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and throws to Maxwell on the left perimeter..

According to Dilfer, this is where we've "been weak throughout the year"

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=10403570

Is this our weakness on defense? Haven't seen the all-22 film, but I thought Maxwell's been pretty solid.

He also says it's a "foolish conversation" to put us in the all-time list of great defenses.
 

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Maxwell has been good but he has a tendency to get off balance and hold when the moves are put on him ala the DT TD
 

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Dilfer is just butthurt against the Hawks since we benched him for his majority of time in Seattle.

I wouldn't really trust Dilfer's analysis for finding any weaknesses in a defense he has more career interceptions than touchdowns :)

He also had a career completion rate of 55.5% haha. Kaepernick and Eli Manning are not even ranked in the top 30 in completion percentage last season and they are both over 57%

Dilfer really wasn't good but he gets carried to one Super Bowl now he thinks he's the man I guess.
 

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I don't think you can say that the great defenses we are being compared to went 18 deep on their defense. We rotated in 3 guys on the DL, 2 LB's, and 2 DB's - we didn't skip a beat.
 

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Maxwell was way out of position on that D. Thomas touchdown in the SB. It should have been PI because he was pulling him down before the ball ever got there.

His ball skills are very good when he's in position but at times he can get caught with his hips turned and he doesn't have the recovery speed to get back into position before the ball gets there.

Regarding Dilfer, he hates Seattle and always has since he left. He'll go out of his way to bad mouth us. You would think this SB victory over the greatest offense ever would be enough to get him to shut him mouth but apparently not. He's an idiot. I remember when he was destroyed after the MNF game with the Saints. He was bashing us all pregame then after the game he completely switched over and was slurping all over our guys. Now he's bad mouthing us again, unbelievable.

Guy is a tool. He's butthurt because he got run out of town and he's known as the ultimate "game manager" because he was terrible.
 

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Every NFL defense in history has been "weak" to deep crossing routes if the QB has enough time in the pocket and makes a perfect throw. Is that supposed to be insightful?
 

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question to you dilfer, did peyton have time for these deep crosses and deep corner routes?

And using stats is idiotic, did the 2000 ravens, 1985 bears, 1976 steelers have to face rules like there are today
 

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Interesting that it was Dilfer that got me to quit lurking and actually post, but I have to call B.S. on his deep crossing route analysis. Football Outsiders broke this down in the divisional round. Teams only took a shot deep middle 8 times all season. How can you say that is the way to beat the Hawks, when no one in the league tried it?

His second point in that Denver needed to pick on Maxwell was somewhat correct. If you are going to challenge with throws to the outside, it only makes sense to go after Maxwell. As amazing as he played, he was still not up to Sherman's standard. With that said, teams were statistically far better off to try and beat the Hawks with short crossing patterns in the middle, which is exactly what Denver tried to do. Furthermore, Manning does not have the arm to test teams deep consistently. He may have been able to get a few of them out there, with the major risk of throwing a "duck" up for grabs.

The reality is, Denver had no real option to attack Seattle's D besides being able to consistently run the football, which they made 0 attempt to do so. Seattle can be run on, especially when they have the nascar package out there in passing situations. I know hindsight is 20/20, but Denver would have been far better off coming out to start the game in a conventional jumbo package with an extra blocker and just ran a simple dive play. That way you get the jitters of the first play out, and see how the crowd was going to react to things, while maybe picking up 3-4 yards.

As for Dilfer slobbering all over his 2000 Ravens D, someone should remind him that in week 2 of that season, the D gave up 36 points to a 7-9 Jacksonville team. What did the Seahawks do in week 2 this year? Oh, that's right...
 

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Maxwell isn't infallible. He's started what 8 games now. He's still developing as far as I'm concerned, given his injury history.

But you can talk about the Hawks being susceptible to quite a few throws. But our guys know the weaknesses as well. They'll figure out what's happening in a hurry and the next time it's run, they'll be in position to jump that route.

It's no secret how to beat cover 3 press or any of the alignments we use, a quick glance at film tells our secondary their individual weaknesses. It's then a matter of lulling the other team into trying it again and putting yourself in a position to capitalize.

The traitor is trying to sound smart, he isn't saying anything that our D or opposing QBs haven't figured out, he's just neglecting to mention that the Hawks have thrived the past 2 years adapting and turning their known imperfections into turnover opportunities. You can type it up all you want, but until teams start capitalizing on our weaknesses and beating us, it's just hype and butthurt.
 

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I thought Mike Singletary said it well. If you have confidence in your DL and QB pressures, you know with high probability what throws a QB can make (given the amount of time he has to throw). The defensive backs cannot be perfect on every pass attempt, but they certainly can become elite by understanding the timing aspects of the passing game. I guarantee Sherman knows what throws can be made from what position at any time during a WR's routes. That is how this defense is built and why it is great - not an occasional weakness on an obscure passing play.
 
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3Rivershawk":2yrmqc6t said:
Interesting that it was Dilfer that got me to quit lurking and actually post, but I have to call B.S. on his deep crossing route analysis. Football Outsiders broke this down in the divisional round. Teams only took a shot deep middle 8 times all season. How can you say that is the way to beat the Hawks, when no one in the league tried it?

His second point in that Denver needed to pick on Maxwell was somewhat correct. If you are going to challenge with throws to the outside, it only makes sense to go after Maxwell. As amazing as he played, he was still not up to Sherman's standard. With that said, teams were statistically far better off to try and beat the Hawks with short crossing patterns in the middle, which is exactly what Denver tried to do. Furthermore, Manning does not have the arm to test teams deep consistently. He may have been able to get a few of them out there, with the major risk of throwing a "duck" up for grabs.

The reality is, Denver had no real option to attack Seattle's D besides being able to consistently run the football, which they made 0 attempt to do so. Seattle can be run on, especially when they have the nascar package out there in passing situations.

So basically the offenses that have the best chance at beating us are balanced teams with great running backs and QBs that can throw deep, to a deep threat. Last year, that team was Houston. Even though we came back and won, they had a lot of success passing and running against us.

Next year, that team could be Green Bay, Philly and maybe San Diego. The rest of our opponents don't really have that formula.
 

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Lady Talon":2tpqni9y said:
Maxwell isn't infallible. He's started what 8 games now. He's still developing as far as I'm concerned, given his injury history.

But you can talk about the Hawks being susceptible to quite a few throws. But our guys know the weaknesses as well.

Yea Maxwell will only get better.

I'm pretty sure they do know their weaknesses. We have smart players. I wonder if Sherm deliberately draws attention to bait teams to throw his to his side of the field.
 

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I am positive the whole L.O.B. is pretty good at baiting QBs to throw where they think they're safe.
 

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Lady Talon":30kkgmkk said:
I am positive the whole L.O.B. is pretty good at baiting QBs to throw where they think they're safe.
That is their exact strategy even the decent announcers are getting it. We actually do exactly as we say and nobody can believe it.
 

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Well, if your choices are to throw on Maxwell or on Sherman, what would you do? ;)
 

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Tokadub":3481wv4j said:
Dilfer is just butthurt against the Hawks since we benched him for his majority of time in Seattle.

I wouldn't really trust Dilfer's analysis for finding any weaknesses in a defense he has more career interceptions than touchdowns :)

He also had a career completion rate of 55.5% haha. Kaepernick and Eli Manning are not even ranked in the top 30 in completion percentage last season and they are both over 57%

Dilfer really wasn't good but he gets carried to one Super Bowl now he thinks he's the man I guess.


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