Colin kaepernick gets contract extension

[kearly]

Kaepernick's deal is basically just a 3 year deal with four "team option" years tacked on the end. Like Baldwin Kaepernick's deal is taking advantage of the one cheap year he had left, which coupled with backloading the deal means his first three seasons only pay him a combined $43 million, less than $15 million per year.

After that, he gets paid $21 million or more each season, but with very little guaranteed money. SF could cut him after those affordable first three seasons and would only eat $4.9 million in dead money (barring injury).

Looking at this deal, I'm not saying it's a bad deal for Kaepernick, but it strikes me as him taking less "real" money for a bigger contract number. Similar to Revis in his dealings. Not to disparage Kaep, but that strikes me as an ego motivated move.

Edit: Kaep's original contract had him making about $900k in 2014. So when you subtract the $1 million he'd make from the $43 million over the first three years it works out to $21 million a year for two years plus the cheap year. So basically, this deal is the same as Kaepernick making $21 million a year every year plus the one cheap year in 2014.

Source on the wife veto? I have not read that anywhere and I try to read any and all articles pertaining to the Niners.

That particular detail was speculated by Mike Florio, who was the person that originally broke the story in February. Whether that detail is true or not, Cleveland admitted to the trade attempt and after initially denying them, the 49ers later admitted that talks did happen.

 

[loafoftatupu]

LOL, it never changes with you.... Defend, deflect, repeat...... defend, deflect, repeat.... SMH.

Refer to my post in between yours and this one and tell me where the logic is wrong, or how Marvin is wrong when he says you guys would gladly take this deal with RW.

Look, Marvin has a new tag team partner! Neato! :34853_doh:

They can just sit there, pretending to actually matter when really nothing they say or do will mean a thing here.

I am just waiting for one more of Marvin's "That is fair, I can't argue with that" as if his role is to just come here and argue opinion.

Look Niner fans, you have a mental FREAK at QB, that guy is going to pop any damn game now, Bowman is injured, Smith is going to miss some time, Cowboy is old, the Oline is pissed, Davis is missing work and the secondary is average at best. Roman could call his way out of a paper bag and Harbaugh still looks over his head because he is scared that Ditka will jump out and scream at him for calling an audible.

No one REALLY cares about the Kaepertract. It is slow here so there is some commentary, but please.. spare us the red-carpet topic crap.

:49ersmall:

 

[JZ#1]

LOL, it never changes with you.... Defend, deflect, repeat...... defend, deflect, repeat.... SMH.

Refer to my post in between yours and this one and tell me where the logic is wrong, or how Marvin is wrong when he says you guys would gladly take this deal with RW.

Look, Marvin has a new tag team partner! Neato! :34853_doh:

They can just sit there, pretending to actually matter when really nothing they say or do will mean a thing here.

I am just waiting for one more of Marvin's "That is fair, I can't argue with that" as if his role is to just come here and argue opinion.

Look Niner fans, you have a mental FREAK at QB, that guy is going to pop any damn game now, Bowman is injured, Smith is going to miss some time, Cowboy is old, the Oline is pissed, Davis is missing work and the secondary is average at best. Roman could call his way out of a paper bag and Harbaugh still looks over his head because he is scared that Ditka will jump out and scream at him for calling an audible.

No one REALLY cares about the Kaepertract. It is slow here so there is some commentary, but please.. spare us the red-carpet topic crap.

:49ersmall:

You in real life

 

[Throwdown]

Loaf a fine ass woman who loves the seahawks?

 

[Smelly McUgly]

Marvin, any time you spend here trying to convince these guys that Kaepernick and Harbaugh aren't Hitler and Stalin themselves is falling on deaf ears. They don't want to hear it or believe it. They will constantly feed themselves lies or misrepresentations that supports their agenda, never mind any weight given to having an impartial view on things. Can it be that both the 49ers and Seahawks are run by great coaches and great people? That both Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick are great promising quarterbacks and good people? No because, the majority of people here aren't just satisfied with winning, they thirst to find happiness in other peoples misfortune or a construed sense that XYZ isn't as successful as them. They work their lousy jobs and come on here to feed off of "49er trolls" like its their god given obligation. Even so much, that they falsely accuse anyone not sharing their view point as a troll for the rival teams. You don't agree with me? F you, you are a 49ers troll. They get satisfaction out of being so disconnected from reality that I suspect is just a shield to replace something missing in their own life.

We get it, you're a 49er fan. Move on.

 

[Shadowhawk]

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/tip-hat-kap

As quoted above....

"But sources told CSNBayArea.com that Kaepernick wanted it this way. Kaepernick, who recorded one of the top Wonderlic intelligence scores of all NFL starting quarterbacks, knew the exact details and ramifications of his contract.

And while the agent community is panning the performance of his representation in accepting this kind of team-friendly deal, Kaepernick made good on his promises.

A source with knowledge of Kaepernick’s mindset said the 49ers quarterback wanted his deal to be “flexible so that (the 49ers) could sign other guys.” Kaepernick's contract does not exhaust the 49ers' salary this season and figures to be manageable in future years, too."


If Russell Wilson would have done this he'd be a hero. You wouldn't be slamming the agent.

Now hang on a minute. I can buy that Kaepernick wanted a deal that would help the 49ers retain some of their key players and I can buy that he knew some aspects of his contract, but I have a hard time accepting Maiocco's assertion that Kaepernick knew the "exact details and ramifications of his contract." But even if he did, that doesn't mean that his agent did a good job of representing his interests. There are some aspects of this contract that aren't just team-friendly, they are downright player-UNfriendly.

For example, the guarantees in this contract convert from injury-only to full guarantees on April 1 of each contract year. This means the team can squat on his rights for the first few weeks of the free agency period, weigh their options, and potentially dump him three weeks into free agency long after all of the big money contracts have been signed. Why not have the guarantees become full on the first day of the league year? To cite another example, the de-escalators in the contract are only stopped if he plays 80% of the snaps and either wins a Super Bowl or is 1st- or 2nd-team All Pro. So Kaepernick could have a Pro Bowl season, lead his team to the NFC Championship game, and lose $2 million. As has been stated in this thread, making the All-Pro roster is tough. Why not tie it into making the Pro Bowl instead?

Even if Colin Kaepernick did know all of the details of this contract--which, again, I doubt--his agent's job is to look out for his interests, not the team's interests. And it's possible to sign a team-friendly deal without giving up so much in the process. You can argue that Kaepernick wanted to help out his team and still argue that his agent didn't do a very good job representing him; the two are not mutually exclusive.

 

[JZ#1]

Marvin, any time you spend here trying to convince these guys that Kaepernick and Harbaugh aren't Hitler and Stalin themselves is falling on deaf ears. They don't want to hear it or believe it. They will constantly feed themselves lies or misrepresentations that supports their agenda, never mind any weight given to having an impartial view on things. Can it be that both the 49ers and Seahawks are run by great coaches and great people? That both Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick are great promising quarterbacks and good people? No because, the majority of people here aren't just satisfied with winning, they thirst to find happiness in other peoples misfortune or a construed sense that XYZ isn't as successful as them. They work their lousy jobs and come on here to feed off of "49er trolls" like its their god given obligation. Even so much, that they falsely accuse anyone not sharing their view point as a troll for the rival teams. You don't agree with me? F you, you are a 49ers troll. They get satisfaction out of being so disconnected from reality that I suspect is just a shield to replace something missing in their own life.

We get it, you're a 49er fan. Move on.

You are missing the point and you are wrong

 

[Smelly McUgly]

Marvin, any time you spend here trying to convince these guys that Kaepernick and Harbaugh aren't Hitler and Stalin themselves is falling on deaf ears. They don't want to hear it or believe it. They will constantly feed themselves lies or misrepresentations that supports their agenda, never mind any weight given to having an impartial view on things. Can it be that both the 49ers and Seahawks are run by great coaches and great people? That both Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick are great promising quarterbacks and good people? No because, the majority of people here aren't just satisfied with winning, they thirst to find happiness in other peoples misfortune or a construed sense that XYZ isn't as successful as them. They work their lousy jobs and come on here to feed off of "49er trolls" like its their god given obligation. Even so much, that they falsely accuse anyone not sharing their view point as a troll for the rival teams. You don't agree with me? F you, you are a 49ers troll. They get satisfaction out of being so disconnected from reality that I suspect is just a shield to replace something missing in their own life.

We get it, you're a 49er fan. Move on.

You are missing the point and you are wrong

I get the point. You are whining about being exposed for being a 49er fan by Hernia and Lofa by trolling them and other Seahawk fans about how they are unreasonable because their lives suck even though this very thread shows examples of Seahawk fans being reasonable about this deal.

You are so desperate to stay "undercover" that you posted a modified version of someone's, maybe your, birth certificate. What a depressing life you have. So desperate to troll that you go around posting birth certificates on internet message boads.

Just admit that you're a 49er fan. Marvin still comes here and prattles on even after the abuse. Hell, there's a whole 49er Defense Force here and out in the open because the folks that run this board want to create a space for you to come in and talk.

Instead, you're shook over being called out on a message board. Look inside yourself - you're a grown man that is shook because you got found out about going undercover as a "Seahawks fan" on a message board. Hasn't your life gone wrong somewhere? There is still time to turn things around!

 

[Fudwamper]

I don't see how his signing helps the team resign players anymore than a normal signing. What am I missing. The only thing about this signing is the unusual descalators, having to pay for injury protection for the niners organization, and 4 years worth of you can cut me options. All those things are good for the organization after he is gone not while he is there. I have to say I feel sorry for the guy, it looks like his agent did a poor job of getting him guaranteed money and structuring it so it helps him win while he is with the team.

 

[Mike 4G]

Could it be that the 49ers wanted to pay him less and he was the one who pushed for more and added the incentives through the negotiations? They could have said we will not pay you more than X and he countered with ok, but if I do Y then I will get these bonuses? Total speculation, but that could be a possibility. He seems to be a pretty confident person and no one will believe in you more than you ever will.

 

[bigtrain21]

I don't see how his signing helps the team resign players anymore than a normal signing. What am I missing. The only thing about this signing is the unusual descalators, having to pay for injury protection for the niners organization, and 4 years worth of you can cut me options. All those things are good for the organization after he is gone not while he is there. I have to say I feel sorry for the guy, it looks like his agent did a poor job of getting him guaranteed money and structuring it so it helps him win while he is with the team.

Yeah, basically, if he sucks they can get out of the contract which is good for them but then they would be left in the position of having to find another QB which would suck for them.

If he does well then they would keep him and his contract would be expensive of course.

Marvin do you have a problem with those two statements?

 

[chris98251]

Kaep got taken as far as how the contract was set up, the 49ers did a great job in protecting themselves, long contract lots of outs, lower salary, Kaep has to basically insure himself for the 49ers, incentives that will be hard to acheive.

Go back and see how Daunte Culpepper faired being a big mobile QB, or Randall Cunningham, injury can happen to ANYONE.

As far as what Kaep wanted, I'm sure his initial statement was correct he and most players want to be able to sign their own players and FA to help the team. But much like his post game loss interviews he would never admit it if he was taken advantage of or his agent.

 

[Front7vLOB]

I don't see how his signing helps the team resign players anymore than a normal signing. What am I missing. The only thing about this signing is the unusual descalators, having to pay for injury protection for the niners organization, and 4 years worth of you can cut me options. All those things are good for the organization after he is gone not while he is there. I have to say I feel sorry for the guy, it looks like his agent did a poor job of getting him guaranteed money and structuring it so it helps him win while he is with the team.

Yeah, basically, if he sucks they can get out of the contract which is good for them but then they would be left in the position of having to find another QB which would suck for them.

If he does well then they would keep him and his contract would be expensive of course.

Marvin do you have a problem with those two statements?

First of all, I agree and disagree...

Yes, there was a way the 49ers and Kap could have structured a deal that would guarantee more money, yet keep the $ figures relatively low to allow resignings/extensions of other players. So, in that sense, you are both correct.

However, Kap is looking at a 3 year $45m deal. Everything else in the contract is conditional, optional, etc.

Think about that for a second. The 49ers got a top 10 QB in this league for only $15m a year. That is incredible, and it undoubtedly saves up to $5m a year considering most NFL analysts and fans expected Kap to sign a $20m-$22m deal (not saying people think/thought he deserved that, just saying that was what people thought the market dictated).

So, in the end, I do mostly have a problem with those two statements.

49ers have an extra $5m to throw around at other players. That's a lot of money. And when you consider that Gore's $6m annual salary is off the books next year, that's $11m free to spend on extensions.

The 49ers could not have asked for a better deal. Literally couldn't.

Have a problem with my statement?

 

[Front7vLOB]

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/tip-hat-kap

As quoted above....

"But sources told CSNBayArea.com that Kaepernick wanted it this way. Kaepernick, who recorded one of the top Wonderlic intelligence scores of all NFL starting quarterbacks, knew the exact details and ramifications of his contract.

And while the agent community is panning the performance of his representation in accepting this kind of team-friendly deal, Kaepernick made good on his promises.

A source with knowledge of Kaepernick’s mindset said the 49ers quarterback wanted his deal to be “flexible so that (the 49ers) could sign other guys.” Kaepernick's contract does not exhaust the 49ers' salary this season and figures to be manageable in future years, too."


If Russell Wilson would have done this he'd be a hero. You wouldn't be slamming the agent.

Now hang on a minute. I can buy that Kaepernick wanted a deal that would help the 49ers retain some of their key players and I can buy that he knew some aspects of his contract, but I have a hard time accepting Maiocco's assertion that Kaepernick knew the "exact details and ramifications of his contract." But even if he did, that doesn't mean that his agent did a good job of representing his interests. There are some aspects of this contract that aren't just team-friendly, they are downright player-UNfriendly.

For example, the guarantees in this contract convert from injury-only to full guarantees on April 1 of each contract year. This means the team can squat on his rights for the first few weeks of the free agency period, weigh their options, and potentially dump him three weeks into free agency long after all of the big money contracts have been signed. Why not have the guarantees become full on the first day of the league year? To cite another example, the de-escalators in the contract are only stopped if he plays 80% of the snaps and either wins a Super Bowl or is 1st- or 2nd-team All Pro. So Kaepernick could have a Pro Bowl season, lead his team to the NFC Championship game, and lose $2 million. As has been stated in this thread, making the All-Pro roster is tough. Why not tie it into making the Pro Bowl instead?

Even if Colin Kaepernick did know all of the details of this contract--which, again, I doubt--his agent's job is to look out for his interests, not the team's interests. And it's possible to sign a team-friendly deal without giving up so much in the process. You can argue that Kaepernick wanted to help out his team and still argue that his agent didn't do a very good job representing him; the two are not mutually exclusive.

There is no way Kap signed a contract without knowing all of the terms and conditions in the contract. No fricking way. This dude probably has his own private attorneys and accountants, outside of his agents, who read the contract and offered their own opinions/representations..

Also, you are forgetting this is the NFL.

Let's play your hypothetical. Let's say, after the first 3 years, and after earning his $43m (that's pretty much what his contract is), the 49ers made it and lost in the NFCCG to the Seahawks in each of those 3 years. Let's also say Kap was voted to the Pro Bowl in each of those three years. Kap can hold out and demand a new new contract. And, if Kap truly performed well enough to earn Pro Bowl recognition and have playoff success, the 49ers would be compelled to restructure his deal.

All this contract did was by the 49ers and Kap 3 more years. Some will argue it's because the 49ers don't know what they have in Kap and are unwilling to risk a good chunk of their cap space on an unproven talent. Others can argue it is because the 49ers and Kap want to win a Super Bowl as soon as possible, and the likelihood of that happening is within this 3 year period. If the 49ers win the SB, then they will reward Kap and hope he is a dominant enough QB to carry a team back to the SB, rather than relying on a talented, well-rounded supporting cast.

 

[Scottemojo]

It's a good deal for the Noners, and a good deal for Kaep if he wins some Bowls and gets into that Loot pile after the first 2 years.

I don't think Baalke is the drafting genius the Santa Clara fans do, but has been pretty good at keeping a team loaded with first round egos under the cap. That is not easy. Props.

 

[loafoftatupu]

You in real life

Response is in the Shack.

 

[bigtrain21]

I don't see how his signing helps the team resign players anymore than a normal signing. What am I missing. The only thing about this signing is the unusual descalators, having to pay for injury protection for the niners organization, and 4 years worth of you can cut me options. All those things are good for the organization after he is gone not while he is there. I have to say I feel sorry for the guy, it looks like his agent did a poor job of getting him guaranteed money and structuring it so it helps him win while he is with the team.

Yeah, basically, if he sucks they can get out of the contract which is good for them but then they would be left in the position of having to find another QB which would suck for them.

If he does well then they would keep him and his contract would be expensive of course.

Marvin do you have a problem with those two statements?

First of all, I agree and disagree...

Yes, there was a way the 49ers and Kap could have structured a deal that would guarantee more money, yet keep the $ figures relatively low to allow resignings/extensions of other players. So, in that sense, you are both correct.

However, Kap is looking at a 3 year $45m deal. Everything else in the contract is conditional, optional, etc.

Think about that for a second. The 49ers got a top 10 QB in this league for only $15m a year. That is incredible, and it undoubtedly saves up to $5m a year considering most NFL analysts and fans expected Kap to sign a $20m-$22m deal (not saying people think/thought he deserved that, just saying that was what people thought the market dictated).

So, in the end, I do mostly have a problem with those two statements.

49ers have an extra $5m to throw around at other players. That's a lot of money. And when you consider that Gore's $6m annual salary is off the books next year, that's $11m free to spend on extensions.

The 49ers could not have asked for a better deal. Literally couldn't.

Have a problem with my statement?

First off, let me be clear that I am not criticizing the deal, but I think you are confusing why the deal is team friendly. He has the 10th highest cap hit in 2015 out of any QB so it's not like he is dirt cheap. His cap hit in 2015 is over 17 million and in 2016 it is over 18 million. In 2017 it jumps to 21 million. You want to say 3 year deal because it includes this year which is lower at under 4. However, that is still a significant raise. He was scheduled to make one million this year. If the 49ers wanted to consider it a 3 year deal they could have let him play this year and franchised him the next 2 and been better off. He is getting paid higher than Aaron Rodgers in 2016 and beyond.

The reason it's a good contract for the 49ers is the flexibility to dump him after any season. Money wise, it's about right.

 

[5_Golden_Rings]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 53s

Since Colin Kaepernick’s 1st start in 2012, he’s 3rd-highest rated QB w/ total QBR of 69.6, trailing only Manning (83.3) and Rodgers (71.3).

He should thank Trent Dilhole for coming up with a rating system for QB's that emphasizes running so much.

And yet by DVOA Kaepernick is 7th in passing and 19th in rushing. (for DYAR he is 8th and 7th respectfully)

Hmmm....


http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

Seems Total QBR tends to correlate pretty well with most other total passing statistics. Can't understand why people hate it so much, other than the lack of specific information.

We don't. But QBR is supposed to weight clutch performance in the 4th qtr. In a game where he blew chunks in the 4th, QBR rewards him for running yards in the first half.

I only pulled that one example because it shows how QBR sucks, but I can top that.

In Colins first three NFL appearances, he was 1 for 2 passing with 7 yards. In those 3 games he also had 10 runs for 63 yards and 2 TDs. His QBR in each game is 100. QBR is a joke.

In the playoff game, up until the fourth quarter his QBR was probably near 100 (and rightfully so: he was literally THE ONLY reason the 49ers were even in the game). He threw the game losing pick, but without him this would have been a Seattle blow out. It seems reasonable that a metric would show that in the final analysis.

 

[Fudwamper]

I don't see how his signing helps the team resign players anymore than a normal signing. What am I missing. The only thing about this signing is the unusual descalators, having to pay for injury protection for the niners organization, and 4 years worth of you can cut me options. All those things are good for the organization after he is gone not while he is there. I have to say I feel sorry for the guy, it looks like his agent did a poor job of getting him guaranteed money and structuring it so it helps him win while he is with the team.

Yeah, basically, if he sucks they can get out of the contract which is good for them but then they would be left in the position of having to find another QB which would suck for them.

If he does well then they would keep him and his contract would be expensive of course.

Marvin do you have a problem with those two statements?

First of all, I agree and disagree...

Yes, there was a way the 49ers and Kap could have structured a deal that would guarantee more money, yet keep the $ figures relatively low to allow resignings/extensions of other players. So, in that sense, you are both correct.

However, Kap is looking at a 3 year $45m deal. Everything else in the contract is conditional, optional, etc.

Think about that for a second. The 49ers got a top 10 QB in this league for only $15m a year. That is incredible, and it undoubtedly saves up to $5m a year considering most NFL analysts and fans expected Kap to sign a $20m-$22m deal (not saying people think/thought he deserved that, just saying that was what people thought the market dictated).

So, in the end, I do mostly have a problem with those two statements.

49ers have an extra $5m to throw around at other players. That's a lot of money. And when you consider that Gore's $6m annual salary is off the books next year, that's $11m free to spend on extensions.

The 49ers could not have asked for a better deal. Literally couldn't.

Have a problem with my statement?

That is what I am talking about. This deal is NOT 3 years 45 for Kap its 3 years 45 for the 49ers. The team has all the levearge. Again I feel bad for Kap this deal is all in favor of the 9ers and none for him. His agent did a bad job.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Who give a rats a** if he had a good QB rating going into the 4th Quarter? He choked, yet again, just like he did in the Superbowl. Some guys are clutch, some are not, period.