Davis Hsu is suggesting Pete might trade Wilson

[WestcoastSteve]

RW is on pace to break every Seahawk passing record despite the mountains of adversity he has faced. There is no valid reason to trade him.

We're going to miss the playoffs, who cares?

Wow

Dumb logic. potentially missing the playoffs this year doesn't mean you don't need him this year.

Russ has several good years left in him and he's durable. It's much easier to build a solid defense or build an online than it is to draft a franchise qb. The browns, bears, jaguars are all still looking for one after all these years.

As much as I think Rodgers can ball I'm kind of glad we don't have a qb always one awkward fall from the IR.

 

[adeltaY]

It's very unfair to expect Russ to win the division for us every year like Brady has for the Pats because the AFC East is nowhere near as strong as the NFC West. Think about it, when Russ comes into the league, the Niners are SB contenders and the Cards start climbing the next year. They peak in 2015. 2016 was the only year you could compare the futility of the rest of the division to the AFCE, but unfortunately that's the year Russ got hurt. 2017 you have the Rams become dominant and the Niners are looking up. There's no comparison between the difficulty of the divisions.

 

[vin.couve12]

I'm probably the most critical of RW, but you don't do this right now.

He's something like 16th in pay and QB pay inflates every year. I'd like to see him go back to being a playmaking game manager in a balanced offense. Sure, I don't think he's THAT guy, but I don't really think any QB is. On top of that, you don't even have to have THAT guy to get rings. It's madness.

We don't need Graham and the Richardsons. Put ACTUAL emphasis on a balanced offense back into the game. Get tough guys on OL like we used to instead of these slender athletes that run a 4.8 as OL for no damn reason. Draft another RB and maybe even another, even though I think Carson is the guy. Gotta do it.

And that conviction needs to stay. This QB lordship nonsense is actually a detriment to said QB...any QB. Even our playcalling is almost a QB scapegoat like a stupid fan. "Help us, Obi-Wilson-K'frickin'obi. You're our only hope." It needs to be developed and stuck with, again, with conviction.

Maybe you draft another QB in the 3rd or 4th or something, if a guy is there, and he sits for a couple years as contingency, but you don't trade Wilson right now. It's just dumb. Even *i* know it's not all his fault.

There....may be the nicest thing I've said about him.

 

[olyfan63]

ANTHONY.

For the love of God. You could make your same argument with 20% of the post volume you have. You do not need to reply to every single peep a person makes. This is why you're on people's ignore list. You're borderline spamming and choking these threads up.

At the VERY least, learn how to copy-paste BB tags so that you can stuff a bunch of responses into one post. Please?

Amen

This.

 

[Anthony!]

ANTHONY.

For the love of God. You could make your same argument with 20% of the post volume you have. You do not need to reply to every single peep a person makes. This is why you're on people's ignore list. You're borderline spamming and choking these threads up.

At the VERY least, learn how to copy-paste BB tags so that you can stuff a bunch of responses into one post. Please?

Amen

This.

Too bad last I checked this is an open forum I will post when I want, don't like it don't read it I foed a lot of people I don't want to read, and now that includes you, and if they and you want to foe me, no worries your loss not mine.

 

[Jville]

I thought the whole idea was to buy low and sell high.

If that's the case, they may have waited too long for an optimum trade opportunity. To date .... The Russell Wilson show has managed only 1 win out of 3 matches for this December. It's stumbling along with it's finish this year.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Well, not only is the Davis Poo guy trying to just get clicks to his article, it's just plain stupid.
4-12 team w/out Russ. Period

 

[randomation]

Well, not only is the Davis Poo guy trying to just get clicks to his article, it's just plain stupid.
4-12 team w/out Russ. Period

What 4 do we win?

 

[scutterhawk]

Trade RW? No. I believe he's grossly underpaid for what his value to the Seahawk offense. There would be no offense without Russell. He is the entire offense. We already have seen the offense without Russell (before he was drafted) and it wasn't pretty.

Grossly underpaid?

Wilson's currently the 9th highest paid QB in the NFL at 21M a year, and his base salary is about to double next year...............AND he just deferred 3-4M so we could fit Brown under our cap. So he gets that back over the next two years as well.

He is the Seahawk offense because of that I believe he is grossly underpaid. I don't care what he's being paid relative to the market. That doesn't determine his value to the Seahawks, IMO. He is more valuable to the Seahawks than he would be with other teams. Where would the Seahawks be without him? That's what I'm trying to say. If you factor that, then yes I believe he is grossly underpaid.

PLUS, if you throw in the conversation of him being on the list of being the MVP this Season, actually supports your point of contention.

 

[hawkfan68]

Trade RW? No. I believe he's grossly underpaid for what his value to the Seahawk offense. There would be no offense without Russell. He is the entire offense. We already have seen the offense without Russell (before he was drafted) and it wasn't pretty.

Grossly underpaid?

Wilson's currently the 9th highest paid QB in the NFL at 21M a year, and his base salary is about to double next year...............AND he just deferred 3-4M so we could fit Brown under our cap. So he gets that back over the next two years as well.

He is the Seahawk offense because of that I believe he is grossly underpaid. I don't care what he's being paid relative to the market. That doesn't determine his value to the Seahawks, IMO. He is more valuable to the Seahawks than he would be with other teams. Where would the Seahawks be without him? That's what I'm trying to say. If you factor that, then yes I believe he is grossly underpaid.

PLUS, if you throw in the conversation of him being on the list of being the MVP this Season, actually supports your point of contention.

Very good point, Scutter. :2thumbs:

 

[RussB]

I'll never understand the Brady Goat talk.. his team has gone 14-5 in 19 games hes missed... he is the epitome of a system qb.... always has been.. never hurt that his div has basically been trash save for 2 years when the jets were good. He doesn't carry that team.. he is simply extremely good at running that system . Numbers don t lie .

hes a great QB in a great system, what happened when he wasnt the starter that one year ? They didnt win shit. Brady is the greatest of all time and the clutchest QB of all time. Hes exactly what you want in a franchise QB. Sure he has a great system and a great coach as well but that just makes him even better and thats why him and belichick have so many rings together.

Brady is legit the GOAT.

 

[Anthony!]

I'll never understand the Brady Goat talk.. his team has gone 14-5 in 19 games hes missed... he is the epitome of a system qb.... always has been.. never hurt that his div has basically been trash save for 2 years when the jets were good. He doesn't carry that team.. he is simply extremely good at running that system . Numbers don t lie .

hes a great QB in a great system, what happened when he wasnt the starter that one year ? They didnt win shit. Brady is the greatest of all time and the clutchest QB of all time. Hes exactly what you want in a franchise QB. Sure he has a great system and a great coach as well but that just makes him even better and thats why him and belichick have so many rings together.

Brady is legit the GOAT.

The reality is until we see him on a another team or in another system we will not know, THat is the reason I put him #2 behind Montanan who provided it on 2 teams.

 

[adeltaY]

What did Montana win with the Chiefs? Why do we need to denigrate Brady so much around here? Reeks of insecurity.

 

[Sox-n-Hawks]

I'll never understand the Brady Goat talk.. his team has gone 14-5 in 19 games hes missed... he is the epitome of a system qb.... always has been.. never hurt that his div has basically been trash save for 2 years when the jets were good. He doesn't carry that team.. he is simply extremely good at running that system . Numbers don t lie .

hes a great QB in a great system, what happened when he wasnt the starter that one year ? They didnt win shit. Brady is the greatest of all time and the clutchest QB of all time. Hes exactly what you want in a franchise QB. Sure he has a great system and a great coach as well but that just makes him even better and thats why him and belichick have so many rings together.

Brady is legit the GOAT.

The reality is until we see him on a another team or in another system we will not know, THat is the reason I put him #2 behind Montanan who provided it on 2 teams.

Brady may have won more championships, but watching Manning was like watching a master in action.

 

[Anthony!]

What did Montana win with the Chiefs? Why do we need to denigrate Brady so much around here? Reeks of insecurity.

He took them to the playoffs on 2 team's, 2 different systems and had top 5 stats on both teams

 

[CalgaryHawk]

I mean if the Browns offered all their first and second round draft picks for the next two drafts, you’d have to at least consider it. There’s quite a few QBs coming out this year and that Jackson dude from Louisville seems like a Wilson clone and should be available in the middle to late first. It’s improbable but every player is available for a high enough price.

 

[hgwellz12]

I mean if the Browns offered all their first and second round draft picks for the next two drafts, you’d have to at least consider it. There’s quite a few QBs coming out this year and that Jackson dude from Louisville seems like a Wilson clone and should be available in the middle to late first. It’s improbable but every player is available for a high enough price.

I get it, and I know it's "a business" blah blah blah...but, that would be cold blooded as shit to make Russell go to the Browns. I wouldn't wish that on Erin Rogers.


OK, maybe I would. But not Russell.

 

[NINEster]

What did Montana win with the Chiefs? Why do we need to denigrate Brady so much around here? Reeks of insecurity.

He took them to the playoffs on 2 team's, 2 different systems and had top 5 stats on both teams

Montana won the following games:

1993 - Beat Oilers in the playoffs in Houston....come from behind against nasty defense
1994 - Beat Steve Young head to head....49ers SB champs that year
1994 - Beat John Elway head to head on MNF....classic game

Montana did drop a game to Marino in '93 or '94, which is fair......payback for SB 19. :mrgreen:

You watch any of those Montana victories and you see a QB who is operating at a high level, although with physical imitations and less than a pure all star cast.

He played really well as a Chief, and when I like to prop up Montana in these GOAT discussions against Brady I much prefer to use his KC resume and early Niner years vs that '87-'90 stretch with Rice, Taylor, Jones, Craig, etc.

Keep in mind that if you were a decent but not great team in the '90s, you weren't gonna win s***. The AFC couldn't win a SB in the '90s until the Elway led Broncos picked up Shanahan and Terrell Davis.

Buffalo was the AFC elite back then and held off all contenders from '90 to '93, and then SD and Pittsburgh snuck in somehow.

Montana not winning an SB with KC shouldn't be held against him. And if he did, he should be the undeniable GOAT for the next 40 years.

Peyton Manning being the first ever to do it, did it on the back of his defense literally. He failed to do it as a great QB, ironically.

 

[NINEster]

What did Montana win with the Chiefs? Why do we need to denigrate Brady so much around here? Reeks of insecurity.

Brady shouldn't be denigrated.

However, this automatic GOAT talk speaks more to his ability to play at a high level longer than anyone versus a truly higher "peak".

Viewed in the context of being a great QB forever, Brady has no peer. In that context, Montana was merely a 12-13 year wonder, and Steve Young an even bigger "bum" only giving his franchise a little over 8 years as entrenched starter. :mrgreen:

But look at pure dominance....throwing ability, clutchness, mobility and it's not so clear...and anyone who disagrees is not paying enough attention to the game.

People talk so much about Rodgers mobility and arm being better than Brady, but both Young & Montana had clear advantages over Brady in that department too. Montana being the least mobile of the Rodgers/Young/Montana trio, still was way more mobile than Brady and might have had the best pocket footwork (comparable with Young).

Rodgers might have had the best pure arm talent of all, and interestingly enough the back shoulder throw wasn't common in the '80s or '90s.

Brady's SB comeback was legendary.....it certainly did a lot to legitimize the fact that the dude can straight up ball and be clutch as hell in the biggest moments.

Having said that, he still has to account for two SB losses to the Giants.......and you better believe if the Niners dropped one or two SBs to the Bengals (close enough that it almost happened), it would have been held against him .......by NINER fans no less!!! And those Bengal teams were better than the Giants as evidenced by the only AFC losing team in the '80s to not get their a*** kicked.

For Brady to be the best ever he would have to be *that* much more clutch and *that* much more accurate to account for him not being mobile at all and not having the very best arm talent/touch.

He was/is not.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Brady flat out is the best of all time. Period end of story.