Detroit signed Jason Jones

[grizbob]

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[Uncle Si]

I really expect a drop off on our defense. I guess the FO doesn't see the need to pursue it. While I love the Havin addition, will it make enough difference for our future drop off on defense?

where's the dropoff? Not having Jason Jones?

Free Agency isnt even a day old and there are like 6 or 7 names out there that can do what Jones does at a reasonable cost and without the injury history.

Little premature. I dont think anyone here expected Jones to return (its why he was on a 1 year deal to begin with)

Last year, it was quite apparent that we lacked a push up the middle for our DEs(LEOs). The inconsistent production was due to this. Not only do we lose a good push(granted, Jones is oft injured)but we need to replace Clemmons! I just don't see him coming back. DL is a huge need.

I absolutely agree that DL is a huge need. I just dont see losing out on bringing Jones back as a signal that we are dropping off... if anything we are staying the same (which isnt great). If we go into the draft in a similar position that is a significant cause for concern.

And I forgot about Clemons injury... that does add to the drop off

 

[brettb3]

It's all good. I actually forgot that Bennett was a DE, not a DT.

 

[Missing_Clink]

Meh, not sure I agree. I think Michael Bennett and Richard Seymour are both better. And if the DT market is that weak, I think there are upgrades to be had in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Sure if we make a couple signings like that we would be ok. Not sure if that will happen or how realistic it is. I also think it is pretty unrealistic to just assume that we can draft two guys without a first round pick and expect them to have a big impact. Can it happen? Sure. But often it takes time for young guys to really get a feel for playing DT in the NFL, even when they are very highly touted coming in (see Gerald McCoy and Sedrick Ellis). In my opinion there is almost no chance we get 2 rookies this year who come in and are instant upgrades over Branch and Jones.

Normally I might not be too worried, but this is a superbowl caliber team right now. I am loathe to put that much faith in rookies when the team is so close. May have to though

 

[jammerhawk]

Jason Jones was not worth his salary last season and missed the last part of the year on IR. The team was however better on D when he was playing than when he wasn't so he needs to be replaced. I suspect though that he wanted a good deal more than we were prepared to pay him.

I was intrigued by his length and amazingly long arms which allowed him to make plays. It's possible the team may look to replace him with a drafted player like Devin Taylor or another.

I wonder how healthy he really is and what the state of his knees are at present? I hope we don't miss him that much and can find a healthier replacement for him.

 

[Frozenropers]

I think everyone recognizes that JS/PC has some work to do on the D-line still. Here is what I'd personally like to see happen.

1) Re-sign Branch (He's a solid 2 down DT)

2) Sign one of: Bennett (DE), Abraham (DE) for depth at DE. I would prefer Bennett as I think he could pass rush from LDE on passing downs, as well as, fill in at RDE if needed.

3) Draft a rookie DT for depth.

4) Sign Winfield (1 year deal) to replace Trufant in the nickle CB position. Just throwing this idea out there as it relates to Free Agency.

Depth on the D-Line would be

RDE - Irvin, Bennett, Clemons (when he gets healthy mid year)
RDT - Mebane, Howard, Rookie A
LDT - Branch, Scruggs, Rookie A
LDE - Bryant, Bennett, Scruggs


Bennett would add pass rush improvement on the outside and improvements from Howard, Scruggs and the rookie should help the interior pass rush. I could see our third down pass rushing line looking something like this early in the season.

RDE: Irvin
RDT: Howard, Rookie A
LDT: Scruggs
LDE: Bennett

 

[brettb3]

Meh, not sure I agree. I think Michael Bennett and Richard Seymour are both better. And if the DT market is that weak, I think there are upgrades to be had in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Sure if we make a couple signings like that we would be ok. Not sure if that will happen or how realistic it is. I also think it is pretty unrealistic to just assume that we can draft two guys without a first round pick and expect them to have a big impact. Can it happen? Sure. But often it takes time for young guys to really get a feel for playing DT in the NFL, even when they are very highly touted coming in (see Gerald McCoy and Sedrick Ellis). In my opinion there is almost no chance we get 2 rookies this year who come in and are instant upgrades over Branch and Jones.

Normally I might not be too worried, but this is a superbowl caliber team right now. I am loathe to put that much faith in rookies when the team is so close. May have to though

I guess my faith lies in the FO. I know it flies in the face of critical thinking, but based on their track record I just have complete confidence that they'll figure it out. Carroll himself said that fixing the pass rush is a huge priority. They've thoroughly evaluated this year's free agent and draft class on the DL, so whichever route they decide to go, I'll feel comfortable with until it proves not to work.

 

[Seahwkgal]

Still plenty of DTs and DEs in FA and in the draft. Losing out on Jones isn't a death knell for our D.

We went 3-1 in games without him, for the record. Let's just bring the next man in and make it work.

I really expect a drop off on our defense. I guess the FO doesn't see the need to pursue it. While I love the Havin addition, will it make enough difference for our future drop off on defense?

And as noted above, we haven't even gone through the 2nd day of FA yet. How do you know the FO isn't pursuing D-line help? We signed Jones on the 4th day of FA last year. Give it a minute.

Fine then. Can I bitch after the 2nd day if nothing is done about it?

 

[Hawkfan77]

Wonder what his new contract looks like? A comp pick should be coming our way next year for losing Jones

EDIT: Never mind, Jones signed a 3 year deal worth 9.3 million...hmmm...looks like we didn't want him back

 

[RolandDeschain]

JIMMY MCNULTY SIGHTING!

 

[Hasselbeck]

I really expect a drop off on our defense. I guess the FO doesn't see the need to pursue it. While I love the Havin addition, will it make enough difference for our future drop off on defense?

:lol:

We're not even done with Day 2 of free agency. Let this front office do its thing. CLEARLY they know what they're doing

 

[Blitzer88]

Dang.....after Bryant signed with the Browns I really wanted to get JJ back. Guess we got to find different options now.

 

[Hawks46]

This was the one reason I wasn't thrilled with the draft capital we paid for Harvin. Our 1st would've netted a damn nice DT. Then again, the top 3 guys were getting a lot of hype, so maybe PC and JS were "looking at their draft board" and figuring any DT we got at 25 would've been there in the 2nd round.

We did get Harvin, and I think he makes our offense freakin electric. Look at the bright side, even if we strike out in FA, we'll just have to outscore teams now. Gonna be like the old "Greatest show on Turf"....44 - 21 type scores.

 

[Lynch Mob]

Well i think the seahawks better start making moves on the D side of the ball if not i could see us wasting a perfectly good opprotunity to win a superbowl while having our core in tact next year contracts are gonna start ending n we might not be able to keep everyone like the 9ers this year look at all they lost in just one day to big money contracts so better believe their gonna be vultures picking apart this seahawks d when their contracts are up so seattle better make at least attempts at richard seymour n Alan branch.

 

[pinksheets]

Anyone find it curious that with all of the reports of interest in Jason Jones, none of them included talk of the Seahawks trying to re-sign him? Maybe there's a reason for that.

 

[Killa Kam]

Anyone find it curious that with all of the reports of interest in Jason Jones, none of them included talk of the Seahawks trying to re-sign him? Maybe there's a reason for that.

yup, neither did Fisher and the Rams.

 

[volsunghawk]

Anyone find it curious that with all of the reports of interest in Jason Jones, none of them included talk of the Seahawks trying to re-sign him? Maybe there's a reason for that.

I wonder if they were leery of his health issues. Like the skillset, but it does you very little good if you miss a quarter of the season and are less effective in other games due to injury.

 

[kearly]

Still plenty of DTs and DEs in FA and in the draft. Losing out on Jones isn't a death knell for our D.

No disrespect, but people that say this haven't studied the 2013 group. Pass rush 3-techs are one of the rarest and most difficult to draft positions in football. And IMO, this year is below average at DT compared to previous years, particularly in the athleticism department. We would have been a little lucky to get a difference making pass rush 3-tech at #25. At #56, you are talking about guys that are longshots to be difference makers.

If we are very lucky, we might still get Kawann Short, and though I think he will help us I don't think he's quite what we need either. Then you have Sly Williams, who we'd also be lucky to get, and he's basically a rich man's Allen Branch. Then you have Brandon Williams who at 341 pounds with little speed and short arms with a low running motor from division II would be the most unlikely pass rush 3-tech ever- although I do like him- but he's still a long shot. Then you get to options like Bennie Logan who are pretty unremarkable and look like league average NFL DTs.

There are some creative options, like Malliciah Goodman or Lavar Edwards, but both played DE and would have to convert to DT- so they'd be unlikely to help much in 2013.

My favorite by a mile is John Simon, but most see him as a 3-4 OLB. I think he could make it work and even contribute immediately as a Jason Jones type player, but I am very much in the minority on this. My ray of optimism comes from how I was very much in the minority on Russell Wilson last year but John Schneider had my back. I hope he has my back on John Simon too. Otherwise, I think we are probably screwed in terms of 2013 interior pass rush.

 

[Largent80]

A replaceable player, really we had him but he couldn't help us down the stretch so, we miss what?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Pretty injury prone, but was a solid player when he was on the field. Plenty of good guys still left to plug into this line.