do that.

Arroyo one, not ideal, but still hit the receiver in the hands.

Fair enough.

BTW, I think what will truly take Sam to the next level is if he begins to RUN A LOT MORE like he did in this game.

If opposing Defenses have to plan for Darnold scrambling for first downs, it can only open things up even more for Sam and may actually get him going from the get-go.

 

[Followthelegion]

Fair enough.

BTW, I think what will truly take Sam to the next level is if he begins to RUN A LOT MORE like he did in this game.

If opposing Defenses have to plan for Darnold scrambling for first downs, it can only open things up even more for Sam and may actually get him going from the get-go.

Which is all well and good until he gets hit or landed on badly on a run and we are suddenly riding with Drew the rest of the way. I winced on his first down run y'day when the defender landed on him during the tackle. It's defo a balance thing of course, having the threat of a QB run keeps the defense honest and if sprinkled in occasionally is potentially highly valuable.

 

[glenwo2]

Which is all well and good until he gets hit or landed on badly on a run and we are suddenly riding with Drew the rest of the way. I winced on his first down run y'day when the defender landed on him during the tackle. It's defo a balance thing of course, having the threat of a QB run keeps the defense honest and if sprinkled in occasionally is potentially highly valuable.

His 2nd time running he did it the right way in sliding, though.

 

[Followthelegion]

His 2nd time running he did it the right way in sliding, though.

yes, that one was a good slide with 3 defenders getting ready to knock his head off!

 

[olyfan63]

He's going for the chunk yardage instead of being a check down Charlie. I'd rather he be aggressive than a dink-and-dunk Alex Smith type.

OMG The ghost of Charlie Whitehurst lives on in the heads of .NET members!
Is this because it's getting to be the Christmas season, and Mr. Whitehurst's more well-known name was "Clipboard Jesus".
Besides, I always thought Checkdown Charlie was a bit of a misnomer because his ONE moment of Seahawks glory was coming into a game just before half and immediately throwing a 20-yard TD. I think it was a game against the Giants. On that play He threw up a deep prayer and went deep instead of checking down...
OK maybe that win-and-in game VS. the Rams could justify the Checkdown thing.
The TD vs the Giants is at the 2:00 mark of this video:
I didn't realize Charlie had more TD passes than that, but there is video evidence he had multiple TD passes in the NFL.

I wish him well wherever he is. OK, Charlie, if Indy calls cuz Rivers got hurt, just hang up!

Back on topic about Sam, I just want him to protect the ball first, no turnovers. With this D it's not necessary to throw into risky situations.

 

[Azvacar]

...? It hit him directly in the hands

Both those throws were on the QB a TE can only run his route it's up to the QB to throw the ball to him, and both were poor decisions by the QB..

 

[SeahawkSteve80]

Too early to write off Arroyo. Sometimes it takes guys two or three years to put it all together.

 

[MoldyPurpleMayo]

Taking Elijah Arroyo over Harold Fannin Jr. made 0 sense. A dude with no production at all to his name vs a guy who had insane production.

I liked Fannin so much I had him in my mock draft write-up. He really fit the Seahawks hard-nose smashmouth vibe and I would've LOVED seeing him in a Seahawks uniform.

 

[skater18000]

Curious how much usage he'll be given considering how effective Barner and Saubert have been

Hopefully it's just a specialized role, although I do know there's benefits to having him in the game as a slot/down field blocker.

Our offense struggled with some of the nuance of our passing game with his inexperienced route running ability in this offense. I think Arroyo can make a difference, but ultimately think he should be subjected to somewhat of a TE3/H-back role/ big-slot role for 10-15 total snaps and not forced too heavily back into the mix.

Saubert's role/snaps especially should not be diminished, nor should it for Outzs, Kupp or Barner.

Only guy he should be taking snaps from is Brady Russell lol