"Clayton claims he's "baffled" by Wilson contract talks"

[theincrediblesok]

Russell won't hold out it's more likely that the respect factor will go into play if he and the Seahawks can't get a long term deal going, they will use a non-exclusive tag on him. Like most say he can test out the market that way and see what the driving price is. I would love for him to stay here for the rest of his career but also understand the business side of things. I still have a feeling they will get things done.

 

[kearly]

2. Wilson wants the Seahawks to completely tear up the last year of his current contract and start with 20+ million APY THIS year (and that would be a cap disaster). Not only that, but virtually no NFL team does that for anyone. You tack onto existing contracts for cap relief if nothing else (even Rodgers did this).

Wilson and his agent aren't dingbats, they know that if they tried to play that card, the FO could just give them the finger and wait until 2016 to reopen talks (after paying Wilson 1.5 million in 2015) and that would be that. And if they really were asking for such a thing, it's basically impossible with Seattle's current cap space, and they'd know that, so asking for it would just be their polite way of saying "we would rather sign a deal next year right after Andrew Luck signs his megadeal."

It's really obvious to me that Wilson's agent is insistent on signing Wilson after Luck gets his deal, and since Luck won't get a deal until next year...

Luck's signing is going to blow QB money out of the water. It seems to have been forgotten in this thread, but many GMs around the league predicted that Wilson would get $25 million AYP on his deal mainly because that's what Luck would have gotten. Luck has been pushed a year back, but that doesn't mean that Wilson should just settle for ~$21 million right now when he knows he can get 20% more than that by waiting one year.

 

[Rob12]

Russell is clearly pissed off.

Personally, I think he gets dealt or we let him walk after 2015. Bad blood is being created. Anyone hear him on The Fan in Raleigh yesterday? He's not the least bit pleased.

Don't blast me. I hope like hell I am wrong. But this whole thing has soured me. Lifetime Seattle Sports Fan Syndrome and all of that.

If Russ wants to put himself above the other 52, I'm good with letting him walk. First and probably only time I'll ever say that.

 

[hawknation2015]

Russell is clearly pissed off.

Personally, I think he gets dealt or we let him walk after 2015. Bad blood is being created. Anyone here him on The Fan in Raleigh yesterday? He's not the least bit pleased.

Please tell me you are joking, LOL.

Russell was his usual diplomatic self in the interview, said "Go Hawks!," and reiterated that he has a good thing going here and hopes it works out.

 

[Rob12]

Russell is clearly pissed off.

Personally, I think he gets dealt or we let him walk after 2015. Bad blood is being created. Anyone here him on The Fan in Raleigh yesterday? He's not the least bit pleased.

Please tell me you are joking, LOL.

Russell was his usual diplomatic self in the interview, said "Go Hawks!," and reiterated that he has a good thing going here and hopes it works out.

Guess our viewpoints are different. I personally believe, after listening to him on more than one occasion, that he is preparing for life elsewhere. If you're buying robotic Russ, I truly feel sorry for you. He's not pleased with the FO of the Seahawks right now.

 

[Rob12]

Russell is clearly pissed off.

Personally, I think he gets dealt or we let him walk after 2015. Bad blood is being created. Anyone here him on The Fan in Raleigh yesterday? He's not the least bit pleased.

Please tell me you are joking, LOL.

Russell was his usual diplomatic self in the interview, said "Go Hawks!," and reiterated that he has a good thing going here and hopes it works out.

Go Hawks is lame. If it was Go Hawks he'd make a deal. It's more like Go Russ. I hate that I feel that way. He's my favorite Hawk ever. But if Russ wants that last year of the rookie contract torn up like kearly said, he's not about the Hawks. He's about Russell Wilson. And there's nothing wrong with that. But I'm done buying the altruistic Go Hawks line from him if that's the case.

Remember: Favorite Hawk ever. Fan for 25 years. He won me over that quick. But I'm growing tired of the rah rah bit. He wants to get paid. A lot. Now. And if that puts our cap in peril, I think he's good with that.

 

[Rob12]

The more time passes, the more I think he plays out his rookie deal. He'll get tagged twice, and that'll be that. The Seahawks will be getting just a bit long in the tooth by then and they'll start the process over. Our coach is an egomaniac, as is our GM, and they believe in their ability to scout, draft, plug, and scheme.

I'm not thinking clearly right now. Clearly. But it wouldn't surprise me. Big Balls Pete: He's a college guy. Four year stretches then in comes the new talent. He's not being handicapped by anyone's cap number. Not now, not later.

 

[Popeyejones]

There are four QB needy teams that could give Seattle a run for Russell next year if he is given the nonexclusive franchise tag. The niners, rams, chiefs and broncos all could easily have more cap space than the Seahawks and all of them will need a QB soon or already need one.

:lol: :lol: at the Chiefs or 9ers being possible destinations for him next year. The Chiefs are going to give up two firsts, take on 25 million in dead money, and pay an extra 8 million per year to have Wilson over Alex Smith? And the 9ers are going to give up two firsts, take on 7 million of dead money and pay an extra 6 million per year on the QB position to have Wilson over Kaepernick? It's simply not happening.

Before saying the following I want to be clear that I think Wilson is the best QB of the three (please read that again), but unless you're enamored by Wilson's unrepeatable rushing stats from last year, we're talking about three players who all completed 60-65% of their passes, all threw for between 3265 and 3475 yards, and all had between 19 and 20 TD passes and 6 and 10 INTS. Wilson isn't even leading in half of these categories, and had a much better team around him.

All things being equal I think he's the best of the three players, but so far, he hasn't shown enough for either of those teams to take on the additional salary for him, let alone also give up two first round picks and take on a ton of dead money. TBF, and not to twist a knife or anything, I don't think crapping the bed in the NFCC and SB really helps his cause either.

The Rams and Broncos I could definitely see, but I'd put in the Bills, Browns, Cardinals, Jags, Texans, Jets, Raiders, Eagles, Chargers, and Redskins ALL on this list before the 9ers or Chiefs.

 

[BadgerVid]

2. Wilson wants the Seahawks to completely tear up the last year of his current contract and start with 20+ million APY THIS year (and that would be a cap disaster). Not only that, but virtually no NFL team does that for anyone. You tack onto existing contracts for cap relief if nothing else (even Rodgers did this).

A reasonably structured combo of a $40M-$50M signing bonus amortized over 5 years and low salaries the first few years would put off $20M+ cap hits for 2-3 years and be much more cap friendly with a steadily rising cap than tagging...which would result in $20M+ cap hit in '16 and edging toward $30M in '17.

 

[Polaris]

2. Wilson wants the Seahawks to completely tear up the last year of his current contract and start with 20+ million APY THIS year (and that would be a cap disaster). Not only that, but virtually no NFL team does that for anyone. You tack onto existing contracts for cap relief if nothing else (even Rodgers did this).

A reasonably structured combo of a $40M-$50M signing bonus amortized over 5 years and low salaries the first few years would put off $20M+ cap hits for 2-3 years and be much more cap friendly with a steadily rising cap than tagging...which would result in $20M+ cap hit in '16 and edging toward $30M in '17.

In which case he should take what's on the table. No, I'm afraid it's pretty clear that either Wilson or Rodgers (or both) want to completely rewrite how the NFL does contract on baseball lines and Seattle's cap room be damned.

 

[brimsalabim]

Russell is clearly pissed off.

Personally, I think he gets dealt or we let him walk after 2015. Bad blood is being created. Anyone here him on The Fan in Raleigh yesterday? He's not the least bit pleased.

Please tell me you are joking, LOL.

Russell was his usual diplomatic self in the interview, said "Go Hawks!," and reiterated that he has a good thing going here and hopes it works out.

Go Hawks is lame. If it was Go Hawks he'd make a deal. It's more like Go Russ. I hate that I feel that way. He's my favorite Hawk ever. But if Russ wants that last year of the rookie contract torn up like kearly said, he's not about the Hawks. He's about Russell Wilson. And there's nothing wrong with that. But I'm done buying the altruistic Go Hawks line from him if that's the case.

Remember: Favorite Hawk ever. Fan for 25 years. He won me over that quick. But I'm growing tired of the rah rah bit. He wants to get paid. A lot. Now. And if that puts our cap in peril, I think he's good with that.

How is that? Do you really think he deserves to be 41st in pay among NFL QB's? There are long snappers making more money for Christ sake!

http://nflspinzone.com/2015/06/23/seatt ... son-no-41/

Any way I heard the segment and read the full text and he sounded all business as usual. You omitted the part where he stated that he would not hold out because that could hurt the team's development.

 

[brimsalabim]

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The more time passes, the more I think he plays out his rookie deal. He'll get tagged twice, and that'll be that. The Seahawks will be getting just a bit long in the tooth by then and they'll start the process over. Our coach is an egomaniac, as is our GM, and they believe in their ability to scout, draft, plug, and scheme.

I'm not thinking clearly right now. Clearly. But it wouldn't surprise me. Big Balls Pete: He's a college guy. Four year stretches then in comes the new talent. He's not being handicapped by anyone's cap number. Not now, not later.

Pete might want to ask this former coach how that line of thinking works out...

 

[rideaducati]

There are four QB needy teams that could give Seattle a run for Russell next year if he is given the nonexcluse franchise tag. The niners, rams, chiefs and broncos all could easily have more cap space than the Seahawks and all of them will need a QB soon or already need one.

:lol: :lol: at the Chiefs or 9ers being possible destinations for him next year. The Chiefs are going to give up two firsts, take on 25 million in dead money, and pay an extra 8 million per year to have Wilson over Alex Smith? And the 9ers are going to give up two firsts, take on 7 million of dead money and pay an extra 6 million per year on the QB position to have Wilson over Kaepernick? It's simply not happening.

Before saying the following I want to be clear that I think Wilson is the best QB of the three (please read that again), but unless you're enamored by Wilson's unrepeatable rushing stats from last year, we're talking about three players who all completed 60-65% of their passes, all threw for between 3265 and 3475 yards, and all had between 19 and 20 TD passes and 6 and 10 INTS. Wilson isn't even leading in half of these categories, and had a much better team around him.

All things being equal I think he's the best of the three players, but so far, he hasn't shown enough for either of those teams to take on the additional salary for him, let alone also give up two first round picks and take on a ton of dead money. TBF, and not to twist a knife or anything, I don't think crapping the bed in the NFCC and SB really helps his cause either.

The Rams and Broncos I could definitely see, but I'd put in the Bills, Browns, Cardinals, Jags, Texans, Jets, Raiders, Eagles, Chargers, and Redskins ALL on this list before the 9ers or Chiefs.

I didn't include those other teams because they can't realistically get to where they could offer more than the Seahawks without getting rid of a lot of quality players. The niners and chiefs are the teams that just don't know that they need a QB yet, although they both have their suspicions.

 

[Popeyejones]

^^^ Which is why they would be trying to structure deals not that Seattle couldn't match, but that Seattle wouldn't match.

IMO that's MUCH more likely than a team like the Chiefs giving away two firsts, paying a ton more for Wilson and taking on 25 million in dead cap money for the upgrade from Smith to Wilson. I just don't think the Chiefs are that stupid.

 

[BadgerVid]

2. Wilson wants the Seahawks to completely tear up the last year of his current contract and start with 20+ million APY THIS year (and that would be a cap disaster). Not only that, but virtually no NFL team does that for anyone. You tack onto existing contracts for cap relief if nothing else (even Rodgers did this).

A reasonably structured combo of a $40M-$50M signing bonus amortized over 5 years and low salaries the first few years would put off $20M+ cap hits for 2-3 years and be much more cap friendly with a steadily rising cap than tagging...which would result in $20M+ cap hit in '16 and edging toward $30M in '17.

In which case he should take what's on the table. No, I'm afraid it's pretty clear that either Wilson or Rodgers (or both) want to completely rewrite how the NFL does contract on baseball lines and Seattle's cap room be damned.

What does "what's on the table" relate to what I suggested? And what convinces you that they want to "rewrite how the NFL does contract(s)"? It seems to me the only people who believe that are those who are locked into blindly approving whatever Seahawks management does...

Do you really think that type of deal I mentioned is on the table and being rejected?

Everyone here seems positive that JS & PC will not increase his compensation for '15...including you in the post I quoted.

Or do you mean he should just take whatever the team offers rather than try to get what he is worth?

As it sits, I guess msot here feel it fitting that, for the first time in his career with the 'Hawks, in '15 Russ will make more than his backup...by about $15K per game.

 

[Popeyejones]

^^^^ The NFL would have never gone for it, but it's a great example for why rookie deals should be able to be renegotiated after year two instead of year three.

 

[hawknation2015]

Everyone here seems positive that JS & PC will not increase his compensation for '15...including you in the post I quoted.

This is a gross mischaracterization of how NFL extensions typically work. If Wilson agrees to an extension, then he is likely to receive a large signing bonus in the area of $15-30 million this year.

 

[Rob12]

Russell is clearly pissed off.

Personally, I think he gets dealt or we let him walk after 2015. Bad blood is being created. Anyone here him on The Fan in Raleigh yesterday? He's not the least bit pleased.

Please tell me you are joking, LOL.

Russell was his usual diplomatic self in the interview, said "Go Hawks!," and reiterated that he has a good thing going here and hopes it works out.

Go Hawks is lame. If it was Go Hawks he'd make a deal. It's more like Go Russ. I hate that I feel that way. He's my favorite Hawk ever. But if Russ wants that last year of the rookie contract torn up like kearly said, he's not about the Hawks. He's about Russell Wilson. And there's nothing wrong with that. But I'm done buying the altruistic Go Hawks line from him if that's the case.

Remember: Favorite Hawk ever. Fan for 25 years. He won me over that quick. But I'm growing tired of the rah rah bit. He wants to get paid. A lot. Now. And if that puts our cap in peril, I think he's good with that.

How is that? Do you really think he deserves to be 41st in pay among NFL QB's? There are long snappers making more money for Christ sake!

http://nflspinzone.com/2015/06/23/seatt ... son-no-41/

Any way I heard the segment and read the full text and he sounded all business as usual. You omitted the part where he stated that he would not hold out because that could hurt the team's development.

He should absolutely be a top 3-5 paid QB. No doubt.

I just don't know if the Seahawks feel the same. Russ can say his one word tweets don't have hidden meaning, but I have a tough time buying that. Especially the last one:

Reciprocity.

 

[hawknation2015]

Go Hawks is lame. If it was Go Hawks he'd make a deal. It's more like Go Russ. I hate that I feel that way. He's my favorite Hawk ever. But if Russ wants that last year of the rookie contract torn up like kearly said, he's not about the Hawks. He's about Russell Wilson. And there's nothing wrong with that. But I'm done buying the altruistic Go Hawks line from him if that's the case.

Remember: Favorite Hawk ever. Fan for 25 years. He won me over that quick. But I'm growing tired of the rah rah bit. He wants to get paid. A lot. Now. And if that puts our cap in peril, I think he's good with that.

How is that? Do you really think he deserves to be 41st in pay among NFL QB's? There are long snappers making more money for Christ sake!

http://nflspinzone.com/2015/06/23/seatt ... son-no-41/

Any way I heard the segment and read the full text and he sounded all business as usual. You omitted the part where he stated that he would not hold out because that could hurt the team's development.

He should absolutely be a top 3-5 paid QB. No doubt.

I just don't know if the Seahawks feel the same. Russ can say his one word tweets don't have hidden meaning, but I have a tough time buying that. Especially the last one:

Reciprocity.

The offer the team reportedly made to him would have made him the 3rd highest paid player in the league.

 

[QuickLightning]

Go Hawks is lame. If it was Go Hawks he'd make a deal. It's more like Go Russ. I hate that I feel that way. He's my favorite Hawk ever. But if Russ wants that last year of the rookie contract torn up like kearly said, he's not about the Hawks. He's about Russell Wilson. And there's nothing wrong with that. But I'm done buying the altruistic Go Hawks line from him if that's the case.

Remember: Favorite Hawk ever. Fan for 25 years. He won me over that quick. But I'm growing tired of the rah rah bit. He wants to get paid. A lot. Now. And if that puts our cap in peril, I think he's good with that.

How is that? Do you really think he deserves to be 41st in pay among NFL QB's? There are long snappers making more money for Christ sake!

http://nflspinzone.com/2015/06/23/seatt ... son-no-41/

Any way I heard the segment and read the full text and he sounded all business as usual. You omitted the part where he stated that he would not hold out because that could hurt the team's development.

He should absolutely be a top 3-5 paid QB. No doubt.

I just don't know if the Seahawks feel the same. Russ can say his one word tweets don't have hidden meaning, but I have a tough time buying that. Especially the last one:

Reciprocity.

The offer the team reportedly made to him would have made him the 3rd highest paid player in the league.

And he wants to be #1. No doubt he will get it if he hits free agency or the Hawks try to use a unrestricted franchise tag on him.