Coaching or QB making Bengals better than Seahawks?

[Jville]

The reality is PC is not a good X and O person, he knows what he wants and does not care if it doe not work or if the personnel does not matches it.

That said What PC is and perhaps the best in the NFL is as a motivator. Unfortunately, he is not willing to just do that and allow his OC and DC to do their jobs.

Says who????? Anyone sitting in on VMAC meetings?

I keep reading about X's and O's on a forum that never actually discusses X's and O's.

Try listening to the KJ Wright interview. Listen to the season-ending wrap-up by the guys doing the KJ wright interview. Listen to what Greg Olsen said I can go on. Read PCs Book.

I'm not referring to players or coaches. I'm referring to posters making X & O judgements. Such judgement statements are not credible.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Disagree. It is dead simple to make X & O judgments. You only need to look at X & O results.

How has that been going?

 

[John63]

The reality is PC is not a good X and O person, he knows what he wants and does not care if it doe not work or if the personnel does not matches it.

That said What PC is and perhaps the best in the NFL is as a motivator. Unfortunately, he is not willing to just do that and allow his OC and DC to do their jobs.

Says who????? Anyone sitting in on VMAC meetings?

I keep reading about X's and O's on a forum that never actually discusses X's and O's.

Try listening to the KJ Wright interview. Listen to the season-ending wrap-up by the guys doing the KJ wright interview. Listen to what Greg Olsen said I can go on. Read PCs Book.

I'm not referring to players or coaches. I'm referring to posters making X & O judgements. Such judgement statements are not credible.

so we should ignore what the coaches and players say and instead only listen to what posters say... :lol:

 

[Jville]

Says who????? Anyone sitting in on VMAC meetings?

I keep reading about X's and O's on a forum that never actually discusses X's and O's.

Try listening to the KJ Wright interview. Listen to the season-ending wrap-up by the guys doing the KJ wright interview. Listen to what Greg Olsen said I can go on. Read PCs Book.

I'm not referring to players or coaches. I'm referring to posters making X & O judgements. Such judgement statements are not credible.

so we should ignore what the coaches and payers say and instead only listen to what posters say... :lol:

You may have just characterized the state of the forum.

 

[chris98251]

If Shaun Alexander was on this team and Pete said he was a good blocker and pass receiver regardless of what we seen all the Pete Huggers would defend that also.............

 

[Jville]

If Shaun Alexander was on this team and Pete said he was a good blocker and pass receiver regardless of what we seen all the Pete Huggers would defend that also.............

Your venting. :229031_shrug: Your unhappy.

 

[HawkOG70’]

Bengals defense ranked 4th dvoa

 

[olyfan63]

If Shaun Alexander was on this team and Pete said he was a good blocker and pass receiver regardless of what we seen all the Pete Huggers would defend that also.............

Your venting. :229031_shrug: Your unhappy.

Rashaad Penny inspired comparisons to peak Shaun Alexander with those last few games. What does Pete say? Praised Penny's pass blocking, of course the running. Truth is Penny is still developing as a pass blocker. Not sure he is "good" at it yet. Only seen him catch a few balls, but those results seemed positive.

SpinDoctor's post above nailed a lot of things discussing Pete's strengths and weaknesses.

Believing Pete can turn this around doesn't mean us ProPeters are irrational. Pete's track record is that he has taken the Hawks to two SBs and won one. Are there any guarantees Pete will turn it around? Hell no. Are there precedents? Hell yes.

I think the Seahawks best chances are in Pete Carroll having a Di ck Vermeil 1999 Rams type of revival, where Pete brings in good coordinators and truly delegates. Shane Waldron in the Mike Martz role? Why not? 1999 Rams DC was Peter Giunta, his unit led the league in rush defense in 1999, allowing just 74.3 yards per game, while ranking fourth in scoring defense (15.1 ppg.) and sixth in total defense (293.6 ypg.) The 1998 Rams were 4-12, then improved in 1999 to 13-3 SB Champs in one year. Yes the emergence of Kurt Warner at QB was a huge factor.

For sure the 2021 Cincinnati Bengals are a good turnaround comparable. In 2020, 4-11-1, now in 2021-22 playoffs and just made the Super Bowl. WITH THE SAME COACHING--SAME HC, SAME OC, SAME DC. Differences? A healthy and more experienced QB Joe Burrow. A better D under the same DC who was apparently crap last year. A few good FA acquisitions. Young WRs being one year better. Lots of good young players on rookie contracts outplaying their contracts.

Obviously things need to improve on the GM side for the Hawks, to get better results in the draft and free agency.

If Pete brings in a good DC, and we do bettter on the GM side, bringing in 2022's version of Avril, Bennett, Browner, Breno, Adams is healthy all year, our young DBs are healthy and perform well, a worst-to-first turnaround for next year is a legit possibility. No guarantees, but there are precedents.

 

[Tokadub]

I think it had more to do with the matchups they faced.

I am very curious about this point.

The Bengals beat the Titans who are the #1 AFC seed, that's an accomplishment no matter how you want to slice it.

The Bengals also beat the Kansas City Chiefs who were the first team in NFL history to make it to 4 Conference Finals games in a row... That's also a big accomplishment no matter how you slice it.

So we'll see if the Rams just make them look like a bunch of jokes or if they are the real deal.

If the Rams destroy them then you could make the case the Seahawks were nearly as good as the Bengals (or maybe even better our last few weeks of the season).

 

[Tokadub]

Remember those days Hawk fans, when we had a rising young QB on his rookie contract and there were no good teams in our division, or at worst one good team?

The 49ers were probably the 2nd best team in the league when we won the Super Bowl, Denver being #3...

Are you serious? I felt like whoever won the 49ers vs Seahawks game was going to win the Super Bowl and you are saying there were no good teams in our division???

Very curious take you got there...

 

[Tokadub]

Wow ................. while the forum is open to all who come, we do see these contrasting posts between those who possess good command of disappointments and others who are overwhelmed and consumed by their disappointments.

But, I suppose there is some entertainment to be found in that.

What did I say that was not a realistic assessment of disappointments? Grow some balls you sound like a baby.

 

[OrangeGravy]

I think it had more to do with the matchups they faced.

I am very curious about this point.

The Bengals beat the Titans who are the #1 AFC seed, that's an accomplishment no matter how you want to slice it.

The Bengals also beat the Kansas City Chiefs who were the first team in NFL history to make it to 4 Conference Finals games in a row... That's also a big accomplishment no matter how you slice it.

So we'll see if the Rams just make them look like a bunch of jokes or if they are the real deal.

If the Rams destroy them then you could make the case the Seahawks were nearly as good as the Bengals (or maybe even better our last few weeks of the season).

Buffalo lost 4 SB in a row didn't they?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

On paper I think in general the NFC was a stronger division than the AFC this year, so the Rams should win?

But that's the beauty of the SB, and NFL playoffs, anything can happen.

I don't think it's a good matchup for Cincy. Their weakest unit is their O-line, and the Ram's strength is their D-line. Hope Burrows is ready to be sacked another 6-7 times.

 

[pittpnthrs]

I don't think it's a good matchup for Cincy. Their weakest unit is their O-line, and the Ram's strength is their D-line. Hope Burrows is ready to be sacked another 6-7 times.

I dont like the match up either. Its going to take a helluva coaching job and a lot of play action/roll outs to overcome that.

Remember last years playoff game when Seattle rolled Wilson out ZERO times against the Rams? Lol, good times. Kind of goes lock in step with the thread topic doesnt it?

 

[JGreen79]

Bengals defense ranked 4th dvoa

According to FootballOutsiders they ranked 19th. Seattle was ranked 21st.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/team/cin
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/team/sea

 

[HawkOG70’]

Bengals defense ranked 4th dvoa

According to FootballOutsiders they ranked 19th. Seattle was ranked 21st.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/team/cin
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/team/sea

Oh I was going for PFF my bad. Also Hawks ranked 9th PFF DVOA and 5th in scoring defense which is the more important measure

 

[ZagHawk]

Both, but the coach is ultimately responsible.

At work, who do you blame the lead? or the manager?

The QB/lead is the one orchestrating the work getting done and stepping in and doing actual work when required.

The Coach/manager is the one to make sure the right pieces are in the right places and the overall strategy is geared towards success.

When things fail, it's on both of them, however the Manager is the person ultimately responsible. one of the worst things any leader can do is blame the people under them as the reason for failure.

 

[Jville]

Wow ................. while the forum is open to all who come, we do see these contrasting posts between those who possess good command of disappointments and others who are overwhelmed and consumed by their disappointments.

But, I suppose there is some entertainment to be found in that.

What did I say that was not a realistic assessment of disappointments? Grow some balls you sound like a baby.

Once mature natives are run off or consumed, cannibals tend to turn on one another. I suppose there is some solace and irony to be found in that outcome. :229031_shrug:

 

[chris98251]

Wow ................. while the forum is open to all who come, we do see these contrasting posts between those who possess good command of disappointments and others who are overwhelmed and consumed by their disappointments.

But, I suppose there is some entertainment to be found in that.

What did I say that was not a realistic assessment of disappointments? Grow some balls you sound like a baby.

Once mature natives are run off or consumed, cannibals tend to turn on one another. I suppose there is some solace and irony to be found in that outcome. :229031_shrug:

Or eat the mature Native, if the meats tough boil first rather than Bar B Que.