"Clayton claims he's "baffled" by Wilson contract talks"

[hawknation2015]

How is that? Do you really think he deserves to be 41st in pay among NFL QB's? There are long snappers making more money for Christ sake!

http://nflspinzone.com/2015/06/23/seatt ... son-no-41/

Any way I heard the segment and read the full text and he sounded all business as usual. You omitted the part where he stated that he would not hold out because that could hurt the team's development.

He should absolutely be a top 3-5 paid QB. No doubt.

I just don't know if the Seahawks feel the same. Russ can say his one word tweets don't have hidden meaning, but I have a tough time buying that. Especially the last one:

Reciprocity.

The offer the team reportedly made to him would have made him the 3rd highest paid player in the league.

And he wants to be #1. No doubt he will get it if he hits free agency or the Hawks try to use a unrestricted franchise tag on him.

Clayton said the team has already offered him at least $21.75 million per year. So we're talking about being less than $250k away from the highest paid in the game.

My theory is the Hawks will offer him #1 money (because there isn't a significant gap) once he comes back down to earth and recognizes what #1 money is. $22 million per year in new money is #1 money.

$27 million APY-- to get to $22 million APY, including this season-- is 123% of what Aaron Rodgers makes per year. It would cripple this team.

It will be funny to see what happens if Wilson refuses to sign an extension and then Luck signs a relatively team-friendly extension for around $22-25 million per year in new money. Wilson's whole argument goes out the window.

 

[Perrin]

If Mark Rodgers is waiting for Andrew Luck to sign first, they're going to have to wait at least 2 years. Indy's MO is to resign their QB after they play out their contract, so with the 5th year option, they don't need to start playing the franchise tag game until 2017.

 

[hawknation2015]

If Mark Rodgers is waiting for Andrew Luck to sign first, they're going to have to wait at least 2 years. Indy's MO is to resign their QB after they play out their contract, so with the 5th year option, they don't need to start playing the franchise tag game until 2017.

Irsay said they would begin negotiating with Luck next off-season. Ideally, they would want to get an extension in place before the season starts -- allowing them to keep Luck's 2016 cap hit low in exchange for a large signing bonus. That is the traditional model.

 

[BadgerVid]

Go Hawks is lame. If it was Go Hawks he'd make a deal. It's more like Go Russ. I hate that I feel that way. He's my favorite Hawk ever. But if Russ wants that last year of the rookie contract torn up like kearly said, he's not about the Hawks. He's about Russell Wilson. And there's nothing wrong with that. But I'm done buying the altruistic Go Hawks line from him if that's the case.

Remember: Favorite Hawk ever. Fan for 25 years. He won me over that quick. But I'm growing tired of the rah rah bit. He wants to get paid. A lot. Now. And if that puts our cap in peril, I think he's good with that.

How is that? Do you really think he deserves to be 41st in pay among NFL QB's? There are long snappers making more money for Christ sake!

http://nflspinzone.com/2015/06/23/seatt ... son-no-41/

Any way I heard the segment and read the full text and he sounded all business as usual. You omitted the part where he stated that he would not hold out because that could hurt the team's development.

He should absolutely be a top 3-5 paid QB. No doubt.

I just don't know if the Seahawks feel the same. Russ can say his one word tweets don't have hidden meaning, but I have a tough time buying that. Especially the last one:

Reciprocity.

The offer the team reportedly made to him would have made him the 3rd highest paid player in the league.

You mean that in '16 it would make him the 3rd highest paid player in '15...by the time he was getting paid that (after playing out '15 at $1.5M) one (at least this one) must seriously doubt it would compare as favorably.

 

[BadgerVid]

Everyone here seems positive that JS & PC will not increase his compensation for '15...including you in the post I quoted.

This is a gross mischaracterization of how NFL extensions typically work. If Wilson agrees to an extension, then he is likely to receive a large signing bonus in the area of $15-30 million this year.

A) "We are going to have to think out of the box on this one" is, I believe very close to what JS had to say about the negotiations.

B) In spite of the opinions here, the Seahawks would not be the first team by far to vacate an old contract and sign a new one to make an important piece happy...and the signing bonuses I mentioned would not be any record for a new contract.

Just sayin'

 

[brimsalabim]

The signing bonus must be the key. Otherwise what are the Hawks offering to pay Russell this season? The link I posted above says 41st QB pay.

 

[hawknation2015]

The signing bonus must be the key. Otherwise what are the Hawks offering to pay Russell this season? The link I posted above says 41st QB pay.

I believe John Clayton reported the Seahawks' offer to be worth $69 million in the first three years, which is more than Newton or Rodgers received in the first three years of their extensions.

That would equate to around $30 million in signing bonus, all of which he could receive this year, plus another $39 million in combined salary in 2016 and 2017. Cap hit in 2016 would be a manageable $7.5 million, while the cap hits in 2016 and 2017 would average out to $25.5 million per year.

The only way you can get to $69 million in new money in the first three years is with a pretty large signing bonus. It might be worth even more than $30 million now that I think about it, which would keep the cap hit a little lower in 2016 and 2017. For example, with a $40 million signing bonus, the cap hits in 2016 and 2017 would average out to only $22.5 million per year. Though I don't think we have room for another $8 million cap hit in 2015 without releasing someone.

For those reasons, I am guessing the signing bonus offer is worth between $30-40 million, per Clayton's figure of $69 million over three years.

 

[UK_Seahawk]

I'm sure if it wasnt for cap issues the Seahawks would happily give RW $30m a year no questions asked but the reality of the situation they have to be mindful of keeping important pieces of the puzzle together.

Personally I think Wilson is being greedy, it makes no sense that the Seahawks would lowball him, their whole ethos is to look after the important players as best they can and then draft / use FA to replace the gaps as cheaply as possible.

It's starting to leave a very sour taste in the mouth and Wilson runs the real risk of proving those who think he is manufactured correct.

No player is worth sacrificing the entire team for.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Wow, I can't believe Kearly is buying into the hype and narrative being set by everyone not in the FO or with no horse in this race not named Russell Wilson or his agent. Really? Hey guys, welcome to the first tier and elite quarterback negotiations.

My advice is much like Frankie in Hollywood's.....RELAX. Andrea is spot on with this guys. August can't come soon enough this offseason is just getting into ridiculous territory. Imagine if Lockette actually caught the ball?

This place might have burned down given how some are acting.

 

[hawknation2015]

Kaepernick specifically asked, "So this structure gives us room to try extensions with my teammates, right?"

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/colin-kaep ... d=24000098

One of the few admirable things I can recall Kaepernick doing was the team friendly, six-year extension he agreed to with the Niners. Although, I do think he went a little too team friendly in terms of the lack of signing bonus and other guarantees. The Niners can essentially cut bait with him any time they want.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Kaepernick specifically asked, "So this structure gives us room to try extensions with my teammates, right?"

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/colin-kaep ... d=24000098

One of the few admirable things I can recall Kaepernick doing was the team friendly, six-year extension he agreed to with the Niners. Although, I do think he went a little too team friendly in terms of the lack of signing bonus and other guarantees. The Niners can essentially cut bait with him any time they want.

Do you think he's elite? Does Marvin? Yeah, I'm confident in saying no. Hence his dumbass contact. Russell Wilson deserves his money so start dealing with it or go back to irrelevance. Simple equation isn't it?

The man is just as good as Andrew Luck and the statistics prove it without argument even going back to college. And he has something Luck has never shown.He wins.No matter the circumstances he wins.

 

[hawknation2015]

Kaepernick specifically asked, "So this structure gives us room to try extensions with my teammates, right?"

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/colin-kaep ... d=24000098

One of the few admirable things I can recall Kaepernick doing was the team friendly, six-year extension he agreed to with the Niners. Although, I do think he went a little too team friendly in terms of the lack of signing bonus and other guarantees. The Niners can essentially cut bait with him any time they want.

Do you think he's elite? Does Marvin? Yeah, I'm confident in saying no. Hence his dumbass contact. Russell Wilson deserves his money so start dealing with it or go back to irrelevance. Simple equation isn't it?

Schneider has a proven track record of rewarding our best players with top money on player friendly, four-year extensions. I am confident he will do everything in his power to make sure Wilson is a Seahawk for the rest of his career.

The question is whether Wilson is being reasonable. After all, this is the first contract the 26 year old has ever negotiation, while Schneider has successfully signed hundreds of players, paying top money to Sherman and Thomas just last year.

More worrisome is the fact that this is also the first major NFL deal his agent has negotiated, and he's negotiating this massive deal despite delegating the task to someone else three years ago because he felt he was too inexperienced in NFL contracts.

Even more worrisome is that Wilson considers this agent a "father figure," according to the agent. That is an outsized amount of influence over a client by someone who does not have the experience in dealing with these industry standards.

I do think Wilson will very soon receive an offer from Schneider that makes him the highest paid player in the NFL. But I question whether he, with the guidance of his agent, will evaluate that offer in a reasonable way with some consideration toward maintaining cap flexibility, so that we can continue competing every year at a championship level, with Wilson leading this offense.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Kaepernick specifically asked, "So this structure gives us room to try extensions with my teammates, right?"

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/colin-kaep ... d=24000098

One of the few admirable things I can recall Kaepernick doing was the team friendly, six-year extension he agreed to with the Niners. Although, I do think he went a little too team friendly in terms of the lack of signing bonus and other guarantees. The Niners can essentially cut bait with him any time they want.

Do you think he's elite? Does Marvin? Yeah, I'm confident in saying no. Hence his dumbass contact. Russell Wilson deserves his money so start dealing with it or go back to irrelevance. Simple equation isn't it?

Schneider has a proven track record of rewarding our best players with top money on player friendly, four-year extensions. I am confident he will do everything in his power to make sure Wilson is a Seahawk for the rest of his career.

The question is whether Wilson is being reasonable. After all, this is the first contract the 26 year old has ever negotiation, while Schneider has successfully signed hundreds of players, paying top money to Sherman and Thomas just last year.

More worrisome is the fact that this is also the first major NFL deal his agent has negotiated, and he's negotiating this massive deal despite delegating the task to someone else three years ago because he felt he was too inexperienced in NFL contracts.

Even more worrisome is that Wilson considers this agent a "father figure," according to the agent. That is an outsized amount of influence over a client by someone who does not have the experience in dealing with these industry standards.

I do think Wilson will very soon receive an offer from Schneider that makes him the highest paid player in the NFL. But I question whether he, with the guidance of his agent, will evaluate that offer in a reasonable way with some consideration toward maintaining cap flexibility, so that we can continue competing every year at a championship level, with Wilson leading this offense.

I agree with your assessment. Call me optimistic but I believe Wilson is in charge and not his agent. He wants to be here and he'll get his money.

 

[joeseahawks]

Maybe RW's value is $20+ millions in the NFL, but to this team I don't think his value is $20+millions per year.
If we are going to pay ML, Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman, Kam Chancellor, Bobby Wagner, Bennett and also pay our TE big money, there is simply no $20millions left to pay RW. Isn't that simple math?
I love RW. He has been a blessing to our Franchise, but so have the guys mentioned above. Beast Mode has rescued us so many times. Our Defense has been fantastic in so many games, ...
Our success has been the result of all these pieces together .... If RW can't see it, then too bad for him. We shall move on.

 

[Popeyejones]

Kaepernick specifically asked, "So this structure gives us room to try extensions with my teammates, right?"

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/colin-kaep ... d=24000098

One of the few admirable things I can recall Kaepernick doing was the team friendly, six-year extension he agreed to with the Niners. Although, I do think he went a little too team friendly in terms of the lack of signing bonus and other guarantees. The Niners can essentially cut bait with him any time they want.

Do you think he's elite? Does Marvin? Yeah, I'm confident in saying no. .

That doesn't really matter that much though, as AT THE TIME everyone was pretty shocked that Kaepernick signed that deal, because they assumed he was just BSing --like everyone else --about all the "team friendly" stuff he was saying.

As for him not progressing from that point, the interesting wrinkle of the contract is that the possibility of that happening was built into the contract to bring in more bodies to help the team. When you look at Kaepernick's numbers, you have to factor in that each year is actually 2 million less than it looks like if he doesn't go to the pro-bowl or the 9ers don't go to the Super Bowl. It's designed that way so that if Kaepernick has a plateu year andthe team goes 8-8 or something, they have freed up cap room to bring in someone like Torrey Smith or something. :th2thumbs:

In any case, count me as among the surprised that Kaepernick actually put his money where his mouth is, as I don't think it's a reasonable expectation for anyone to actually do that in these types of situations. Or put more simply, I think criticizing Wilson for wanting to get paid misses the mark. He's already been massively screwed over by the NFL's contract rules, and that he now has the opportunity to not get massively screwed over and is trying to take it doesn't make him a bad person, it makes him human.

 

[onanygivensunday]

The longer this goes on, the more uncomfortable I become... and leads me to believe that Russell is being unreasonable with his demands... whatever they are.

I don't like his posturing that he's "moved on before"... if those are his words, exactly... not sure.

 

[WilsonMVP]

I'm sure if it wasnt for cap issues the Seahawks would happily give RW $30m a year no questions asked but the reality of the situation they have to be mindful of keeping important pieces of the puzzle together.

Personally I think Wilson is being greedy, it makes no sense that the Seahawks would lowball him, their whole ethos is to look after the important players as best they can and then draft / use FA to replace the gaps as cheaply as possible.

It's starting to leave a very sour taste in the mouth and Wilson runs the real risk of proving those who think he is manufactured correct.

No player is worth sacrificing the entire team for.

As much as I like Wilson it is kind of weird that out of all our superstars hes the one being stingy about his contract. Sherman, Kam and Earl all signed pretty fair market value contracts IMO. Even Bennet signed what I thought was a cheaper contract then what I thought he should of would of gotten on the open Market. I get that Wilson hasnt been paid at all his first 3 years really, at least from his contract, im sure he got paid alot in advertisements and what not though.

It might be best to just let him play out his rookie contract and see how he does with Graham, Tyler Lockette and hopefully way less injuries and having a consistent Oline. If he has a breakout year its not like we will have to pay him much more than he would allready make. If he stays the same or worse then honestly.....maybe it would be time to move on.

I just wish this drama would be over. I still dont think his contract would put us in that much cap hell though. Our WRs are getting paid nothing. Just briefly looking at the lions cap they are paying almost 40 million in cap next year just between Stafford and Calvin Johnson. If Wilson made 20 million this year we could pay Wilson and the rest of the QBs, ALL of our WRs and ALL of our TEs with that 40 million in CAP

Heck according to Spotrac, on offense only 3 players are making over 5 million a year. That would be Lynch, Graham and Okung. Baldwin is sitting right before 5 mil and then the next after him is Kearse with 2.3 million. they have our offense only taking up 31% of the cap.

Compare that to our defense..We have 6 guys making over 5mil. Wright and Williams are right behind that too.

 

[Ozzy]

He's not being a dick and this is how big quarterback contracts usually play out, its just a part of the business. I personally think there is almost zero chance of him NOT signing a big long term contract in Seattle. If Seattle lets him walk they are stupid. Just ask the multiple franchises who have gone decades trying to find a decent QB. He will get paid and he will be in Seattle. I think the time its taking has people growing tired(understandable) and believing some of the BS that gets pushed in these situations.

Moving on from RW would be a catastrophic decision in my opinion.

 

[Popeyejones]

If he stays the same or worse then honestly.....maybe it would be time to move on.

Username/post combo.

 

[WilsonMVP]

If he stays the same or worse then honestly.....maybe it would be time to move on.

Username/post combo.

I know...but if he doesnt improve with having Graham and more help around him..then honestly...can we realistically give him 23+ mil or so a year. Hes good...very good...and my favorite player but this year is truly a prove it year for him since he FINALLY has a legit weapon in Graham and I believe Tyler L will have a huge impact too. Also once healthy I am looking forward to having Prich back. He seemed to be getting really good towards the end of the year.