Seatown001
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I think they should just split the award 3 ways, you really can make a case for each guy (if you only judge up until now, after the playoffs maybe one will emerge)
themunn":33gmc9kg said:However I can't agree that it's not possible for a QB to carry a team that was a contender not long before, I'd say Matt Hasselbeck carried our 2007 team that was a superbowl team 2 years prior, and certainly by 2009 was devoid of talent.
pinksheets":20b15qt5 said:Luck shouldn't get extra points because the Colts tanked their season by starting Painter either.Tical21":20b15qt5 said:The colts had an awful roster with manning. It is even far worse now. It shouldnt be held against luck that he had to throw more. The dude put his entire team on his back. Russell didn't. So Russ should have and did have more efficient results.
To me, the best way to determine the winner is to try to picture what the players seasons would have played out like if their roles were reversed. Wilson certainly had the far easier task, i don't think that is debatable. Can somebody answer this question...how many games would the colts have won if wilson was their qb?
If you want to give a guy ROY who had a worse season but had excuses for having it, go ahead, just doesn't seem right to me. "Sure, Luck was worse than the other two, but.....". Don't get that, personally.
Tical21":2k26lgxr said:pinksheets":2k26lgxr said:Luck shouldn't get extra points because the Colts tanked their season by starting Painter either.Tical21":2k26lgxr said:The colts had an awful roster with manning. It is even far worse now. It shouldnt be held against luck that he had to throw more. The dude put his entire team on his back. Russell didn't. So Russ should have and did have more efficient results.
To me, the best way to determine the winner is to try to picture what the players seasons would have played out like if their roles were reversed. Wilson certainly had the far easier task, i don't think that is debatable. Can somebody answer this question...how many games would the colts have won if wilson was their qb?
If you want to give a guy ROY who had a worse season but had excuses for having it, go ahead, just doesn't seem right to me. "Sure, Luck was worse than the other two, but.....". Don't get that, personally.
When did I ever mention anything about the Colts record last year? Player for player, the Colts have one of the 5 worst rosters in the NFL. They had one of the 7-10 worst during most of Manning's career as well. Whoever got that roster to 11 wins is definitely deserving of some kind of award, that's all I'm saying. I don't know what tangent you started going on or why you felt the need to put words in my mouth.
Tech Worlds":1iu35mkh said:seahawks875":1iu35mkh said:Luck has carried his team all year, if u ever watch him play and not just look at his stats, he is the real deal, Wilson is one of the top qbs in the league in my opinion and a lot better than rg3 but luck deserves ROY
how? by throwing interceptions?
seahawks875":kafdtle2 said:U guys are all saying Luck has crappy stats, so he shouldn't get ROY, and he is not is good as RG3 or Wilson. Here are Andrew Luck stats compared to Peyton Mannings rookie stats,
GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
16 339 627 54.1 4,374 6.98 23 70 18 9 65.0 76.5
GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
16 326 575 56.7 3,739 6.50 26 78 28 3 -- 71.2
Above is Luck, below is Manning. Luck is the best QB in this class and deserves ROY.
My top 10 QB's
1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Matt Ryan
5. Drew Brees
6. Andrew Luck
7. Russell Wilson
8. Ben Roethlisberger
9. Eli Manning
10. Tony Romo