Does Ryan Grubb got what it takes?

[NoGain]

I'm not going to judge a guy whose been successful everywhere he's been after a few games in the NFL. Anytime you get into a new arena it takes time to adjust to it. Now, if he continually fails to adjust, then I'll reconsider. But not for at least a full season.

 

[TwistedHusky]

I find it odd that one of the few things that isn't a flaming dumpster fire on this team...is what we are complaining about.

We pass more, because passing more makes sense with this roster. (Even with this OL).

Worse, we have little choice. Playing a ground control game that eats clock and ends with FGs or the occasional TD does not work when you literally have to score almost every possession to stay in the game because your defense is giving away scores in bunches. What seems to work for us is the hurryup offense. We play fast and with quick pace - we can keep up. (which is the opposite of a ground control clock eating offense).

Lots of things to complain about with this team. Offense is LOW LOW on the list.

 

[Gametime]

Part of it is our basic level of impatience as fans in an Amazon Prime culture of everything has to be fast. Changing an entire scheme at every level takes time. It’s going to take time and some better player to scheme fits to really click. That said. There are some glaring and really fundamental issues that need immediate improvement. That’s on the coaches to hammer home and the players to recognize. They looked slow. Yes it was 3 games in 11 days but to me they looked at times like they were just thinking too much and always two steps behind in reacting. That comes with learning a new scheme and I just hope it starts to gel better soon with the schedule we have coming up. But I won’t be calling for new coaches until year 3. It just takes more time than 6 games to go from learning to understanding to being fully game speed ready to executing instinctually. But holding on to the football? Catching the football? Those are basic fundamentals that have GOT to get cleaned up.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I like a few things he does. Grubb does a great job getting guys in space and getting YAC opportunities. Grubb tends to abandon things like the running game too quickly, we're behind in the slightest and we go into heavy passing attacks.

Few things I'm wondering about is the Geno Smith the Metcalf connection. Is Geno Smith forcing the ball to Metcalf or is that something Geno is doing? It seems this was something he's done under Waldron, but it's ramped up this season.

 

[DarkVictory23]

We turned the ball over 3 times. I don't think you can put that on Grubb. We came back and had a chance to take the lead in the 4th.

Mental errors, not scheme, have been our undoing the last couple weeks.

This is true. It's really not hard to see a world where, if DK doesn't fumble against Detroit and New York, we win those games.

And if Geno doesn't throw that second interception or Walker settles his feet down... well, we'd still have probably given up another 75 yard run for a TD.


Overall, I'm not down on Grubb, I just feel like--even with this line--there is space to make this offense even better, which, with games like our defense has had the last 3 weeks, it'll have to be.

 

[DarkVictory23]

I like a few things he does. Grubb does a great job getting guys in space and getting YAC opportunities. Grubb tends to abandon things like the running game too quickly, we're behind in the slightest and we go into heavy passing attacks.

Few things I'm wondering about is the Geno Smith the Metcalf connection. Is Geno Smith forcing the ball to Metcalf or is that something Geno is doing? It seems this was something he's done under Waldron, but it's ramped up this season.

I don't really think this is the issue people make it out to be.

DK's our #1 receiver, but he only has 5 more targets than JSN, who is only 9 ahead of Lockett.

DK is only targeted on about 1 out of every 5 pass attempts, which is about the same as Ja'Marr Chase on the Bengals and slightly less than Baker Mayfield targets Chris Godwin on the Buccaneers, for example.

This is also basically the same rate of targets he had last year... and actually less than the target rate he had in 2020 and 2021 with Russ.

In fact, of the guys who we might say Geno is 'forcing' it to would be my man Tyler. He's got 2 big drops and half of Geno's INTs were on Tyler targets even though Tyler is the #3 WR in targets this year.

I think people are seeing the big foul ups that we've seen from DK (he has the most drops and those 2 cringe-inducing fumbles) and think we're forcing the ball to him too much, but out of the 3 starting WRs, Geno's got his best rating targeting DK.

 

[bileever]

I like what Grubb has done over the first six games. For example, we're actually using the middle of the field for a change. Even with the terrible O-line, he's making the passing game work. The run game has worked sporadically, although not in the last two games.

The offense was clicking against Detroit, even though we fell behind quickly due to the poor defense and the DK fumble.

Then in the last two games against the Giants and 49ers, we again fell behind quickly and that has a way of getting you out of your game plan.

Even after falling behind 23-3 yesterday, the offense started to click in the third quarter and we were a few plays away from the offense getting us back into it, with little help from the defense.

So I think the jury is still out on Grubb. Btw, In Ben Johnson's first year as offensive coordinator for the Lions in 2022, the Lions went 1-6 in his first seven games, including being shut out by the Patriots and scoring only 6 points against the Cowboys. So you can't make a judgment in just 6 games, and certainly not based on the last game against the 49ers.

 

[bestfightstory]

I’m excited to watch the fanbase crucify our 8th consecutive offensive coordinator or so.

 

[Maelstrom787]

This is exactly the wrong time to lean into being by far the pass-heaviest team in the league.



Just as this starts to become a rushing league in which passing efficiency and production is severely down due to defenses adopting coverage shells and less robust run defenses, we decide to pass the shit out of the ball.

The line is bad. It is bad at both pass blocking and run blocking.

Figure something out on the ground. They need a go-to run to build from. There's no way to succeed with an offense as imbalanced as this in a league that is punishing overuse of the pass.

Not to mention we just had our quarterback throw 150 times in 11 goddamn days. Gonna be some fatigue and wear there!

 

[Chukarhawk]

Grubbs offense only works when the QB Running it is making good decisions. Geno is changing the play at the line a lot. That can be great if Geno's understanding what he's seeing. Early on it looked great. Geno has looked worse in our last couple of games. Forcing terrible throws to DK while other Wr's are wide open. Grubbs offense is just fine. We have the worst offensive line in the NFL. You could have the best offensive mind in the world and still struggle if you have the worst line in the League. Grubb isn't throwing picks and putting the ball on the ground game after game. DK has been a disaster and now Geno is throwing picks and forcing the ball to a guy that runs lazy routes, struggles to get any separation and drops half the passes that come to him. We're working with a limited subset of the playbook as well. Grubbs system isn't the problem, its being executed poorly because of lack of talent on the line and a subsequently struggling QB.

 

[Chukarhawk]

This is exactly the wrong time to lean into being by far the pass-heaviest team in the league.

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Just as this starts to become a rushing league in which passing efficiency and production is severely down due to defenses adopting coverage shells and less robust run defenses, we decide to pass the shit out of the ball.

The line is bad. It is bad at both pass blocking and run blocking.

Figure something out on the ground. They need a go-to run to build from. There's no way to succeed with an offense as imbalanced as this in a league that is punishing overuse of the pass.

Not to mention we just had our quarterback throw 150 times in 11 goddamn days. Gonna be some fatigue and wear there!

Sorry but this isn't going to change when you are constantly behind because your defense can't stop anyone. You will always be pass happy in those situations. ALWAYS.

 

[jammerhawk]

I believe Grubb HAS what it takes and the OLine's in ability to consistently protect and or run block in even a half azz fashion is what is limiting the O's output which until the last 3 games has been sort off acceptable.

Geno choked against the 49ers without a doubt and was highly off target until the 2nd half. At present to me the biggest concern is the genuine inability of the OLine to run block. the team can talk about wanting to do but actually doing it i.e.: running the the darn ball is what is missing.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Sorry but this isn't going to change when you are constantly behind because your defense can't stop anyone. You will always be pass happy in those situations. ALWAYS.

Sure, but I'm not using overall run/pass split. I'm looking at neutral situation run/pass split, which we lead the league in by 12% over second place as of last week.

They're not just slaves to game situation. They're choosing this.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I believe Grubb HAS what it takes and the OLine's in ability to consistently protect and or run block in even a half azz fashion is what is limiting the O's output which until the last 3 games has been sort off acceptable.

Geno choked against the 49ers without a doubt and highly off target until the 2nd half. At present to me the biggest concern is the genuine inability of the OLine to run block. the team can talk about wanting to do but actually doing it i.e.: running the the darn ball is what is missing.

But this is the rub: Grubb is a guy who came up as an OL specialist. I cannot fathom how they look solidly worse than even last year despite upgrades at center, retaining the RG, and Cross taking a leap as third year tackles tend to do.

I can only hope these are growing pains and we're waiting to get some moldable bodies in for Grubb and Huff to work on, because the initial returns have been immensely worrying. They're really, really bad at what they should be good at - with no sign of improvement through week 6.

 

[toffee]

I notice that Geno and Grupp may not be on the same page, the same could be said about k9 and Metcalf. In a short 6 games, it seems like Grupp managed to lose his boys.

 

[toffee]

Yes. Him, Geno, Walker etc are all handcuffed by a terrible offensive line that Pete and John botched for years. Lucas going down was a massive loss too.

Our OL wasn't better in 2023, but arguably, our offense played ..... ummm ..... more inspired?

 

[renofox]

I'm not going to judge a guy whose been successful everywhere he's been after a few games in the NFL. Anytime you get into a new arena it takes time to adjust to it. Now, if he continually fails to adjust, then I'll reconsider. But not for at least a full season.

Agreed. But I'll start getting antsy if we don't see more... more by game 13 or so.